ARLC scraps anthem

[OzLuke]

So what about the players that do want to sing the anthem with pride? Why are they discriminated against?
Was it put to a vote to all players? I could imagine there would be some unease at backlash by players putting their hands up to say yes I want to sing it.....I could very well be mistaken but there would be a fear of moral outrage at a non-aboriginal player saying yes I want to sing it...they may be seen as being insensitive to aboriginal culture.
Just my opinion of course...

 

[twentyforty]

The Rabbitohs are becoming the “progressive “ NRL club.

 

[OzLuke]

Tribalism is a communist plot. Resist. Don’t follow the crowd. Respect each other while appreciating that we are all different and rejoice in that difference. Communism seeks to destroy that difference by initially herding the simple minded followers into More easily controlled groups. Regardless of your standing in life , your IQ, level of education, Identifying characteristics, or wealth , for better or worse, we’re on this island nation together (including Tasmania) . So rather than searching for the perceived undesirable characteristics In others, let’s look for the good?

great post!!!!!

 

[twentyforty]

Will they still have the War dances...like them...

I like them too.
We should have had them years ago.

 

[tbones10]

A national anthem is an expression of national values and national identity, pure and simple. Now Advance Australian Fair may not be the catchiest tune, but at its core it does reflect us, it acknowledges this amazing land, it encourages the benefits of hard work, it welcomes immigration and it obliges us all to share this land.
By refusing to play our national anthem at a major Australian sporting event, sponsored by a tax payers funded organization due to the "identity politics" (new term to me) of a small minority, is not only weak, but a slap in the face to the idea that we are all equal, and it encourages these individuals and others that our society and our values don't apply to them.
I for one won't be watching this rubbish.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

If they don't want to play the national anthem let them come up with something else or play the game in NZ I wouldn't walk accross the road in protest of the decision to watch the game.Their all keen to put their hand out to receive what the game offers and one wonders where half of them would be if it wasn't for the game of Rugby League.

 

[twentyforty]

A national anthem is an expression of national values and national identity, pure and simple. Now Advance Australian Fair may not be the catchiest tune, but at its core it does reflect us, it acknowledges this amazing land, it encourages the benefits of hard work, it welcomes immigration and it obliges us all to share this land.
By refusing to play our national anthem at a major Australian sporting event, sponsored by a tax payers funded organization due to the "identity politics" (new term to me) of a small minority, is not only weak, but a slap in the face to the idea that we are all equal, and it encourages these individuals and others that our society and our values don't apply to them.
I for one won't be watching this rubbish.

When I think about this the way you’ve written, I think about my dead relatives buried on foreign soil who may have held an emotional attachment to a flag and a song. The anthem has already been changed to appease indigenous activists who accepted those changes. So why are we even discussing this?

 

[Russell]

I think it is possibly a case of I'll take this part of the system because it suits me, I won't take take that part because it doesn't.

Why? if it hurts so much, do the indigenous people take part in Australia Day celebrations. They do however choose to have their own flag flying, they choose not to sing the National Anthem but wish to take part in various celebrations with indigenous cultural dances etc.

How many apologies to these "Australians" want? We have said we are sorry, do we have to keep saying it indefinitely. Does not make it right but white Australians also were part of the stolen generation, you do not hear this mentioned very often.

You can't pick and choose - if we are going to grow as a nation, we have to all make sacrifices - the past is the past, let's move on as an integrated nation.

New Zealand is the model we should be looking at.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The Australian anthem should only be sung when any national team plays. It's too much to be signing it at the NRL grand final, SOO or exhibition matches IMO.

Why would they ban the welcome to country or any other indigenous/Maori ceremonies? This exhibition match is explicitly to celebrate what Indigenous and Maori players bring to our game, despite making up a small proportion of the greater population, they are overwhelmingly over represented in the NRL.

For people complaining about outrage culture, there seems to be a lot of outrage.

 

[gallagher]

I'm surprised at the response to this. The anthem signifies something negative to Indigenous people. I suppose it's hard for them to connect with when they're witness to a system which they see as marginalising them and their interests. Maybe they should shut that away and sing it anyway? Look how outraged we all get because they don't want to sing our song. While I don't think we're particularly good at recognising their traditions. Already on here we see negative attitudes towards smoke ceremonies and welcome to country. It would be nice if all Australians could have a greater sense of connection to the country, the flag and the anthem but I don't think it has to be imposed on people. As a republican, I don't like the flag and I wouldn't wear it. I'm just not proud of our connection to the monarchy and the union jack. Do you have to be patriotic to be a good citizen? The flag, the anthem are just constructs. It's only been our anthem since 1978. Indigenous people were recognised as Australian citizens in 1967. I get where they're coming from. And I'm not against Australia or wishing I was somewhere else, I just think our country, like all countries, has unresolved issues.

Cody Waller says the anthem doesn't represent him or his family. Well welcome to country doesn't represent me or my family, so why should I respect it?

You're making the exact argument he is to argue that he shouldn't take that stance.

So you think we are both right or both wrong?

I think you're both entitled to say what you want. We're talking about cultural ceremonies here. These are our collective ceremonies, they mean different things to people. I don't see why welcome to country offends you. Care to explain? Not having a go, I just don't get it.

It doesn't. But if we all take the stance that we only respect things that directly represents our families then we'd end up in a pretty crapy country.

Sure, but I think the issue for the Indigenous people is that the anthem represents a lot to them. It hurts them, they don't have pride in it. It's come to be associated with the things in Australian society that they feel marginalise them. I don't know, I don't want to speak for Indigenous people. But I don't find it hard to see why they don't like the anthem, and I'm not sure why you want them to sing it. How does it help?

What part do you think they don't they like?

In the lyrics? I'm not sure. Notion of the nation as a 'young' country? Maybe the suggestion 'We've boundless plains to share' when there's been no treaty or recognition of dispossession. When incarceration rates remain ridiculously high for Indigenous people it might be hard for them to sing 'let us all combine', especially considering the White Australia Policy and the Stolen Generation. But I think what offends more than the words is the singing of a song of patriotism when they don't feel that sense of patriotism. I don't think they find it easy to celebrate the state of the nation as it is today.

Not singing the anthem won't change the state of the nation.

So why does it matter if they choose not to sing it?

It's disrespecting the nation IMO. Walker on $700k would have a pretty good life here.

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I don't overly understand this argument, surely someone in his position should be speaking for people who do not have his platform to push for change?

Whats he pushing for though? They arnt getting their message across too well.

Someone in their 20's on $700k with the rights of every other Australian not happy wih the line 'we are young and free' doesnt win over a lot of people with less than him.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm going to agree with the ARLC on this one

My opinion , the national anthem should really only be played when AUSTRALIA is playing

What about the traditional ANZAC day matches?

You mean the ones Australia play in ....

 

[twentyforty]

I'm going to agree with the ARLC on this one

My opinion , the national anthem should really only be played when AUSTRALIA is playing

What about the traditional ANZAC day matches?

You mean the ones Australia play in ....

No, I mean the double header which usually involves our allies from across the ditch. The Worriers.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm going to agree with the ARLC on this one

My opinion , the national anthem should really only be played when AUSTRALIA is playing

What about the traditional ANZAC day matches?

You mean the ones Australia play in ....

No, I mean the double header which usually involves our allies from across the ditch. The Worriers.

Stick to the Last Post .....isn't that enough and emotive enough

 

[twentyforty]

I'm going to agree with the ARLC on this one

My opinion , the national anthem should really only be played when AUSTRALIA is playing

What about the traditional ANZAC day matches?

You mean the ones Australia play in ....

No, I mean the double header which usually involves our allies from across the ditch. The Worriers.

Stick to the Last Post .....isn't that enough and emotive enough

What’s all this hatred for our anthem? WT have a theme song. Why shouldn’t team Australia have a song? And why can’t we sing it whenever we like?

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm going to agree with the ARLC on this one

My opinion , the national anthem should really only be played when AUSTRALIA is playing

What about the traditional ANZAC day matches?

You mean the ones Australia play in ....

No, I mean the double header which usually involves our allies from across the ditch. The Worriers.

Stick to the Last Post .....isn't that enough and emotive enough

What’s all this hatred for our anthem? WT have a theme song. Why shouldn’t team Australia have a song? And why can’t we sing it whenever we like?

Read back through the thread mate ...I love our anthem but it is an anthem for our country

Play the club songs before kick off ....I don't even understand why the National Anthem is played GF day

 

[rustycage]

All Australians should be proud to sing our Anthem

That's the point. A significant portion aren't proud of it. Quite the opposite actually. As @happy_tiger said though. It's not an international, so why the outrage?

 

[fibrodreaming]

All Australians should be proud to sing our Anthem

Why? I’m a very proud Australian but I don’t even like our anthem, I think it’s terrible.

Kiwi anthem is the best ..
( I’m a Pom )
God save the queen sucks !

The tune for the Kiwi anthem is OK, but the lyrics ...

"God defend New Zealand"

The Kiwis should take responsibility for their own defence rather than leaving it all to God.

 

[hugh1954]

Love my league BUT wont be watching this PC dribble continue in our sport. Tired of major sports organisations pandering to a socialist, divisive minority who will never be truly happy and want more and more incursions into our culture

 

[Harvey]

I have just realised that the anthem does not represent me. Until it is replaced by the beastie boys “fight for your right” , or sir mix a lot’s “big butts”, I will refuse to acknowledge it and will feel that I’m an oppressed outsider in my birth land

 

[rustycage]

Love my league BUT wont be watching this PC dribble continue in our sport. Tired of major sports organisations pandering to a socialist, divisive minority who will never be truly happy and want more and more incursions into our culture

Lol, the argument has nothing to do with socialism.