ARLC scraps anthem

[Tiger_Steve]

They should just scrap the game, and tell them to take there bat and ball and go home.

They won’t want the bat and ball as it signifies the gentleman’s game played by The English

 

[Tiger_Steve]

There are a few Australians whose forefathers/mothers were thrown in leg irons after being sentenced to this land for life. There crime?stealing a chook to feed their starving family. And no, their families did not get passage here.
They were treated harshly with regular punishment. Australia became known as a resourceful and courageous country on the back of these people, these convicts who built roads and other infrastructure. They weren’t negative about previous times. They accepted it for what it was, the past, and moved forward. The descendants of these so called convicts don’t spend their lives complaint about terrible treatment of previous generations.

Sure, but many of those same convicts were given grants of land by the British government after it's inhabitants were either killed or moved on with the threat of being killed. Mid last century they granted people a whole country that they took from others.


Former, I don’t want to go into a discussion on who was more harshly done by, I just wanted to point out that they were hard times for everyone. Particularly the Chinese prospectors. The Aboriginals would eat them. It was a tough time.

So our native Australians were the first Aussies to enjoy a slap up Chinese feed!

I’ll see myself out

 

[Deleted member 3518]

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It's just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier .... just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.

I think that argument is like saying people who want lower levels of migration in Australia are racist or wrong because there are also right wing racist nationalists who make that argument. You have to take arguments and people as they are, not try and group them with others and dismiss them all. Both the left and the right do this sort of generalising and dismissing of arguments too often (as racist or prejudicial on the right, and as socialist PC on the left), this is what gets people upset. We're not talking about LGBTQI, feminism, 'various ethnicities', religious groups, anti-vaxers; we're talking about the Indigenous protest of the national anthem and they have valid reasons for protesting. The merit of the other protests isn't something I know about and I don't think it's relevant to this protest. Better to avoid generalising.


? Pardon ? I don't follow . You've done exactly what I said people do , and projected your own ideas on to what I said . And not actually read my point. Way to go ! This is what I've been saying . Nothing gets heard . It's all just noise in the atmosphere. And now you dismiss this idea and notion , that the search for common ground is becoming a waste of time. It is all linked .
People are tribalistic by nature , and with social media , it has become extremely easy for everybody to find Thier applicable echo chamber . My point is directly related to a larger cultural issue where common ground is impossible to find . Of which , the anthem is just 1 of many issues .

Right, I see. You'd like to see people strive for common ground and not be so divisive? I thought you were saying something like 'all these fruit loops are protesting, it has to stop' but I see now you were arguing for more community spirit. That's good. I guess the Indigenous RL players don't feel connected to the community. That's a shame. I think we can work harder to include them. I think even if that fails and even if we feel like we're doing enough and we can't understand why they're still protesting, we still have to accept their right to protest. And doing so makes our community stronger, because people know they have a voice and are accepted and are allowed to say things which are challenging and still be a part of it. I don't know, I think I share your hope for a stronger community and I get where you're coming from there, but part of taking responsibility, which Peterson preaches, is also arguing for things people believe in. You don't just accept the way things are, you actively struggle for and support the causes you believe in. So to flip it a bit, you can see this protest as a sign of their strength and also a sign of the health of our community that they can do it.

Mate , you’re just preaching now. None of what you said has been debated by me. If anything I’ve advocated for exactly what you’re saying , I just haven’t mentioned it , as I assumed it was a given , and a waste of time getting bogged down in it , as it’s obvious they have a right to protest.
What’s less obvious , is that the opposing point of view can’t be dismissed either. It’s not community spirit I’m advocating , it’s the fact that we as a species cannot evolve into our true potential , if we are always , resorting back to whatever tribe we align with when times get tough . Its a huge waste of time. I fear for my children , with economic uncertainty due to automation, climate change , increasing unrest over petty things that should have been sorted years ago.
Imagine if we could put the amount of brain power dedicated to petty differences like skin colour , and whatever imaginary friend you believe in , back into things that propel us into the future.
Everyone is always going to have prejudices sure. It’s inevitable , but the extreme amount of time and energy put towards it is ridiculous. And now , because of the advent of social media, any perceived ground gained in the last 40 years, is heading backwards fast. People being attacked for their views , however minor , means , they tend to look for their echo chamber rather than deal with other people’s crap . This is what I’m saying is wrong . It is not good .
Black people get called all the stereotypes , so they talk about light skinned people.
Light skinned people get called all the stereotypes and THEY , sit around and talk about black people .
LGBTQ get call3d all the stereotypes so they sit around and talk about straight people ,
Straight people do the same ... and so on it goes. Nobody is having conversations with alternate thought processes anymore .
It’s like when You think stupid thoughts in your head , you say it out loud , and people say “ that’s stupid”,. And you thought you Were thinking some impressive stuff.
It’s a real world version of this . Only there’s nobody to say “that’s stupid”.

 

[watersider]

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It's just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier .... just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.

I think that argument is like saying people who want lower levels of migration in Australia are racist or wrong because there are also right wing racist nationalists who make that argument. You have to take arguments and people as they are, not try and group them with others and dismiss them all. Both the left and the right do this sort of generalising and dismissing of arguments too often (as racist or prejudicial on the right, and as socialist PC on the left), this is what gets people upset. We're not talking about LGBTQI, feminism, 'various ethnicities', religious groups, anti-vaxers; we're talking about the Indigenous protest of the national anthem and they have valid reasons for protesting. The merit of the other protests isn't something I know about and I don't think it's relevant to this protest. Better to avoid generalising.


? Pardon ? I don't follow . You've done exactly what I said people do , and projected your own ideas on to what I said . And not actually read my point. Way to go ! This is what I've been saying . Nothing gets heard . It's all just noise in the atmosphere. And now you dismiss this idea and notion , that the search for common ground is becoming a waste of time. It is all linked .
People are tribalistic by nature , and with social media , it has become extremely easy for everybody to find Thier applicable echo chamber . My point is directly related to a larger cultural issue where common ground is impossible to find . Of which , the anthem is just 1 of many issues .

Right, I see. You'd like to see people strive for common ground and not be so divisive? I thought you were saying something like 'all these fruit loops are protesting, it has to stop' but I see now you were arguing for more community spirit. That's good. I guess the Indigenous RL players don't feel connected to the community. That's a shame. I think we can work harder to include them. I think even if that fails and even if we feel like we're doing enough and we can't understand why they're still protesting, we still have to accept their right to protest. And doing so makes our community stronger, because people know they have a voice and are accepted and are allowed to say things which are challenging and still be a part of it. I don't know, I think I share your hope for a stronger community and I get where you're coming from there, but part of taking responsibility, which Peterson preaches, is also arguing for things people believe in. You don't just accept the way things are, you actively struggle for and support the causes you believe in. So to flip it a bit, you can see this protest as a sign of their strength and also a sign of the health of our community that they can do it.

Mate , you’re just preaching now. None of what you said has been debated by me. If anything I’ve advocated for exactly what you’re saying , I just haven’t mentioned it , as I assumed it was a given , and a waste of time getting bogged down in it , as it’s obvious they have a right to protest.
What’s less obvious , is that the opposing point of view can’t be dismissed either. It’s not community spirit I’m advocating , it’s the fact that we as a species cannot evolve into our true potential , if we are always , resorting back to whatever tribe we align with when times get tough . Its a huge waste of time. I fear for my children , with economic uncertainty due to automation, climate change , increasing unrest over petty things that should have been sorted years ago.
Imagine if we could put the amount of brain power dedicated to petty differences like skin colour , and whatever imaginary friend you believe in , back into things that propel us into the future.
Everyone is always going to have prejudices sure. It’s inevitable , but the extreme amount of time and energy put towards it is ridiculous. And now , because of the advent of social media, any perceived ground gained in the last 40 years, is heading backwards fast. People being attacked for their views , however minor , means , they tend to look for their echo chamber rather than deal with other people’s crap . This is what I’m saying is wrong . It is not good .
Black people get called all the stereotypes , so they talk about light skinned people.
Light skinned people get called all the stereotypes and THEY , sit around and talk about black people .
LGBTQ get call3d all the stereotypes so they sit around and talk about straight people ,
Straight people do the same ... and so on it goes. Nobody is having conversations with alternate thought processes anymore .
It’s like when You think stupid thoughts in your head , you say it out loud , and people say “ that’s stupid”,. And you thought you Were thinking some impressive stuff.
It’s a real world version of this . Only there’s nobody to say “that’s stupid”.

Not sure where to go with this, only that I don't see Indigenous concerns or protest as being 'trivial' or a part of a relativist everyone's sort of to blame sort of scenario, if that's what you're arguing. I really think Indigenous people have suffered and continue to suffer and I don't see their protest as harmful or disruptive to the broader collective humanitarian struggle towards our 'true potential'. But I'm not sure you're disagreeing with that anyway.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It's just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier .... just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.

I think that argument is like saying people who want lower levels of migration in Australia are racist or wrong because there are also right wing racist nationalists who make that argument. You have to take arguments and people as they are, not try and group them with others and dismiss them all. Both the left and the right do this sort of generalising and dismissing of arguments too often (as racist or prejudicial on the right, and as socialist PC on the left), this is what gets people upset. We're not talking about LGBTQI, feminism, 'various ethnicities', religious groups, anti-vaxers; we're talking about the Indigenous protest of the national anthem and they have valid reasons for protesting. The merit of the other protests isn't something I know about and I don't think it's relevant to this protest. Better to avoid generalising.


? Pardon ? I don't follow . You've done exactly what I said people do , and projected your own ideas on to what I said . And not actually read my point. Way to go ! This is what I've been saying . Nothing gets heard . It's all just noise in the atmosphere. And now you dismiss this idea and notion , that the search for common ground is becoming a waste of time. It is all linked .
People are tribalistic by nature , and with social media , it has become extremely easy for everybody to find Thier applicable echo chamber . My point is directly related to a larger cultural issue where common ground is impossible to find . Of which , the anthem is just 1 of many issues .

Right, I see. You'd like to see people strive for common ground and not be so divisive? I thought you were saying something like 'all these fruit loops are protesting, it has to stop' but I see now you were arguing for more community spirit. That's good. I guess the Indigenous RL players don't feel connected to the community. That's a shame. I think we can work harder to include them. I think even if that fails and even if we feel like we're doing enough and we can't understand why they're still protesting, we still have to accept their right to protest. And doing so makes our community stronger, because people know they have a voice and are accepted and are allowed to say things which are challenging and still be a part of it. I don't know, I think I share your hope for a stronger community and I get where you're coming from there, but part of taking responsibility, which Peterson preaches, is also arguing for things people believe in. You don't just accept the way things are, you actively struggle for and support the causes you believe in. So to flip it a bit, you can see this protest as a sign of their strength and also a sign of the health of our community that they can do it.

Mate , you’re just preaching now. None of what you said has been debated by me. If anything I’ve advocated for exactly what you’re saying , I just haven’t mentioned it , as I assumed it was a given , and a waste of time getting bogged down in it , as it’s obvious they have a right to protest.
What’s less obvious , is that the opposing point of view can’t be dismissed either. It’s not community spirit I’m advocating , it’s the fact that we as a species cannot evolve into our true potential , if we are always , resorting back to whatever tribe we align with when times get tough . Its a huge waste of time. I fear for my children , with economic uncertainty due to automation, climate change , increasing unrest over petty things that should have been sorted years ago.
Imagine if we could put the amount of brain power dedicated to petty differences like skin colour , and whatever imaginary friend you believe in , back into things that propel us into the future.
Everyone is always going to have prejudices sure. It’s inevitable , but the extreme amount of time and energy put towards it is ridiculous. And now , because of the advent of social media, any perceived ground gained in the last 40 years, is heading backwards fast. People being attacked for their views , however minor , means , they tend to look for their echo chamber rather than deal with other people’s crap . This is what I’m saying is wrong . It is not good .
Black people get called all the stereotypes , so they talk about light skinned people.
Light skinned people get called all the stereotypes and THEY , sit around and talk about black people .
LGBTQ get call3d all the stereotypes so they sit around and talk about straight people ,
Straight people do the same ... and so on it goes. Nobody is having conversations with alternate thought processes anymore .
It’s like when You think stupid thoughts in your head , you say it out loud , and people say “ that’s stupid”,. And you thought you Were thinking some impressive stuff.
It’s a real world version of this . Only there’s nobody to say “that’s stupid”.

Not sure where to go with this, only that I don't see Indigenous concerns or protest as being 'trivial' or a part of a relativist everyone's sort of to blame sort of scenario, if that's what you're arguing. I really think Indigenous people have suffered and continue to suffer and I don't see their protest as harmful or disruptive to the broader collective humanitarian struggle towards our 'true potential'. But I'm not sure you're disagreeing with that anyway.

God mate . I just said I wasn’t . Read what I said. And I didn’t use the word trivial . So Please don’t misquote me .
What is the point of protesting if not to get to a point of mediation ? Or is it just to say .. we had a crap go , empathise for us ? I don’t get , the point of pointing out the problem , but offering zero solutions .
You’d do my head in if you worked for me lol .
“ Boss this is stuffed . Been stuffed for a long time . We pretty much stuffed it. Now it’s really messing me up “ that is all ......

 

[cktiger]

Anybody realise that Australians only really became Australians in 1949? That’s when all Australians
(including Aboriginals) were first given their own nationality, not referred to as British subjects, and issued Australian passports instead of British ones.
Guess the date?
I’ll be buggered... January 26.
Nothing to do with Cook or Phillip (neither of whom landed on that date) and any invasion.
A day we all became one people.
It’s been celebrated wrongly for a long time.. if people knew the real reason there wouldn’t be any problems.
Or would there?
The Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Enacted January 26, 1949....tell your kids.

 

[twentyforty]

Anybody realise that Australians only really became Australians in 1949? That’s when all Australians
(including Aboriginals) were first given their own nationality, not referred to as British subjects, and issued Australian passports instead of British ones.
Guess the date?
I’ll be buggered... January 26.
Nothing to do with Cook or Phillip (neither of whom landed on that date) and any invasion.
A day we all became one people.
It’s been celebrated wrongly for a long time.. if people knew the real reason there wouldn’t be any problems.
Or would there?
The Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Enacted January 26, 1949....tell your kids.

CK, your point is a real argument stopper. Like water on a fire mate.
However this is about something much bigger than factual solutions. It’s about feelings. And whose responsibility it is to massage those feelings. Gosh, we’ve been arguing about the bloody anthem since we dropped “God save the Queen”. We’ve run competitions with countless entries, we’ve run plebiscites, only to find “Advance Australia Fair” was the most suitable. We’ve tweaked the words of it a few times. We had a recommendation by a stupid government minister that it should be sung in indigenous language, but deciding on which of the 1200 or so languages would have created more disunity. And so it goes on and on and on?

 

[cktiger]

Anybody realise that Australians only really became Australians in 1949? That’s when all Australians
(including Aboriginals) were first given their own nationality, not referred to as British subjects, and issued Australian passports instead of British ones.
Guess the date?
I’ll be buggered... January 26.
Nothing to do with Cook or Phillip (neither of whom landed on that date) and any invasion.
A day we all became one people.
It’s been celebrated wrongly for a long time.. if people knew the real reason there wouldn’t be any problems.
Or would there?
The Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Enacted January 26, 1949....tell your kids.


CK, your point is a real argument stopper. Like water on a fire mate.
However this is about something much bigger than factual solutions. It’s about feelings. And whose responsibility it is to massage those feelings. Gosh, **we’ve been arguing about the bloody anthem since we dropped “God save the Queen”**. We’ve run competitions with countless entries, we’ve run plebiscites, only to find “Advance Australia Fair” was the most suitable. We’ve tweaked the words of it a few times. We had a recommendation by a stupid government minister that it should be sung in indigenous language, but deciding on which of the 1200 or so languages would have created more disunity. And so it goes on and on and on?

As far as I can see the words in the anthem that cause discomfort to Aboriginals are 'for we are young and free'.
At least that's what they are all quoting lately.
Aboriginal activists pump the fact that they are persecuted - then and now.
Much the same as they say it's 'always been our land and always will be' as a catchphrase.
Truth is Aboriginals enjoy exactly the same freedoms and privileges as white (or any other colour) people in Australia right now ... even more if we are to be honest.
It's a lot easier for activists to infiltrate moderates with catchy slogans and feelings of injustice (although rightly so in many cases) than address the much more pressing issues that are causing Aboriginal communities to break down ... and we're not talking inner city activist communities here.
What you won't hear, or see people marching in numbers for, are activists fighting the real problems facing their people ...high crime rates, lack of education, unemployment and the abuse of women and, even worse, young children.
Changing the date of Australia Day, or a few words in the anthem, won't fix those problems... just like saying 'sorry' didn't.

 

[tigerbalm]

There are a few Australians whose forefathers/mothers were thrown in leg irons after being sentenced to this land for life. There crime?stealing a chook to feed their starving family. And no, their families did not get passage here.
They were treated harshly with regular punishment. Australia became known as a resourceful and courageous country on the back of these people, these convicts who built roads and other infrastructure. They weren’t negative about previous times. They accepted it for what it was, the past, and moved forward. The descendants of these so called convicts don’t spend their lives complaint about terrible treatment of previous generations.

Sure, but many of those same convicts were given grants of land by the British government after it's inhabitants were either killed or moved on with the threat of being killed. Mid last century they granted people a whole country that they took from others.


Former, I don’t want to go into a discussion on who was more harshly done by, I just wanted to point out that they were hard times for everyone. **Particularly the Chinese prospectors. The Aboriginals would *eat* them. It was a tough time.**

Woa...huh?

 

[twentyforty]

There are a few Australians whose forefathers/mothers were thrown in leg irons after being sentenced to this land for life. There crime?stealing a chook to feed their starving family. And no, their families did not get passage here.
They were treated harshly with regular punishment. Australia became known as a resourceful and courageous country on the back of these people, these convicts who built roads and other infrastructure. They weren’t negative about previous times. They accepted it for what it was, the past, and moved forward. The descendants of these so called convicts don’t spend their lives complaint about terrible treatment of previous generations.

Sure, but many of those same convicts were given grants of land by the British government after it's inhabitants were either killed or moved on with the threat of being killed. Mid last century they granted people a whole country that they took from others.


Former, I don’t want to go into a discussion on who was more harshly done by, I just wanted to point out that they were hard times for everyone. **Particularly the Chinese prospectors. The Aboriginals would *eat* them. It was a tough time.**

Woa...huh?

Balm is that a question?
If you want to know more you could read some of the history of the Palmer river gold rush. Some denounce it as myth. I’ve been through that area and was invited by the Wujal Wujal people to stay a couple of nights with them. Wonderful people.

 

[Russell]

Anybody realise that Australians only really became Australians in 1949? That’s when all Australians
(including Aboriginals) were first given their own nationality, not referred to as British subjects, and issued Australian passports instead of British ones.
Guess the date?
I’ll be buggered... January 26.
Nothing to do with Cook or Phillip (neither of whom landed on that date) and any invasion.
A day we all became one people.
It’s been celebrated wrongly for a long time.. if people knew the real reason there wouldn’t be any problems.
Or would there?
The Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Enacted January 26, 1949....tell your kids.

Anybody realise that Australians only really became Australians in 1949? That’s when all Australians
(including Aboriginals) were first given their own nationality, not referred to as British subjects, and issued Australian passports instead of British ones.
Guess the date?
I’ll be buggered... January 26.
Nothing to do with Cook or Phillip (neither of whom landed on that date) and any invasion.
A day we all became one people.
It’s been celebrated wrongly for a long time.. if people knew the real reason there wouldn’t be any problems.
Or would there?
The Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Enacted January 26, 1949....tell your kids.

Didn't realise that, a few hundred thousand Indigenous Australians wouldn't have either.

End of argument to change the date of Australia Day as far as I am concerned.

We have said sorry - do we need to say it 5 million times.

Next, the Anthem - take out "for we are young and free" and substitute relevant words approved by Indigenous Australians.

That only leaves the flag - nothing to get your nickers in a knot over, is it?

 

[tigerbalm]

There are a few Australians whose forefathers/mothers were thrown in leg irons after being sentenced to this land for life. There crime?stealing a chook to feed their starving family. And no, their families did not get passage here.
They were treated harshly with regular punishment. Australia became known as a resourceful and courageous country on the back of these people, these convicts who built roads and other infrastructure. They weren’t negative about previous times. They accepted it for what it was, the past, and moved forward. The descendants of these so called convicts don’t spend their lives complaint about terrible treatment of previous generations.

Sure, but many of those same convicts were given grants of land by the British government after it's inhabitants were either killed or moved on with the threat of being killed. Mid last century they granted people a whole country that they took from others.


Former, I don’t want to go into a discussion on who was more harshly done by, I just wanted to point out that they were hard times for everyone. **Particularly the Chinese prospectors. The Aboriginals would *eat* them. It was a tough time.**

Woa...huh?


Balm is that a question?

Not really, I dont think Id like the answer. Just hadn't heard of that before.

 

[jadtiger]

There are a few Australians whose forefathers/mothers were thrown in leg irons after being sentenced to this land for life. There crime?stealing a chook to feed their starving family. And no, their families did not get passage here.
They were treated harshly with regular punishment. Australia became known as a resourceful and courageous country on the back of these people, these convicts who built roads and other infrastructure. They weren’t negative about previous times. They accepted it for what it was, the past, and moved forward. The descendants of these so called convicts don’t spend their lives complaint about terrible treatment of previous generations.

Sure, but many of those same convicts were given grants of land by the British government after it's inhabitants were either killed or moved on with the threat of being killed. Mid last century they granted people a whole country that they took from others.


Former, I don’t want to go into a discussion on who was more harshly done by, I just wanted to point out that they were hard times for everyone. **Particularly the Chinese prospectors. The Aboriginals would *eat* them. It was a tough time.**

Woa...huh?


Balm is that a question?


Not really, I dont think Id like the answer. Just hadn't heard of that before.

Pauline Hanson believes that they did as it justifies her bigoted views.Europeans of the 1800s believed native populations all over the world were cannibals as it gave them an excuse to treat indigenous badly in their colonies

 

[tigerbalm]

There are a few Australians whose forefathers/mothers were thrown in leg irons after being sentenced to this land for life. There crime?stealing a chook to feed their starving family. And no, their families did not get passage here.
They were treated harshly with regular punishment. Australia became known as a resourceful and courageous country on the back of these people, these convicts who built roads and other infrastructure. They weren’t negative about previous times. They accepted it for what it was, the past, and moved forward. The descendants of these so called convicts don’t spend their lives complaint about terrible treatment of previous generations.

Sure, but many of those same convicts were given grants of land by the British government after it's inhabitants were either killed or moved on with the threat of being killed. Mid last century they granted people a whole country that they took from others.


Former, I don’t want to go into a discussion on who was more harshly done by, I just wanted to point out that they were hard times for everyone. **Particularly the Chinese prospectors. The Aboriginals would *eat* them. It was a tough time.**

Woa...huh?


Balm is that a question?
If you want to know more you could read some of the history of the Palmer river gold rush. Some denounce it as myth. I’ve been through that area and was invited by the Wujal Wujal people to stay a couple of nights with them. Wonderful people.

No worries. I only raised it cause it seems like something someone would say to paint the Aboriginals as savages.

Just did a read on that Palmer river gold rush and it seems the Europeans gave the Chinese a hard time and the Chinese have the Aboriginals opium. No mention or links to cannibalism. Dunno man, could be seen as a racist comment unless you have some articles to link? Maybe just delete the comment and ill do the same? probably doesn't add to the thread anyways.

 

[tigerbalm]

There are a few Australians whose forefathers/mothers were thrown in leg irons after being sentenced to this land for life. There crime?stealing a chook to feed their starving family. And no, their families did not get passage here.
They were treated harshly with regular punishment. Australia became known as a resourceful and courageous country on the back of these people, these convicts who built roads and other infrastructure. They weren’t negative about previous times. They accepted it for what it was, the past, and moved forward. The descendants of these so called convicts don’t spend their lives complaint about terrible treatment of previous generations.

Sure, but many of those same convicts were given grants of land by the British government after it's inhabitants were either killed or moved on with the threat of being killed. Mid last century they granted people a whole country that they took from others.


Former, I don’t want to go into a discussion on who was more harshly done by, I just wanted to point out that they were hard times for everyone. **Particularly the Chinese prospectors. The Aboriginals would *eat* them. It was a tough time.**

Woa...huh?


Balm is that a question?


Not really, I dont think Id like the answer. Just hadn't heard of that before.

Pauline Hanson believes that they did as it justifies her bigoted views.Europeans of the 1800s believed native populations all over the world were cannibals as it gave them an excuse to treat indigenous badly in their colonies

Oh, so she's the basis of the claim. There ya go. It is racist.

 

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There are a few Australians whose forefathers/mothers were thrown in leg irons after being sentenced to this land for life. There crime?stealing a chook to feed their starving family. And no, their families did not get passage here.
They were treated harshly with regular punishment. Australia became known as a resourceful and courageous country on the back of these people, these convicts who built roads and other infrastructure. They weren’t negative about previous times. They accepted it for what it was, the past, and moved forward. The descendants of these so called convicts don’t spend their lives complaint about terrible treatment of previous generations.

Sure, but many of those same convicts were given grants of land by the British government after it's inhabitants were either killed or moved on with the threat of being killed. Mid last century they granted people a whole country that they took from others.


Former, I don’t want to go into a discussion on who was more harshly done by, I just wanted to point out that they were hard times for everyone. **Particularly the Chinese prospectors. The Aboriginals would *eat* them. It was a tough time.**

Woa...huh?


Balm is that a question?


Not really, I dont think Id like the answer. Just hadn't heard of that before.

Pauline Hanson believes that they did as it justifies her bigoted views.Europeans of the 1800s believed native populations all over the world were cannibals as it gave them an excuse to treat indigenous badly in their colonies

Ehhh... some of them were though ! It’s not like they had google to do a quick Wikipedia search. Not justifying it , but come on mate , it was a time for “spreading the glory of the empire”. That was it ! Spanish didn’t matter ,Dutch didn’t matter,French didn’t matter, Chinese didn’t matter , Africans definitely didn’t matter . God even the ones who left for a better life in a distant land didn’t matter . So do you honestly expect that kind of systemic, kind of collective hive mind , to Just turn around and be like ... yep these indigenous people matter .
Hell no ! It’s bust skulls , tear it up , and worry about the fallout another time . That’s a job for Ron or future me .
And everyone was doing it , that had the power to. You can’t Hold modern day morality up against actions from 200 years ago , because , I’d you were to go in a time machine , you would be the crazy one .
All we can do is learn , not guilt trip everyone .

 

[Ponyo]

White boys want same rights
As indigenous cause it's unfair
and they feel discriminated. Lol

 

[Ponyo]

Sailor Colonial mentality
Is going to die out soon.

 

[Ponyo]

Along with your great grand
Parents and other people
You think died in the wars
To preserve my liberties.

 

[Ponyo]

Minorities are becoming
The majority U can't hack it.