Aussies 2018 tour of South Africa Spoilers

[tig_prmz]

here's my 2 cents worth

12 month bans are extremely harsh on "legal terms". the australian media and public has been definitely over the top with this.

BIG however,

i havent been impressed with the aussie team's behaviour for a long time. the arrogant, holier than thou, up themselves attitude and bullying was the "culture" of the team personified highly by warner. i noticed it more and more during lehmann's tenure.

i really appreciate most of the players' toughness honestly- people like starc, pattinson, cummins etc have had multiple injuries but come back bigger, stronger and faster. you need a lot of mental toughness for that but the aussies have shown no humility when winning or losing. there is a serious lack of respect for other countries, and i repeat this hasn't been there forever- i can see how these player speak in the media and except warner there are humble and down to earth people.

smith definitely doesn't deserve what he got, i used to love watching him bat for nsw after his first stint in the baggy green.

if CA goes on to expain that these bans are over the whole attitude issue with the team i'll cop it, but they cannot possibly ban players based on what we know.

now as for lehmann, i honestly do not see how he didnt know. he was guilty as charged over the walkie talkie and what about peter handcomb SURELYYY he has to be charged for telling bancroft..

as for warner, idk if it was pre-planned or what and im certainly not gonna base the ashes victory on this but a serious investigation has to be done about when the aussies started reverse swinging the kookaburra coz of the middle order collapses in the ashes and ever since warner started wearing tape on his finger a year ago (incidentally when he broke his finger). i read elsewhere that his fingers were in the cameras a lot in the 2nd test- and behold bancroft took over the "ball shining" duties from the next test. a serious investigation needs to be carried out if CA is actually serious about this and not just doing it coz of the overreaction of media and fans.

that's all.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Wrongly?

Imo he was. It was the cricket equivalent of a player blatantly knocking the ball on in the lead up to a try and the refs missing it. No one calls the player a cheat, they give it to the ref. It was a terrible decision, and if the Aussies had not have wasted their reviews it would have been reversed. DRS was put in place for the howlers like that. That's what you save them for. Hate it when teams review every slight chance. Its not there for that.

I agree with this, my feeling was Broad was the wrong target of the anger. Name me one player in any other sport ever, who has come under criticism for accepting an incorrect decision from an official that benefited them. The whole Broadwalk debacle came about because Aleem Dar made an absolutely terrible decision.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Great interview with Jim Maxwell on ABC radio earlier today. He said Warner told Bancroft to do it. Smith overheard and said something like “I don’t want to know what you’re talking about.” Aussie team mates feel Smith has taken a fall for Warner. Apparently team mates saying they don’t ever want Warner in an Aussie dressing room again.
Sanctions and conditions seem to back this up. ie: Warner never to be considered leadership material again but smith and Bancroft can be after 12 months

 

[hobbo]

It's a shame Cricket Australia didn't have the balls to kick Warner off the tour immediately after his stoush with Quinten de Kock then none of this crap would have happened.

Despite what's happened I'd like to see Smith return to the national side
( after he's paid his dues) and to a lesser extent Bancroft .

As for Warner … Cricket doesn't need a flog like him . He's a piece of crap who's always been a stain in the national side and I hope never to see him play again .

 

[sheer64]

I stopped watching and supporting Australian Cricket under the Ponting tenure. Unfortunalely what followed with Clarke was just as bad. Was looking forward to supporting AC again when Clarke retired, only to see Warner, everything I hate about the game.
I cannot accept the coach did not know what was happening nor he was not part of the cheating. The other players involved are still wearing the BG and it is a disgrace. The muppet running AC should be the first to hand in his resignation and ALL the players involved should get life bans from cricket.

God help AC we are the laughing stock of world sport.

 

[happy_tiger]

I stopped watching and supporting Australian Cricket under the Ponting tenure. Unfortunalely what followed with Clarke was just as bad. Was looking forward to supporting AC again when Clarke retired, only to see Warner, everything I hate about the game.
I cannot accept the coach did not know what was happening nor he was not part of the cheating. The other players involved are still wearing the BG and it is a disgrace. The muppet running AC should be the first to hand in his resignation and ALL the players involved should get life bans from cricket.

God help AC we are the laughing stock of world sport.

I didn't see the article with Jimmy Maher

He worked closely with Lehmann for Qld

Did he say he couldn't believe that Lehmann didn't /wouldn't know ??

 

[Telltails]

I cant discount the magnificent performances Smith has delivered for Australian cricket. time and time again Gutsy digs that have saved this team and have kept us competitive.
He will be punishrd for his involvement and so be it, but the knee jerk reactions on good old social media have been completely over the top as usual, by ill informed nut jobs who derive pleasure from kicking a man when he is down.
As for Warner - another great talent who is his own worst enemy.

 

[jadtiger]

Great interview with Jim Maxwell on ABC radio earlier today. He said Warner told Bancroft to do it. Smith overheard and said something like “I don’t want to know what you’re talking about.” Aussie team mates feel Smith has taken a fall for Warner. Apparently team mates saying they don’t ever want Warner in an Aussie dressing room again.
Sanctions and conditions seem to back this up. ie: Warner never to be considered leadership material again but smith and Bancroft can be after 12 months

That seems a very believable scenario.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Great interview with Jim Maxwell on ABC radio earlier today. He said Warner told Bancroft to do it. Smith overheard and said something like “I don’t want to know what you’re talking about.” Aussie team mates feel Smith has taken a fall for Warner. Apparently team mates saying they don’t ever want Warner in an Aussie dressing room again.
Sanctions and conditions seem to back this up. ie: Warner never to be considered leadership material again but smith and Bancroft can be after 12 months

I wrote earlier my initial view is Smith is taking the heat as captain to shield Bancroft.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Seems light penalties to but I'm no cricket person

I think these are the harshest ball tampering penalties ever mate. Cricket is very soft on this issue.

In truth I think Warner is being punished for being a knob, Smith for not controlling him, allowing us to be a laughing stock, and Bancroft for appearances.

This is the first time in decades where ill be this pumped for an Aussie victory if we can get up in the 4th test.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/978989992805650432

 

[Magpies1969]

I agree with lots of the Forum's comments.

Some very intelligent and well articulated opinions.

Agree Warner should have been dropped after his altercation in the 2nd test. Appears to be a talented player but attitude stinks. Will never play for Australia again which is his own doing.

I love watching Smith bat and has saved Australia on countless occasions. If media reports are correct appears to be punished for not controlling Warner. He is too good a player not to play for Australia again.

I think culture as we now see at WT starts at the top. Believe Lehmann needs to be replaced after this next test and give the job of rebuilding our image to Justin Langer.

Team going forward

Burns
Renshaw
Khawaja
Handscomb
Shaun Marsh
Mitch Marsh
Paine (C)
Lyon
Starc
Cummins
Hazlewood

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I agree with lots of the Forum's comments.

Some very intelligent and well articulated opinions.

Agree Warner should have been dropped after his altercation in the 2nd test. Appears to be a talented player but attitude stinks. Will never play for Australia again which is his own doing.

I love watching Smith bat and has saved Australia on countless occasions. If media reports are correct appears to be punished for not controlling Warner. He is too good a player not to play for Australia again.

I think culture as we now see at WT starts at the top. Believe Lehmann needs to be replaced after this next test and give the job of rebuilding our image to Justin Langer.

Team going forward

Burns
Renshaw
Kawaja
Hanscomb
Shaun Marsh
Mitch Marsh
Paine (C)
Lyon
Starc
Cummings

I think making us field a team of 10 players is too harsh a penalty!!

 

[Magpies1969]

I agree with lots of the Forum's comments.

Some very intelligent and well articulated opinions.

Agree Warner should have been dropped after his altercation in the 2nd test. Appears to be a talented player but attitude stinks. Will never play for Australia again which is his own doing.

I love watching Smith bat and has saved Australia on countless occasions. If media reports are correct appears to be punished for not controlling Warner. He is too good a player not to play for Australia again.

I think culture as we now see at WT starts at the top. Believe Lehmann needs to be replaced after this next test and give the job of rebuilding our image to Justin Langer.

Team going forward

Burns
Renshaw
Kawaja
Hanscomb
Shaun Marsh
Mitch Marsh
Paine (C)
Lyon
Starc
Cummings

I think making us field a team of 10 players is too harsh a penalty!!

Sorry forgot Hazlewood which I have now edited. Great pick up

 

[happy_tiger]

Magellan have pulled their sponsorship

You'd think that the CA must be thinking they should of terminated the three's contracts

Channel 9 own the biggest waste of money now , how much would it be worth , more than the NRL possibly ??

Won't be getting sponsors coming forward , don't be surprised if KFC are next …..

 

[old_man_tiger]

On the bright side we are only a match fixing scandal away from landing a Pakistani bank or similar company as a major sponsor, and a corruption incident or two from an Indian motorcycle company. The dollars will flow in.

 

[Fibros]

On the bright side we are only a match fixing scandal away from landing a Pakistani bank or similar company as a major sponsor, and a corruption incident or two from an Indian motorcycle company. The dollars will flow in.

Im surprised CA didn't ban cricket from Australia and take up Baseball.

Interesting to see the punishment for the next ball tampering player from another country and if any punishment on top of the ICC penalty.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Jumble up the names of the 3 cricket cheats and it comes up with: Cameron Smith.
The writing was on the wall really.
Would be a chuckle if cheatin' Storm Cammy's middle name was David.
Trifecta.

 

[happy_tiger]

Coincidence , all three will be available for the Ashes tour in 2019 ??

 

[old_man_tiger]

On the bright side we are only a match fixing scandal away from landing a Pakistani bank or similar company as a major sponsor, and a corruption incident or two from an Indian motorcycle company. The dollars will flow in.

Im surprised CA didn't ban cricket from Australia and take up Baseball.

Interesting to see the punishment for the next ball tampering player from another country and if any punishment on top of the ICC penalty.

Probably a medal of honour if it leads to a victory.

Don't get me wrong, I'm angry at these players and anyone who cheats, but I don't like the idea of such different penalties when there is a body like the ICC to govern this.

Then again, I'm use to it - NRL and Manly 2 days ago is a case in point.