wonka
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Well she is not getting as much coverage as Buddy Gordon's release :wink:
Are we sick of Schapelle yet
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innsaneink
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Apparently if you havent been following every move of a junkie drug smuggler for the last nine years…you havent been doing your research and only swallow what the media tell us...Some of us really couldnt give a shit..but because one does...they have all the facts
Ho hum
Ho hum
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@stryker said:
Believe what you will Stryker, this is the internet afterall.
innsaneink
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@stryker said:
So you're not a friend of the family?
innsaneink
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]Apparently if you havent been following every move of a junkie drug smuggler for the last nine years…you havent been doing your research and only swallow what the media tells you .Some of us really couldnt give a shit..but because one does...they have all the facts
Ho hum
Ho hum
innsaneink
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:deadhorse: yes
Here's some perspective
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foreveratiger
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@willow said:
Willow I think your reply's are very wise .
All I will say is I know a fair bit more than most do , we looked after Schapelle's dying Father a couple of years ago in the Hospital , all I will say she was guilty .
I'm sworn to Patient's Confidentiality so I will not say what was said at the time .
Her Family were well known for there selling of Drugs in our area .
I will not say any more on this.
Cheers Flip, I also had a bad feeling about this when it first happened. I am not trying to convince people of her innocence, even though I personally believe in it – she could well be guilty. What I am saying is that there is just not enough evidence for a conviction. Even if she was guilty, she should have gotten off because in any criminal proceeding the burden of proof is upon the prosecution who have to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt. What ended happening in this trial was a media circus erupted complete with defamatory statements and lies (which I’ll detail in a moment) from authority heads in Australia, he said, she said testimonies from prisoners, suspected drug couriers and corrupted customs staff…all taking place in front of a panel of judges who were hand selected due to their 100% combined conviction record in over 600 similar cases. In the end she had to prove the drugs were not hers and that was made almost impossible when certain fundamental protocols were not followed and her defence team was barred from introducing favourable evidence. Below are some very important points that were excluded from her defence and subsequent appeals:
• Commissioner Mick Keelty stated that he had no knowledge of corruption within Australia’s airports with relation to the transportation of illicit substances. This statement came despite the fact that the NSW Crime Commission was orchestrating Operation Mocha – an intensive surveillance on customs officers and baggage handlers at Sydney Domestic on the very day Schapelle travelled through there.
• Senior drugs investigator and former Associate Director of the NSW Crimes Commission, Mark Standen was himself caught in the operation and is now serving a 20 year stretch – in Australia. Disgraced police officer Christopher Laycock was also arrested and convicted and served 4 years.
• The United Nations 2007 World Drugs Report concluded that not only was smuggling and transportation of drugs through Australian airports happening – but it was rife.
• Whistle blower Allan Kessing, a former Sydney Airport Customs Officer wrote reviews in 2002 and 2003 condemning the “epidemic” of drug transportation through the airport.
• Wikileaks released an email from Stratfor’s Global Intelligence Tactical Analysts, Marko Primorac describing the endemic and pernicious drugs trafficking through our airports – where corrupted airport baggage handlers plant quantities of illicit substances in the luggage of unsuspecting passengers, turning them into unwitting drug mules. Mr Primorac described what Australian customs officer, Allan Kessing had described, that airport services corruption is rife, and that it was only going to get worse.
• Over a four year period, an international team of investigators and researchers compiled a dossier of evidence arguing Schapelle Corby’s innocence. They submitted the evidence to the ACC, the AFP and the Australian Government. They never received acknowledgement of having done so. Alexander Downer even said he had no recollection of ever receiving these reports.
This evidence does not involve Indonesia at all Winnipeg. This was totally an Australian crime that accidently made its way to Indonesia. There was no subversion of the Indonesian justice system, but there was certainly a cover up over here to minimalize the impact of further fractured relations with that country. The powers that be in this country were fully aware at the time this stuff was going on and were actively trying to dismantle the network. Next thing they know, a girl has shown up in Bali with a bag full of pot claiming she has fallen victim of these practices. It would have been a major embarrassment for the truth to have gotten out so she was left to her own devices, without any cooperation from our authorities to strengthen her defence of these charges.
The puzzling part about the whole thing is that her guilt or innocence could have been proven almost immediately if certain protocols were followed.
1. Her team were allowed to have the bags the pot was in to be fingerprinted and forensically tested for country of origin. Instead, everyone from the Balinese customs officers, police and even the judges handled the evidence with bare hands before disallowing the testing and destroying the evidence by fire.
2. The AFP made available to her team the check in weight of her bag at Sydney Airport. This would have hung or absolved her immediately. This evidence was never released as it became lost during Operation Mocha.
3. The CCTV footages of Schapelle in both Brisbane and Sydney airports were released. The bag of pot was huge and would have easily stood out in the boogie board bag on camera. The Judges ruled this evidence irrelevant and denied her team access to it.
The point is that there was just not enough evidence other than she had it in her bag to convict her. As I pointed out earlier, to gain conviction secondary evidence had to be produced and proven. The primary evidence was the pot, but there was zero secondary evidence.
It should also be pointed out that the AFP conducted no investigations whatsoever as to who supplied her with the drugs in Australia. Likewise the Balinese conducted no investigation on their end as to whom the drugs were intended.
• Commissioner Mick Keelty stated that he had no knowledge of corruption within Australia’s airports with relation to the transportation of illicit substances. This statement came despite the fact that the NSW Crime Commission was orchestrating Operation Mocha – an intensive surveillance on customs officers and baggage handlers at Sydney Domestic on the very day Schapelle travelled through there.
• Senior drugs investigator and former Associate Director of the NSW Crimes Commission, Mark Standen was himself caught in the operation and is now serving a 20 year stretch – in Australia. Disgraced police officer Christopher Laycock was also arrested and convicted and served 4 years.
• The United Nations 2007 World Drugs Report concluded that not only was smuggling and transportation of drugs through Australian airports happening – but it was rife.
• Whistle blower Allan Kessing, a former Sydney Airport Customs Officer wrote reviews in 2002 and 2003 condemning the “epidemic” of drug transportation through the airport.
• Wikileaks released an email from Stratfor’s Global Intelligence Tactical Analysts, Marko Primorac describing the endemic and pernicious drugs trafficking through our airports – where corrupted airport baggage handlers plant quantities of illicit substances in the luggage of unsuspecting passengers, turning them into unwitting drug mules. Mr Primorac described what Australian customs officer, Allan Kessing had described, that airport services corruption is rife, and that it was only going to get worse.
• Over a four year period, an international team of investigators and researchers compiled a dossier of evidence arguing Schapelle Corby’s innocence. They submitted the evidence to the ACC, the AFP and the Australian Government. They never received acknowledgement of having done so. Alexander Downer even said he had no recollection of ever receiving these reports.
This evidence does not involve Indonesia at all Winnipeg. This was totally an Australian crime that accidently made its way to Indonesia. There was no subversion of the Indonesian justice system, but there was certainly a cover up over here to minimalize the impact of further fractured relations with that country. The powers that be in this country were fully aware at the time this stuff was going on and were actively trying to dismantle the network. Next thing they know, a girl has shown up in Bali with a bag full of pot claiming she has fallen victim of these practices. It would have been a major embarrassment for the truth to have gotten out so she was left to her own devices, without any cooperation from our authorities to strengthen her defence of these charges.
The puzzling part about the whole thing is that her guilt or innocence could have been proven almost immediately if certain protocols were followed.
1. Her team were allowed to have the bags the pot was in to be fingerprinted and forensically tested for country of origin. Instead, everyone from the Balinese customs officers, police and even the judges handled the evidence with bare hands before disallowing the testing and destroying the evidence by fire.
2. The AFP made available to her team the check in weight of her bag at Sydney Airport. This would have hung or absolved her immediately. This evidence was never released as it became lost during Operation Mocha.
3. The CCTV footages of Schapelle in both Brisbane and Sydney airports were released. The bag of pot was huge and would have easily stood out in the boogie board bag on camera. The Judges ruled this evidence irrelevant and denied her team access to it.
The point is that there was just not enough evidence other than she had it in her bag to convict her. As I pointed out earlier, to gain conviction secondary evidence had to be produced and proven. The primary evidence was the pot, but there was zero secondary evidence.
It should also be pointed out that the AFP conducted no investigations whatsoever as to who supplied her with the drugs in Australia. Likewise the Balinese conducted no investigation on their end as to whom the drugs were intended.
happy_tiger
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Wondering why my comment about the Corby's being known small time dealers for at least 15-20 years was deleted ??
No much required here but common sense. She is guilty as sin.
Her bro and dad had to make run and used her. That's all.
It must be extremely bad luck for your family to involved in drug deals and 'coincidentally' you end up with 4kgs of mull in your bag. That's terrible luck.
I want to know how good her bodyboarding skills are. When you go to Bali to surf you aren't an amature. She must be good and now that she's out she at some stage will go for a surf yeah. I seriously doubt it because I don't think she has EVER ridden a boogie board in her life.
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Her bro and dad had to make run and used her. That's all.
It must be extremely bad luck for your family to involved in drug deals and 'coincidentally' you end up with 4kgs of mull in your bag. That's terrible luck.
I want to know how good her bodyboarding skills are. When you go to Bali to surf you aren't an amature. She must be good and now that she's out she at some stage will go for a surf yeah. I seriously doubt it because I don't think she has EVER ridden a boogie board in her life.
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Well the AFP seem pretty convinced someone in her party was aware of what she was carrying. I also find it hard to believe you wouldn't notice an extra 4kg in something like a boogie board bag.
@tigsta said:
To be fair her sister was in Bali and Corby herself lived on the Gold Coast. I don't think its unreasonable to assume she has used a boogie board before.
@stryker said:
Well just a few things…
The racket transporting drugs interstate involved cocaine I believe. Likewise Standen was trying to import MDMA or something similar. The corrupt Customs staff were mostly bigger fish than pot too.
The marijuana was vacuum sealed. It was designed to be as flat and small as possible. A package that stand out on a CCTV camera at an airport would be flat out stupid.
As I understand those comments re the AFP aren't true. Corby and others were interviewed but given Corby herself denied any involvement their efforts to identify the trail didn't go far. Besides it's marijuana - hardly a massive priority of the AFP given this is also around the time the Bali 9 are starting their activities. I believe the AFP offered to undertake some tests on the drugs but when it was made clear this evidence would be shared with the Indonesian authorities, the Corby defence team lost interest.
Airlines check total weights. Unless an individual item exceeds safety or size limits they're less interested in the individual weights than the total weight with regards to baggage limits. The AFP didn't and still doesn't have access to the weights of individual bags. LEAs get PAX cards and bugger all else most of the time...
If her "international team" of lawyers sent the information to the ACC they have zero idea of how the Australian law enforcement environment works. Downer has a whole department of people to handle this kind of thing.
Now personally I think the Indonesian investigation was hardly ideal and certainly fell short of what would be expected from an Australian prosecution. Still they had a reasonable case and they had the drugs - it was hardly a stitch up IMO anyway, But 15 years (or the 9+ she's served) is a long stretch for marijuana. I think she's served more than her fair share particularly compared to someone like Renae Lawrence.
happy_tiger
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Her sister owns a surf shop in Bali ffs
Why the hell would you take the boogie board over for
Why the hell would you take the boogie board over for
@happy tiger said:
I don't think that really proves anything. If it was something she did regularly its not unreasonable she may want to use her own. Besides judging from the size of the shop (based on the news footage I saw) it's hardly Rebel Sports. It looked about the size of a small boutique. Again it's not unreasonable they don't want to give up a new boogie board (assuming they even stocked them) rather than letting her sister use one that they then can't sell.
