Article in the Australian - WT Salary Cap Problems

[fairdinkum]

How easy is it for current management to sit back and blame everything on previous administration?

While I have no doubt they've left us in a mess, putting their hands up and saying everything is to blame on previous admin is too convenient.

Even though it is true? Grow up.

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[goldcoast_tiger]

As has been well documented in the past, the ineptness of the previous Board(s) has led to this mess. I think it is safe to say, that for the next year particularly and to a lesser extent 2017, the Weststigers will be at or near the bottom of the table.
I can live with that - I'm not happy about it, but it is understandable.
A line had to be drawn in the sand - and the new Board has done that. I congratulate them on it. And the fact that a new sponsor is prepared to help finance a team that will be at or near the bottom of the table for a year or two indicates to me that they can see a bright future for the Tigers - albeit someway down the track.
So suck it up people. The tough times are here to stay for a year or two. What's new? What's new, is that there should be real confidence among us that at the end of this phase, we should have a team we can all be proud of and one that is continually competitive at the top end of the competition!

Go you Tiges!

Shes saying 3 years….2018

 

[hybrid_tiger]

How easy is it for current management to sit back and blame everything on previous administration?

While I have no doubt they've left us in a mess, putting their hands up and saying everything is to blame on previous admin is too convenient.

Even though it is true? Grow up.

Keep swallowing the kool aid.

 

[Mccarry]

So a year into the job I go to my boss and have the following conversation.

"When I joined there were 25 contracts for me to read. I knew these contracts were at the heart of what we do. Last week I was reading one for the first time and discovered the same issue that I knew about before I started. Boss, can you believe previous management have back ended contracts."

Boss replies: "So help me understand… you have been here for 12 months, knew about this problem before hand but got surprised last week when you actually read the contracts. Let me give you a lesson in taking responsibility. See this desk..., yes I know its yours... put everything on it into a box in the next five minutes. Im going to call Kapow. If you are still here in five minutes we are going to make a great Terry Tate styke TV ad.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Personally I'm not getting the hate for Marina.

Who is hating on her?

My advice, do what I'm doing, take a little holiday from caring too much about results

You've followed JT then…

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

How easy is it for current management to sit back and blame everything on previous administration?

While I have no doubt they've left us in a mess, putting their hands up and saying everything is to blame on previous admin is too convenient.

I agree mate, it just doesn't make any sense. Our cap situation just doesn't add up on any level.

As fans we've already endured recent garbage for 3 seasons '2012-2014 (don't get me started on the johnny cronk era 2007-2009)

So now we have to bend over for an additional 3 years??? 6 years in total!!! What happened to the re-building 2015, make the top 8 in 2016 and top 4 in 2017? Thanks Wests Tigers for continuing to move the goal posts year in, year out. Whats the bet that next year all of a sudden 2018 starts to drop into these statements, it just keeps stretching out. 2017 was only ever mentioned as success now all of a sudden it too will be a re building year, and then 2018 but hold on fans keep buying those memberships because we will be successful by the 2020's…..maybe closer to 2030....

I don't care what meaningless fluff pieces they want to put out there, this statement doesn't give any answers just stuff we already knew. We are over the cap! We support the coach, The last board is to blame, yada yada yada. The only thing fresh is that Harry T is freed up to do other things with the club, he can finally become a TPA so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel due to this point alone.

The whole situation just doesn't add up and they still come across as inept as the last government we had. i.e you seriously cant negotiate release contracts better then what they obviously are. You cant release 10-20 players sign Kevie and still whinge about cap issues. Why are we still paying so much of other players contracts that we have cut. We are jamming 40 players into our top 25 why the hell not keep a few of them. It just doesn't add up. Even with back ended contracts it still doesn't make sense with the amount of players let go. If we are now in such dire straits thus we had to release so many to alleviate the situation they are essentially saying in those lean years of 2012-2014 we were well over the cap?? I hate comparing us to Parra but geez, if you are rorting the system you'd expect results.

The deck chairs have been cleared for next year, a few wont be re-signed on top of whats already gone this year and with no signings we are still having cap issues for another 2 years?? WTF!! I just cant believe it. Farah must be on 2mill a year, Woods on 1mill, Rowdy on 1mill and the dynamic dud...I mean dynamic duo halves must be taking up 750K each, ahhh ok, it all makes sense now.

How many of the players thatwe want, are going to want to stay at the bottom of the competition.
Be prepared for a further exodus.
Why waste three years of an already short career?

 

[yeti]

As has been well documented in the past, the ineptness of the previous Board(s) has led to this mess. I think it is safe to say, that for the next year particularly and to a lesser extent 2017, the Weststigers will be at or near the bottom of the table.
I can live with that - I'm not happy about it, but it is understandable.
A line had to be drawn in the sand - and the new Board has done that. I congratulate them on it. And the fact that a new sponsor is prepared to help finance a team that will be at or near the bottom of the table for a year or two indicates to me that they can see a bright future for the Tigers - albeit someway down the track.
So suck it up people. The tough times are here to stay for a year or two. What's new? What's new, is that there should be real confidence among us that at the end of this phase, we should have a team we can all be proud of and one that is continually competitive at the top end of the competition!

Go you Tiges!

Shes saying 3 years….2018

Yep, she's saying 3 years to get the salary cap sorted. That does not necessarily mean 3 years before significant signings can be made.

 

[Ryde_Oval]

Why would Marina GO choose The Australian Newspaper to air our dirty washing? A publication not known to be read by Tiger FANS. Perhaps, for ALL us FANS, Marina GO could appear on NRL 360 and answer MANY QUESTIONS??? Afterall she and half the Board were elected by the NRL and whilst they are there, they are puppets to the NRL. I struggle to see any light in the horizon whilst NRL elected officals run OUR Club.

 

[jctiger]

In reference to the strategic plan, I'm reading this as though the books will take 3 years to fix, not that the club expects to compete as poorly as we have this year until 2017.

The two don't always equate. Manly has been a mess for many years off the the field and consistently made the finals.

Personally I'm not getting the hate for Marina. When has anyone ever come out and publicly been that black and white about our cap situation I know a lot of us are like sponges that have taken in all the water we can, but spilling over also doesn't help.

My advice, do what I'm doing, take a little holiday from caring too much about results, make a SuperCoach team to occupy your winter and come back in a year or two! At the end of the day, by saying this I'm not trying to insult or flame anyone, in all honesty. I'm only trying to save people some money on cardiology bills. Things just won't change quickly and realising this over the last few weeks has let me enjoy the flickers of promise in our team without staying awake be,owning our lack of success.

In the words of the greatest newsreader ever, stay classy WTF! :sign:

I know a 2 yr holiday will probably do the job OMT, but I'm sorry mate, I just can't turn off like that.
Wish I could, but it just ain't that easy.

 

[Ed_Reschs]

Can we Sue those responsible for gross negligence

We probably could but given they no longer have a leagues club….

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[Benjirific]

I agree with Hybrid - way to easy for them to just blame the old board for this mess, when in reality there are only a couple contracts that were negotiated and signed under the old administration which extend beyond 2015.

She also explicitly blames the old board for being involved in negotiations with players - I know for a fact that the only current deal which any board member had anything to do with was Farah re-signing his last contract, and if that board member hadn't been involved, the then current NSW hooker and club captain would have left the club. The successful clubs have boards that bring a range of skills, including an ability to assist with player recruitment, which she seems to just want to ignore. People use Nick Politis as an example of the brown paper bag approach, but in reality he has that many business contacts, he can get in touch with one of them when he needs 3rd party money to sign an SBW or Jennings or the like. We're not being told by our Chair that we don't want to be involved in this, basically closing ourselves out of the elite player market.

I've mentioned this in another thread as well, this boards inability to bring 3rd party sponsors to the club and an inability to properly use these is a major reason for our cap problems. Our top players aren't being paid any less than other clubs, it's just that all of our club's players money is going into the cap, but with other clubs it isn't.

Our team is currently regressing, top players don't want to be at the club under the current admin and coach, and we can't recruit anyone…..but it's ok, everything is positive and it's the fault of the people who left the join 2-3 years ago. I'll never stop supporting this team with everything I have, but I won't spend a dollar through WT until these issues are properly sorted and blame stops being shifted.

 

[TrueTiger]

Can we Sue those responsible for gross negligence

We probably could but given they no longer have a leagues club….

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Why blame them,what about others,Humpty,Sheens, BOTH sides of the dis functional board,all seem to have had input to this mess….

 

[TrueTiger]

I agree with Hybrid - way to easy for them to just blame the old board for this mess, when in reality there are only a couple contracts that were negotiated and signed under the old administration which extend beyond 2015.

She also explicitly blames the old board for being involved in negotiations with players - I know for a fact that the only current deal which any board member had anything to do with was Farah re-signing his last contract, and if that board member hadn't been involved, the then current NSW hooker and club captain would have left the club. The successful clubs have boards that bring a range of skills, including an ability to assist with player recruitment, which she seems to just want to ignore. People use Nick Politis as an example of the brown paper bag approach, but in reality he has that many business contacts, he can get in touch with one of them when he needs 3rd party money to sign an SBW or Jennings or the like. We're not being told by our Chair that we don't want to be involved in this, basically closing ourselves out of the elite player market.

I've mentioned this in another thread as well, this boards inability to bring 3rd party sponsors to the club and an inability to properly use these is a major reason for our cap problems. Our top players aren't being paid any less than other clubs, it's just that all of our club's players money is going into the cap, but with other clubs it isn't.

Our team is currently regressing, top players don't want to be at the club under the current admin and coach, and we can't recruit anyone…..but it's ok, everything is positive and it's the fault of the people who left the join 2-3 years ago. I'll never stop supporting this team with everything I have, but I won't spend a dollar through WT until these issues are properly sorted and blame stops being shifted.

Well mate that's a good lecture,however I do think that Go isn't shifting blame from her board to the old…I have followed this club from the very start and the mayhem both sides of the JV board caused at times has been horrific,it appears to me that you would rather lay blame on this new board for the performances on field and on a team that has had to be put together by the new coach to start afresh while the mess gets sorted...

We only hear your side of the one board member that had influence on Farah staying,I bet there are plenty we don't hear of that we're a deadset failure..mate unless you can give me more precise stats than " I know for a fact".then prove it to us..

 

[Newtown]

Can we Sue those responsible for gross negligence

They have taken their money and run. This sort of thing happens with CEO's in business now and then. Hard to pin them down unless you can prove fraud.

 

[Newtown]

I have today received an invitation from Wests Tigers to take part in a Lapsed Member Survey.

The invitation stated " Our records indicate that you have previously held a membership with the Club but have since let your membership lapse. We are continuously trying to improve and develop the Wests Tigers Membership program to ensure that our Members have the best experience possible. We would like to gather feedback from you regarding your decision not to renew your membership with the Club, to learn what we can do differently and where improvements can be made.

Included among the survey's questions was whether the lapsed membership relating to a loss of confidence in West Tigers management. You can guess what I answered. On a positive note the issue of the survey indicates that the club is now from a management point of view trying to turn around what appears to currently be a very low ebb in the club.

 

[jirskyr]

OK so the Chairperson comes out with some fairly dire comments, half the fans say thanks for being honest, half say "it's not good enough".

Take home message for everyone is that anyone who speaks on behalf of the club has an agenda of some kind, and you can't entirely believe or reject anything you hear.

 

[sheer64]

I have today received an invitation from Wests Tigers to take part in a Lapsed Member Survey.

The invitation stated " Our records indicate that you have previously held a membership with the Club but have since let your membership lapse. We are continuously trying to improve and develop the Wests Tigers Membership program to ensure that our Members have the best experience possible. We would like to gather feedback from you regarding your decision not to renew your membership with the Club, to learn what we can do differently and where improvements can be made.

Included among the survey's questions was whether the lapsed membership relating to a loss of confidence in West Tigers management. You can guess what I answered. On a positive note the issue of the survey indicates that the club is now from a management point of view trying to turn around what appears to currently be a very low ebb in the club.

I received one as well although I am a current member. But good to see they are trying to get lapsed members back.

 

[Als_Pals]

Ok we have to take on board what Marina Go is saying. Hopefully the board is working in the right direction to fix this. The players we have is who we are stuck with. Currently they don't make a full 1st grade team.
Now we need a Coach like Wayne Bennett who makes ordinary players become superstars. Unfortunately Jason Taylor is not the right fit. Because of the problems from previous administrations, we are stuck with JT for the next 2 years. Sad times ahead.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I look forward to seeing who the new sponsor will be… When Go was appointed, one of the exciting things was the potential to attract better corporate partners.

Hoping this is a new beginning to seeing swags of income to the club!

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I don't see any problems with her comments. She has been in the role for 12 months and has probably only now got an appreciation of all the rubbish that has been going on. Go probably now feels she fully understands what has been happening and can begin to make structural changes. With a full understanding that there are no more skeletons in the closet, going to the press and explaining to fans is a good piece of transparency.

I actually think 3 years of pain is ambitious. For starters, the club could be going through the turmoil of losing a shareholder in 9 months time. That alone will be painful, but the follow effects could be large and long lasting. For instance, it could entail a new strategic direction of the club and more changes.

Whilst the club will survive, there are large uncertainties over the next 3-5 years. Brace yourself people.