ANZ Stadium Rebuild Cancelled

[Cultured_Bogan]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

It's cavernous and plastic experience when there's 15K there. When there's 88K Australians and Koreans there watching Australia and South Korea the Asian Cup final it's a phenomenal experience.

Agreed mate, but that is my point, I love going to State of Origin at ANZ, its a great experience. For use by the Wests Tigers for club games though, it is grossly inappropriate to meet our needs.

Maybe cheaper ticketing might encourage casual fans to get out there. If we could regularly get 40K out there, it would be certainly a good option, especially if it did wind up becoming a rectangular stadium.

N.B. I don't believe we could regularly get 40K out there unless perhaps we were consistently premiership favourites, it's just a thought.

 

[cochise]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

It's cavernous and plastic experience when there's 15K there. When there's 88K Australians and Koreans there watching Australia and South Korea the Asian Cup final it's a phenomenal experience.

Agreed mate, but that is my point, I love going to State of Origin at ANZ, its a great experience. For use by the Wests Tigers for club games though, it is grossly inappropriate to meet our needs.

Maybe cheaper ticketing might encourage casual fans to get out there. If we could regularly get 40K out there, it would be certainly a good option, especially if it did wind up becoming a rectangular stadium.

I'm not disagreeing with that, and hopefully the light rail will make a difference as well. I want to attend ANZ, just wish the only time I had to go there was for SOO or Wests Tigers Finals and Garand Finals lol

 

[mike]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

 

[jirskyr]

I would think the biggest argument against a boutique stadium at Homebush is the fact that there is an 80K stadium next door. How could you possibly justify that? Is there literally anywhere in the world an 75K+ stadium next door to a 20K stadium that both host the same sport?

That is literally what happened with the AFL getting the showground redeveloped for them, if the Giants start getting any support they will be playing their finals matches at ANZ. The AFL already opposed the redevelopment of ANZ stating they would use it if the Giants hosted the Swans for a finals clash. So you didn't have to look all over the world for your example, you didn't even need to leave the same sporting precinct we were discussing.

They don't play AFL at ANZ any more and the government was turning ANZ into a rectangle-only stadium. So it's not the same thing. The AFL showground got redev. because AFL were abandoning ANZ in favour of a smaller venue.

And the govt are not going to hold ANZ for potential oval games in order to host a theoretical Giants/Swans finals clash, the odds of that being a regular occurrence are small.

Where in the world are there two grounds next door to each other, both over 20K, that host the same events? There might be one, I'd be curious to know where it is and why. It makes no sense to me.

Yes and the NRL should abandon ANZ for club matches, it is farcical that the game continues to use the ground for nything other than big events. ANZ is only appropriate as and events stadium, it is horrible for anything else.

Well if that's what the NRL does, then fine, a boutique stadium in Homebush as replacement is fine.

PVL is arguing to spend the same ANZ money on 4 x $200M stadia. I was of the understanding the NSW Govt wanted to reclaim the ANZ money post-COVID, not redistribute it on more stadiums in other locations. I expect PVL himself has never been a fan of the ANZ plan and this is his opportunity to push his preference. NRL has the govt in a weak spot as they want to retain the Grand Final and Origins and they've reneged on the 2019 Stadium agreement.

Personally if you are going to spend the $800M anyway, I say do ANZ properly. Knock down rebuild if you have to, but make it a 60-70K capacity rectangular stadium, or make it expandable to 80K if there is some mechanism to do that. Sydney needs a stadium of that size and Sydney's prime sporting code is NRL, so it doesn't make sense that you don't try and play club games at ANZ.

For the record I quite like ANZ and the Homebush situation, and it's going to get both the Parra Metro and the Parra LR link by the end of the decade. Makes sense to double-down on the venue, but all ANZ needs is rectangular repurposing. Roof too if they can afford it.

 

[cochise]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

 

[cochise]

I would think the biggest argument against a boutique stadium at Homebush is the fact that there is an 80K stadium next door. How could you possibly justify that? Is there literally anywhere in the world an 75K+ stadium next door to a 20K stadium that both host the same sport?

That is literally what happened with the AFL getting the showground redeveloped for them, if the Giants start getting any support they will be playing their finals matches at ANZ. The AFL already opposed the redevelopment of ANZ stating they would use it if the Giants hosted the Swans for a finals clash. So you didn't have to look all over the world for your example, you didn't even need to leave the same sporting precinct we were discussing.

They don't play AFL at ANZ any more and the government was turning ANZ into a rectangle-only stadium. So it's not the same thing. The AFL showground got redev. because AFL were abandoning ANZ in favour of a smaller venue.

And the govt are not going to hold ANZ for potential oval games in order to host a theoretical Giants/Swans finals clash, the odds of that being a regular occurrence are small.

Where in the world are there two grounds next door to each other, both over 20K, that host the same events? There might be one, I'd be curious to know where it is and why. It makes no sense to me.

Yes and the NRL should abandon ANZ for club matches, it is farcical that the game continues to use the ground for nything other than big events. ANZ is only appropriate as and events stadium, it is horrible for anything else.

Well if that's what the NRL does, then fine, a boutique stadium in Homebush as replacement is fine.

PVL is arguing to spend the same ANZ money on 4 x $200M stadia. I was of the understanding the NSW Govt wanted to reclaim the ANZ money post-COVID, not redistribute it on more stadiums in other locations. I expect PVL himself has never been a fan of the ANZ plan and this is his opportunity to push his preference. NRL has the govt in a weak spot as they want to retain the Grand Final and Origins and they've reneged on the 2019 Stadium agreement.

Personally if you are going to spend the $800M anyway, I say do ANZ properly. Knock down rebuild if you have to, but make it a 60-70K capacity rectangular stadium, or make it expandable to 80K if there is some mechanism to do that. Sydney needs a stadium of that size and Sydney's prime sporting code is NRL, so it doesn't make sense that you don't try and play club games at ANZ.

For the record I quite like ANZ and the Homebush situation, and it's going to get both the Parra Metro and the Parra LR link by the end of the decade. Makes sense to double-down on the venue, but all ANZ needs is rectangular repurposing. Roof too if they can afford it.

Agree with that fully mate, I could cop and would properly love ANZ if it got a massive refurb or rebuild that made it a proper rectangular stadium with 70-80k seats but with a proper club mode to enable it to be used appropriately for club games.

As it is now it is totally unfit for NRL club games, that is all I am trying to say and would prefer us to use a ground that s fit for the purpose we require.

 

[mike]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

No, it’s based on your opinion, logic and practically has nothing to do with it. It’s just the vibe you don’t like. Again we get it.

 

[cochise]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

No, it’s based on your opinion, logic and practically has nothing to do with it. It’s just the vibe you don’t like. Again we get it.

Nothing to do with the vibe, this is not the castle, I don't operate on the vibe of things. It is based on the fact that an 80000 seat stadium is unfit for the use of a sporting team that averages 17000, it is not even close to being an appropriate choice. Any of the other arguments are just extra that the stadium can't do that others can and are just fluff. The only argument that matter is it is inappropriate for our primary use.

No vibe, no fluff, no emotion, no mistruths, just facts 80k seats is unfit for a 17k average. It is laughable to suggest otherwise.

 

[gallagher]

Whoever said LO/CSS for the out of town opposition home games and ANZ/BankWest for the Sydney opposition home games I think has it right with the grounds in their current state and configurations. I think this maximises the revenue for the club and minimises any losses.

100 of millions of $$ need to be spent Leichhardt and/or Campbelltown to rebuild them to modern accepted standards if that is to ever change. I just cannot see one home ground being practical in the next 5-10 years. With ANZ revamp not going ahead it’s probably going to stay the way it is, multiple home grounds for a very long time.

VLandys is pushing for 100s of millions for knock down and rebuilds for up to 4 stadiums.

Gladys will not wear that for a bit extra you do ANZ..

Well her govt entered an agreement with the NRL to spend that amount. I'd be backing VLandys on that fight.
A 20k stadium as Homebush would suit 3 clubs, I wonder it that's a possibility.

That is the best idea I've heard - not sure on space out their for another stadium but def a great idea. Only 2 issues I see is that Bankwest is only 15 minutes away from Olympic park so seems wierd to have 2 top stadiums so close but it always has seemed weird I guess and the other being is their somewhere to put it in the complex

However i really think thats a brilliant idea in what is meant to be a precinct.

A second 20K stadium at Homebush and leave the 80K one standing? What justification for that? Haven't they still got that little Showgrounds Stadium at Homebush, that Doggies played out of for a few seasons?

The Showground was redeveloped for the GWS Giants, it is now a boutique AFL ground right next to an 80k seat oval stadium. If AFL can have a boutique stadium literally 200 mtrs from ANZ there is no reason Rugby League can't have one in the same precinct. The biggest argument against a boutique stadium at Olympic Park is the proximity to Bankwest and in all honesty it is probably a killer to the idea.

I would think the biggest argument against a boutique stadium at Homebush is the fact that there is an 80K stadium next door. How could you possibly justify that? Is there literally anywhere in the world an 75K+ stadium next door to a 20K stadium that both host the same sport?

AFL don't play games at ANZ anymore, they let the contract lapse in 2016. Swans don't want to play away from SCG anymore since AFL crowds at ANZ fell consistently between 2002 and 2016.

The NSW Govt acknowledged ANZ's primary current purpose when originally deciding to permanently reconfigure ANZ into a truly rectangular field. It can do this and still host top-tier rugby, soccer and concerts.

Just because it may not happen anywhere else doesn't mean it's a bad idea. That was a reason people where saying why the NRL couldn't restart last week.
The MCG and Docklands are only 5kms apart, does that make sense?

It does for Melbourne. I believe they are actually closer than 5 km apart, only about 3.5 as crow flies.

I have no trouble with a second stadium ~5 kms from Homebush. ANZ and Bankwest are only 7 km apart.

5 klms would be ok but not next door? Splitting hairs there. WA cricket uses both the WACA and Optus and they are 1.3kms walking distance apart. It makes sense.

 

[mike]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

No, it’s based on your opinion, logic and practically has nothing to do with it. It’s just the vibe you don’t like. Again we get it.

Nothing to do with the vibe, this is not the castle, I don't operate on the vibe of things. It is based on the fact that an 80000 seat stadium is unfit for the use of a sporting team that averages 17000, it is not even close to being an appropriate choice. Any of the other arguments are just extra that the stadium can't do that others can and are just fluff. The only argument that matter is it is inappropriate for our primary use.

No vibe, no fluff, no emotion, no mistruths, just facts 80k seats is unfit for a 17k average. It is laughable to suggest otherwise.

Then I’m laughable because I would certainly suggest otherwise. It’s a great ground with awesome facilities. The point is mute though because under the current circumstances ANZ won’t be our home ground.

 

[happy_tiger]

Even the NRL promoted Bankwest as the Eels new stadium. I haven't been there myself, it looks an amazing stadium on the tv, but how can it be our home if it belongs to the Eels?

I know some stadiums are shared, ANZ for example, and that works fine. But when for Bankwest they talked about naming the stands after famous Eels players and whatnot, and talking about the Eels new stadium, well that's not sharing. I hate what Parra have become in recent years, I certainly do not want to be doing them any favours. I believe we could share with them, but I don't want to be a guest in their stadium.

JD JD settle down have you been to BankWest ? There are no club markings on game day for any other club that is not playing . Parra put up reusable signs on differing standards then remove them a bit like the Burrow !
Actually the ground looks like a permanent Tigers stadium as the colours of BankWest which is everywhere are the same as the tigers (orange) go figure!

I'm calm buddy, sorry if I sounded like I wasn't. Thanks Snake, no I haven't been there, I don't live in Sydney, and family commitments have made it next to impossible for me to get up to Sydney for the footy these past few years.

I'm glad the Parra reusable signs aren't up for the games other teams play there. That wouldn't be fair at all, and I hope other teams do their own version of the reusable signs.

My only experience with Bankwest, is through the television, and how it was showcased last year as this awesome new stadium, in Parramatta, which the Eels, Wests Tigers and Bulldogs (I think it was) are playing some home games there. I got the impression that Parramatta definitely claimed it as their own. I guess it is, technically though jointly.

Perhaps when we have some success there, it will seem more like ours as well?

I honestly don't care what the eels claim, I drive over the harbour bridge everyday, but that doesn't make it anymore mine than the thousands of other people who do the same. I can't just claim it.

Don't worry ...the signs in Gladstone have me living in Cowboys country and we are around 900 kms away from Townsville lol

lol, I'm in the heart of Panthers territory. Please don't tell anyone but I regularly go to Panthers for dinner, I even go there for out of Sydney Wests Tigers games, I guess that makes me some kind of closet Panthers supporter.

I promise I won't tell anyone on the Forum

Anyone else though it's fair game

 

[cochise]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

No, it’s based on your opinion, logic and practically has nothing to do with it. It’s just the vibe you don’t like. Again we get it.

Nothing to do with the vibe, this is not the castle, I don't operate on the vibe of things. It is based on the fact that an 80000 seat stadium is unfit for the use of a sporting team that averages 17000, it is not even close to being an appropriate choice. Any of the other arguments are just extra that the stadium can't do that others can and are just fluff. The only argument that matter is it is inappropriate for our primary use.

No vibe, no fluff, no emotion, no mistruths, just facts 80k seats is unfit for a 17k average. It is laughable to suggest otherwise.

Then I’m laughable because I would certainly suggest otherwise. It’s a great ground with awesome facilities. The point is mute though because under the current circumstances ANZ won’t be our home ground.

Such great facilities they provide 4 seats for each person who attends our home games there. That is right, each person that attends can have 4 seats. How is that not laughable? It makes our game and team look like a joke.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

If the NRL truly wanted to expand the market in Sydney, a new stadium at Oran Park picking up all the kids from the new developments plus Camden etc should have been built. Imagine the growth potential in a massive new development located prior to other sports.

 

[mike]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

No, it’s based on your opinion, logic and practically has nothing to do with it. It’s just the vibe you don’t like. Again we get it.

Nothing to do with the vibe, this is not the castle, I don't operate on the vibe of things. It is based on the fact that an 80000 seat stadium is unfit for the use of a sporting team that averages 17000, it is not even close to being an appropriate choice. Any of the other arguments are just extra that the stadium can't do that others can and are just fluff. The only argument that matter is it is inappropriate for our primary use.

No vibe, no fluff, no emotion, no mistruths, just facts 80k seats is unfit for a 17k average. It is laughable to suggest otherwise.

Then I’m laughable because I would certainly suggest otherwise. It’s a great ground with awesome facilities. The point is mute though because under the current circumstances ANZ won’t be our home ground.

Such great facilities they provide 4 seats for each person who attends our home games there. That is right, each person that attends can have 4 seats. How is that not laughable? It makes our game and team look like a joke.

Sure, that’s how they seat everyone on game day. It’s no joke. A great ground with fantastic facilities. Great for corporates and the members. Could it be better, sure.

Again we won’t be attending home games their for the foreseeable future, so really not a problem for you to worry about.

 

[cochise]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

No, it’s based on your opinion, logic and practically has nothing to do with it. It’s just the vibe you don’t like. Again we get it.

Nothing to do with the vibe, this is not the castle, I don't operate on the vibe of things. It is based on the fact that an 80000 seat stadium is unfit for the use of a sporting team that averages 17000, it is not even close to being an appropriate choice. Any of the other arguments are just extra that the stadium can't do that others can and are just fluff. The only argument that matter is it is inappropriate for our primary use.

No vibe, no fluff, no emotion, no mistruths, just facts 80k seats is unfit for a 17k average. It is laughable to suggest otherwise.

Then I’m laughable because I would certainly suggest otherwise. It’s a great ground with awesome facilities. The point is mute though because under the current circumstances ANZ won’t be our home ground.

Such great facilities they provide 4 seats for each person who attends our home games there. That is right, each person that attends can have 4 seats. How is that not laughable? It makes our game and team look like a joke.

Sure, that’s how they seat everyone on game day. It’s no joke. A great ground with fantastic facilities. Great for corporates and the members. Could it be better, sure.

Again we won’t be attending home games their for the foreseeable future, so really not a problem for you to worry about.

Bankwest, beats ANZ with facilities and is an appropriate size. Its' ok that your only argument is based on a grudge, just don't pretend it is anything else. The only argument against Bankwest is that it is in Parra, that is an emotional based argument that people have used mistruths to try to justify.

I was staying out of this argument, because I know I'm in the minority, until @Snake , who I always disagree with, was told to stop arguing for Bankwest because everyone already knows his opinion. What a cop out that was as he has every right to state his opinion, especially when those same people trying to deny him are pushing an opposing view.

 

[jirskyr]

Whoever said LO/CSS for the out of town opposition home games and ANZ/BankWest for the Sydney opposition home games I think has it right with the grounds in their current state and configurations. I think this maximises the revenue for the club and minimises any losses.

100 of millions of $$ need to be spent Leichhardt and/or Campbelltown to rebuild them to modern accepted standards if that is to ever change. I just cannot see one home ground being practical in the next 5-10 years. With ANZ revamp not going ahead it’s probably going to stay the way it is, multiple home grounds for a very long time.

VLandys is pushing for 100s of millions for knock down and rebuilds for up to 4 stadiums.

Gladys will not wear that for a bit extra you do ANZ..

Well her govt entered an agreement with the NRL to spend that amount. I'd be backing VLandys on that fight.
A 20k stadium as Homebush would suit 3 clubs, I wonder it that's a possibility.

That is the best idea I've heard - not sure on space out their for another stadium but def a great idea. Only 2 issues I see is that Bankwest is only 15 minutes away from Olympic park so seems wierd to have 2 top stadiums so close but it always has seemed weird I guess and the other being is their somewhere to put it in the complex

However i really think thats a brilliant idea in what is meant to be a precinct.

A second 20K stadium at Homebush and leave the 80K one standing? What justification for that? Haven't they still got that little Showgrounds Stadium at Homebush, that Doggies played out of for a few seasons?

The Showground was redeveloped for the GWS Giants, it is now a boutique AFL ground right next to an 80k seat oval stadium. If AFL can have a boutique stadium literally 200 mtrs from ANZ there is no reason Rugby League can't have one in the same precinct. The biggest argument against a boutique stadium at Olympic Park is the proximity to Bankwest and in all honesty it is probably a killer to the idea.

I would think the biggest argument against a boutique stadium at Homebush is the fact that there is an 80K stadium next door. How could you possibly justify that? Is there literally anywhere in the world an 75K+ stadium next door to a 20K stadium that both host the same sport?

AFL don't play games at ANZ anymore, they let the contract lapse in 2016. Swans don't want to play away from SCG anymore since AFL crowds at ANZ fell consistently between 2002 and 2016.

The NSW Govt acknowledged ANZ's primary current purpose when originally deciding to permanently reconfigure ANZ into a truly rectangular field. It can do this and still host top-tier rugby, soccer and concerts.

Just because it may not happen anywhere else doesn't mean it's a bad idea. That was a reason people where saying why the NRL couldn't restart last week.
The MCG and Docklands are only 5kms apart, does that make sense?

It does for Melbourne. I believe they are actually closer than 5 km apart, only about 3.5 as crow flies.

I have no trouble with a second stadium ~5 kms from Homebush. ANZ and Bankwest are only 7 km apart.

5 klms would be ok but not next door? Splitting hairs there. WA cricket uses both the WACA and Optus and they are 1.3kms walking distance apart. It makes sense.

Not splitting hairs. The shops are 1km up the road. I'm 5 km from the airport. I can walk to the shops just fine but it's a bit of a pain to walk to the airport to be frank. Bit of a pain to drive there too, depending on where you are coming from. It's a major PTA just to cross from Alexandria over to Randwick and they are only 4 km apart.

5km is meaningful, it's a new geography in Sydney. 5km from Olympic Park reaches the Dundas Valley in the North, almost Parramatta in NW, Granville in West, Strathfield in the S, Croydon in SE, Five Dock and Abbotsford in the West. They are different geographical areas. A new stadium in any such location would then have an extended reach to another 5km radius.

Leichhardt Oval is 8km from Olympic Park. Parra Stadium is 7 km. Belmore Oval is 7.8 km. I don't see any purpose putting a second stadium right at Homebush when there is one already there. That's the simple argument for it. But it is obviously sensible to have another stadium within 10 km, because we already have that and it works. Sydney is very dense and 5-10 km makes a huge difference.

The more complicated argument is you have to get this past the government and the voters. It's fine to refurb an existing stadium or plonk one down in open land, esp if it suits a growth area or specific function. Bankwest happened because the State Govt is pouring billions into Parramatta Precinct, not specifically because Parra won some stadia lottery. The voters will howl down a new-built stadium next door to ANZ, esp in current financial climate.

If you are going to do 4 x boutique stadia, they need to be existing stadia refurbed or new locations. Not a new stadium next door to the old one. SFS wasn't built as a second cricket ground.

wrt Optus Stadium, it was purpose-built for AFL. Cricket happens to be a by-product of having an AFL ground, an issue we have in Sydney where cricket grounds and league grounds are different. West Coast and the Dockers moved to Optus from Subiaco. The WACA is different, it was established 100 years before Olympic Park. It's basically outdated now, they don't play primary Test Matches there any more. They are talking about redeveloping it for WAFL or community events.

 

[gallagher]

Whoever said LO/CSS for the out of town opposition home games and ANZ/BankWest for the Sydney opposition home games I think has it right with the grounds in their current state and configurations. I think this maximises the revenue for the club and minimises any losses.

100 of millions of $$ need to be spent Leichhardt and/or Campbelltown to rebuild them to modern accepted standards if that is to ever change. I just cannot see one home ground being practical in the next 5-10 years. With ANZ revamp not going ahead it’s probably going to stay the way it is, multiple home grounds for a very long time.

VLandys is pushing for 100s of millions for knock down and rebuilds for up to 4 stadiums.

Gladys will not wear that for a bit extra you do ANZ..

Well her govt entered an agreement with the NRL to spend that amount. I'd be backing VLandys on that fight.
A 20k stadium as Homebush would suit 3 clubs, I wonder it that's a possibility.

That is the best idea I've heard - not sure on space out their for another stadium but def a great idea. Only 2 issues I see is that Bankwest is only 15 minutes away from Olympic park so seems wierd to have 2 top stadiums so close but it always has seemed weird I guess and the other being is their somewhere to put it in the complex

However i really think thats a brilliant idea in what is meant to be a precinct.

A second 20K stadium at Homebush and leave the 80K one standing? What justification for that? Haven't they still got that little Showgrounds Stadium at Homebush, that Doggies played out of for a few seasons?

The Showground was redeveloped for the GWS Giants, it is now a boutique AFL ground right next to an 80k seat oval stadium. If AFL can have a boutique stadium literally 200 mtrs from ANZ there is no reason Rugby League can't have one in the same precinct. The biggest argument against a boutique stadium at Olympic Park is the proximity to Bankwest and in all honesty it is probably a killer to the idea.

I would think the biggest argument against a boutique stadium at Homebush is the fact that there is an 80K stadium next door. How could you possibly justify that? Is there literally anywhere in the world an 75K+ stadium next door to a 20K stadium that both host the same sport?

AFL don't play games at ANZ anymore, they let the contract lapse in 2016. Swans don't want to play away from SCG anymore since AFL crowds at ANZ fell consistently between 2002 and 2016.

The NSW Govt acknowledged ANZ's primary current purpose when originally deciding to permanently reconfigure ANZ into a truly rectangular field. It can do this and still host top-tier rugby, soccer and concerts.

Just because it may not happen anywhere else doesn't mean it's a bad idea. That was a reason people where saying why the NRL couldn't restart last week.
The MCG and Docklands are only 5kms apart, does that make sense?

It does for Melbourne. I believe they are actually closer than 5 km apart, only about 3.5 as crow flies.

I have no trouble with a second stadium ~5 kms from Homebush. ANZ and Bankwest are only 7 km apart.

5 klms would be ok but not next door? Splitting hairs there. WA cricket uses both the WACA and Optus and they are 1.3kms walking distance apart. It makes sense.

Not splitting hairs. The shops are 1km up the road. I'm 5 km from the airport. I can walk to the shops just fine but it's a bit of a pain to walk to the airport to be frank. Bit of a pain to drive there too, depending on where you are coming from. It's a major PTA just to cross from Alexandria over to Randwick and they are only 4 km apart.

5km is meaningful, it's a new geography in Sydney. 5km from Olympic Park reaches the Dundas Valley in the North, almost Parramatta in NW, Granville in West, Strathfield in the S, Croydon in SE, Five Dock and Abbotsford in the West. They are different geographical areas. A new stadium in any such location would then have an extended reach to another 5km radius.

Leichhardt Oval is 8km from Olympic Park. Parra Stadium is 7 km. Belmore Oval is 7.8 km. I don't see any purpose putting a second stadium right at Homebush when there is one already there. That's the simple argument for it. But it is obviously sensible to have another stadium within 10 km, because we already have that and it works. Sydney is very dense and 5-10 km makes a huge difference.

The more complicated argument is you have to get this past the government and the voters. It's fine to refurb an existing stadium or plonk one down in open land, esp if it suits a growth area or specific function. Bankwest happened because the State Govt is pouring billions into Parramatta Precinct, not specifically because Parra won some stadia lottery. The voters will howl down a new-built stadium next door to ANZ, esp in current financial climate.

If you are going to do 4 x boutique stadia, they need to be existing stadia refurbed or new locations. Not a new stadium next door to the old one. SFS wasn't built as a second cricket ground.

wrt Optus Stadium, it was purpose-built for AFL. Cricket happens to be a by-product of having an AFL ground, an issue we have in Sydney where cricket grounds and league grounds are different. West Coast and the Dockers moved to Optus from Subiaco. The WACA is different, it was established 100 years before Olympic Park. It's basically outdated now, they don't play primary Test Matches there any more. They are talking about redeveloping it for WAFL or community events.

You asked for an example where there is 2 venues close to each other that is used by the one sport. I gave you one. There was a cricket test at Optus last year and there's a test at the WACA this year. Your moving goal posts.

I think if 3 NRL clubs will use a Homebush stadium then it's more justifiable than one tenant in Penrith or one in Brookvale.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

dogs and tigers would use a rebuilt ANZ one with a roof would set it apart

 

[mike]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

No, it’s based on your opinion, logic and practically has nothing to do with it. It’s just the vibe you don’t like. Again we get it.

Nothing to do with the vibe, this is not the castle, I don't operate on the vibe of things. It is based on the fact that an 80000 seat stadium is unfit for the use of a sporting team that averages 17000, it is not even close to being an appropriate choice. Any of the other arguments are just extra that the stadium can't do that others can and are just fluff. The only argument that matter is it is inappropriate for our primary use.

No vibe, no fluff, no emotion, no mistruths, just facts 80k seats is unfit for a 17k average. It is laughable to suggest otherwise.

Then I’m laughable because I would certainly suggest otherwise. It’s a great ground with awesome facilities. The point is mute though because under the current circumstances ANZ won’t be our home ground.

Such great facilities they provide 4 seats for each person who attends our home games there. That is right, each person that attends can have 4 seats. How is that not laughable? It makes our game and team look like a joke.

Sure, that’s how they seat everyone on game day. It’s no joke. A great ground with fantastic facilities. Great for corporates and the members. Could it be better, sure.

Again we won’t be attending home games their for the foreseeable future, so really not a problem for you to worry about.

Bankwest, beats ANZ with facilities and is an appropriate size. Its' ok that your only argument is based on a grudge, just don't pretend it is anything else. The only argument against Bankwest is that it is in Parra, that is an emotional based argument that people have used mistruths to try to justify.

I was staying out of this argument, because I know I'm in the minority, until @Snake , who I always disagree with, was told to stop arguing for Bankwest because everyone already knows his opinion. What a cop out that was as he has every right to state his opinion, especially when those same people trying to deny him are pushing an opposing view.

BankWest is a great ground for night games. I have a major issue for day games sitting in the Eastern stand, where us members are, with the Sun belting down. The Western stand for corporations and the press doesn’t have that problem. I’ve said all along that it’s also about 15,000 seats short IMO. They are my only complaints so far against BankWest. It’s not perfect as some have made it out to be.

I don’t really care about it being in Parramatta heartland. It’s pretty easy to get to. The signage is all electronic and is set up for whoever’s home game it is on the day, so that works as well.

Should is be our home ground? It wouldn’t be my first choice but I could live with it. I just wouldn’t be able to attend day games there.

 

[cochise]

At the very least Homebush has no fixed supporter base or history.

No history, no culture, no presence, no atmosphere, no life, no gameday experience. Lots no s can be attributed to ANZ.

It has none of those things because it is a giant cavern in the middle of nowhere, you can't even get dinner after a game. It is a plastic experience attending ANZ.

That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I would disagree. We get it you don’t like ANZ.

Yes but my dislike of ANZ is based on logic, practicality and reality, while the dislike of Bankwest is based on illogical arguments based on mistruths, emotion and feelings..

No, it’s based on your opinion, logic and practically has nothing to do with it. It’s just the vibe you don’t like. Again we get it.

Nothing to do with the vibe, this is not the castle, I don't operate on the vibe of things. It is based on the fact that an 80000 seat stadium is unfit for the use of a sporting team that averages 17000, it is not even close to being an appropriate choice. Any of the other arguments are just extra that the stadium can't do that others can and are just fluff. The only argument that matter is it is inappropriate for our primary use.

No vibe, no fluff, no emotion, no mistruths, just facts 80k seats is unfit for a 17k average. It is laughable to suggest otherwise.

Then I’m laughable because I would certainly suggest otherwise. It’s a great ground with awesome facilities. The point is mute though because under the current circumstances ANZ won’t be our home ground.

Such great facilities they provide 4 seats for each person who attends our home games there. That is right, each person that attends can have 4 seats. How is that not laughable? It makes our game and team look like a joke.

Sure, that’s how they seat everyone on game day. It’s no joke. A great ground with fantastic facilities. Great for corporates and the members. Could it be better, sure.

Again we won’t be attending home games their for the foreseeable future, so really not a problem for you to worry about.

Bankwest, beats ANZ with facilities and is an appropriate size. Its' ok that your only argument is based on a grudge, just don't pretend it is anything else. The only argument against Bankwest is that it is in Parra, that is an emotional based argument that people have used mistruths to try to justify.

I was staying out of this argument, because I know I'm in the minority, until @Snake , who I always disagree with, was told to stop arguing for Bankwest because everyone already knows his opinion. What a cop out that was as he has every right to state his opinion, especially when those same people trying to deny him are pushing an opposing view.

BankWest is a great ground for night games. I have a major issue for day games sitting in the Eastern stand, where us members are, with the Sun belting down. The Western stand for corporations and the press doesn’t have that problem. I’ve said all along that it’s also about 15,000 seats short IMO. They are my only complaints so far against BankWest. It’s not perfect as some have made it out to be.

I don’t really care about it being in Parramatta heartland. It’s pretty easy to get to. The signage is all electronic and is set up for whoever’s home game it is on the day, so that works as well.

Should is be our home ground? It wouldn’t be my first choice but I could live with it. I just wouldn’t be able to attend day games there.

That is actually my issue with the place as well, I hate sitting on the eastern side of any ground. As a member I feel a disconnect with the team sitting on the opposite side and I hate sitting facing the sun. Though I have the same issue with a disconnect with the team at ANZ and feel disconnected to the other supporters as well, also the majority of games now are night games which really limits the sun issue.