Balmain seek extension..Wests Tigers

[Basil_Tiger]

Read a while back, I think on this forum, that Wests Ashfield were not too keen on buying out Balmain's share in the event of a default by Balmain. If this is so, what then happens? Don't suppose anyone can force Wests to buy Balmain out.

I also read that,i also read that the License defaults to the NRL if either party defaults,ie West Tigers just can't be Wests or Balmain. I think we will all know more towards Sept.,the NRLC won't chop the legs off the JV until the season is over you would think as the TV deal stipulates 16 Clubs. Anyway time will tell.

 

[pHyR3]

My understanding is West's are happy to buy out the balmain share. **They even promised to keep the weststigers name no matter what goes down.** Their main funding source Ashfield is only 3k's from Rozelle.

I'm kind of agnostic about how this goes down. Leichardt council is most at fault imo.

They do like to vote Green around there.

you mean the NRL owns the wests tigers licence and wont permit any other team from playing in the NRL regardless of the owner.

rusty cant just one day say hey, the clubs called the Dubbo Kookaburras on tuesday week; the nrl have to approve it and whatnot and they will not approve the pies

 

[GNR4LIFE]

My understanding is West's are happy to buy out the balmain share. **They even promised to keep the weststigers name no matter what goes down.** Their main funding source Ashfield is only 3k's from Rozelle.

I'm kind of agnostic about how this goes down. Leichardt council is most at fault imo.

They do like to vote Green around there.

you mean the NRL owns the wests tigers licence and wont permit any other team from playing in the NRL regardless of the owner.

rusty cant just one day say hey, the clubs called the Dubbo Kookaburras on tuesday week; the nrl have to approve it and whatnot and they will not approve the pies

They don't have to not approve them, because Wests won't try to change the name.

 

[gallagher]

Read a while back, I think on this forum, that Wests Ashfield were not too keen on buying out Balmain's share in the event of a default by Balmain. If this is so, what then happens? Don't suppose anyone can force Wests to buy Balmain out.

Well if wests don't want the license and no one else wants 50% of the license then i guess there is no license. I don't think that would overly concern the NRL.

 

[tigermac88]

So if Wests Tigers will remain as the Wests Tigers what does it matter who buys Balmains 50% share? I'm trying to wrap my head around this, I have to admit I don't know much about it

 

[Geo]

So if Wests Tigers will remain as the Wests Tigers what does it matter who buys Balmains 50% share? I'm trying to wrap my head around this, I have to admit I don't know much about it

Absolutely doesn't matter,,,All they will gain is 2 seats on the Wests Tigers Board…as well as the responsibility to provide on-going funding as required to the Wests Tigers..

I'm guessing a lot wouldn't even know who the current board members are...

 

[Tiger_Watto]

So if Wests Tigers will remain as the Wests Tigers what does it matter who buys Balmains 50% share? I'm trying to wrap my head around this, I have to admit I don't know much about it

Absolutely doesn't matter,,,All they will gain is 2 seats on the Wests Tigers Board…as well as the responsibility to provide on-going funding as required to the Wests Tigers..

I'm guessing a lot wouldn't even know who the current board members are...

Sounds like marriage, although getting 2 seats is a long stretch :roll

 

[Abraham]

I remember years ago that Balmain were seriously pursuing the option of opening a second Leagues Club at Homebush.

From memory the State Govt. were a bit unsure about sticking a pokies and alcohol venue in the middle of the Olympic precinct, and never gave them the green light.

I think this makes much more sense than flogging the dead horse that is Victoria Rd, Rozelle. A new club in a new area with a new local market that is not hostile to you. However foresight appears not to be the forte of the current club administration.

This is obviously all meaningless now. They will die while still fighting to re-open a club at Rozelle.

 

[supercoach]

I remember years ago that Balmain were seriously pursuing the option of opening a second Leagues Club at Homebush.

From memory the State Govt. were a bit unsure about sticking a pokies and alcohol venue in the middle of the Olympic precinct, and never gave them the green light.

I think this makes much more sense than flogging the dead horse that is Victoria Rd, Rozelle. A new club in a new area with a new local market that is not hostile to you. However foresight appears not to be the forte of the current club administration.

This is obviously all meaningless now. They will die while still fighting to re-open a club at Rozelle.

The problem now is they have debt coming out their nose and no assets,so they are in no position to finance a new venture. Even if the new development gets the go ahead all they get is space at market rent to operate a leagues club,not only to they have to fit the club out,but they have to make it into a going concern and they struggled to do that in years gone by because the population had changed over the years from club goers to trendies!!

 

[batboy]

How is it overly harsh?

Balmain have proven (time and time again) they CAN NOT fund 1/2 an NRL team - How on gods green earth were they ever going to pay for a Team alone? Are you remembering the merge money they have blown?, Benny's bail out money? and the NRL grant that is also gone… And you guessed it BALMAIN ARE STILL BROKE!!

And the Juniors you mention - Are being funded by Ryde Eastwood and Ashfield... They seem to be doing a fine job with them.

You will find, When the group that owns the club actually has money, And isn't trying to pay back debts from a decade ago - Our position in the player market will also improve....

Because it's my opinion. You can shout all you want but I disagree with your assessment. The teams I referred to operate NRL teams with little or no licensed club contributions.

The juniors thing is about affiliation not funding. It's still up to Balmain Football Club as to what it does with its juniors.

**And neither Balmain nor Wests have ever funded half of the NRL team. That's one of the greay untruths. The NRL grant massively dwarfs club contributions**.

That's a bit of a furphy - all clubs rely heavily on NRL grants. The point is Balmain don't meet the financial arrangement they entered in to - Wests Group do.

Um no you said the same thing. All clubs rely heavily on NRL grants. My comment was in answer to the suggestion that either Balmain or Wests contribution to the WT is a make or break thing. The question is whether the potential losses from the Balmain contribution are equal to or greater than the loss of juniors, fans and goodwill from shutting out Balmain and whether all this is worth Wests Ashfield taking majority ownership, I'd argue the answers are no for both.

I NEVER said Leagues Club money was make or break… But if you think we will survive (Not to mention be competitive) on 6000 members and the NRL grant - You're as deluded as the Balmain folk. Canterbury (just down the road) throw 4 mil (Last I heard) at the NRL club...
I'm sure we'll have no problem competing with them - And we won't have to worry about the Juniors, They'll all be playing up the road for more money....
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And your question isn't a question at all - Nobody is "shutting Out" Balmain, Nor saying that Wests Ashfield will or should become a soul owner (Although it's most likely)

BALMAIN are busted!! Period
Bad decision after bad decision... Over a long time. (Wonder if they regret not buying LeMontage for a steal way back when?)

They real questions are:
- Can Balmain afford a top Flight competitive NRL club,
- If No - When or will this position ever change?
- Are Balmain governing and funding the Junior Leagues in the Area
- If yes, For how long (In their current predicament)
And Lastly....
- Could Wests Tigers or Wests Ashfield manage the area should Balmain Fold?

Argue all you like - When you can't pay for fuel, It's time to sell the car!!

 

[magpiecol]

It is a sad day when most people want to kill off one of your parents.

Personally I would like to see ( if Balmain have no further affiliation with West Tigers) that the club revert to Western Suburbs with a Magpie as the logo.

No Balmain - no Tiger - no me.

Can't continue without a family history myself.

Sorry our club is the Weststigers and the Tiger is our logo …I supported the Magpies for over 50 yrs there dead and buried ..this club is the future for all of us now and the future that the younger generation only know .If by chance the Wests group buy into the venture further nothing will change and nor should it as I said in my last post take the emotion out of this.. the Magpie I supported most of my life is in the past and should never be resurrected My club is the Weststigers no other!

Snake, like yourself I followed Wests since 1958 and then the Weststigers from 2000\. However, the Weststigers is made up of the Balmain Tigers and the Western Suburbs Magpies.

If the Balmain Tigers are no longer, then that just leaves the Western Suburbs Magpies does it not?

Now if I was the WSM and I had the sole ownership and financial responsibility for the team, then it would be called the Wests Magpies. Simple really.

Don't underestimate the popularity of the Magpie.

Most who supported the Magpies with me are in Rookwood and my 3 grandkids and there mates like to watch the Magpies fly around ..that is about the sum of it mate .

Well you and I are still here Snake and that is a good thing.

However you are missing my point. If you or I own something outright, then you or I are entitled to name that something what we like.

No doubt if it ever comes about that Wests become the owners of the franchise, then, barring any agreement with the NRL, surveys will be taken to see if a change of name is viable. If not, then the status quo will remain. If the survey shows that a change of name and logo is ok, then that's what will happen. It will not be the end of the world, it is a footy team for God's sake.

 

[Abraham]

barring any agreement with the NRL

You have said it yourself Col.

The NRL wont allow them to go back to "Western Suburbs Magpies".

The NRL License Agreement is not between the NRL and Western Suburbs, but between the NRL and Wests Tigers (regardless of who owns the Wests Tigers Corporate entity).

The chance of a survey to change the name is about as likely as Hitler being awarded a posthumous Nobel Peace Prize.

And thankfully so.

 

[Russell]

Thanks for the negative hobbo2803 - you obviously have no idea what I was trying to say.

It was a comment by me - no negative to Wests Tigers in my post, so what are you on about.

I followed Balmain Tigers for 5o years and the Wests Tigers and the Balmain Juniors for the past 15 years also. Geo, Balmain may not have voting rights at the moment but they are still 50% of Wests Tigers, so apart from my first 5 years they have been a large part of my life.

I commend you guys for being able to just strip away your heritage, tribal roots etc. I can't do that. While I have been a loyal Wests tigers supporter - (one of the few on here that did not get caught up in "them v us crap" and all the negative stuff about Farah and JT) I do not want to be negative with regards to Wests Tigers.

Mine, was a simple statement that if Balmain is no longer involved it is not going to be the same for me (everyone else can do as they please, that is their prerogative - I am not trying to change anyone elses opinion or persuade them to be the same as mine) or can one not have an opinion that is different than anyone elses.

hobbo2803 - pot calling the kettle black - you are one of the most negative posters on here and you call me negative. Get a life Mate!

 

[TrueTiger]

Thanks for the negative hobbo2803 - you obviously have no idea what I was trying to say.

It was a comment by me - no negative to Wests Tigers in my post, so what are you on about.

I followed Balmain Tigers for 5o years and the Wests Tigers and the Balmain Juniors for the past 15 years also. Geo, Balmain may not have voting rights at the moment but they are still 50% of Wests Tigers, so apart from my first 5 years they have been a large part of my life.

I commend you guys for being able to just strip away your heritage, tribal roots etc. I can't do that. While I have been a loyal Wests tigers supporter - (one of the few on here that did not get caught up in "them v us crap" and all the negative stuff about Farah and JT) I do not want to be negative with regards to Wests Tigers.

Mine, was a simple statement that if Balmain is no longer involved it is not going to be the same for me (everyone else can do as they please, that is their prerogative - I am not trying to change anyone elses opinion or persuade them to be the same as mine) or can one not have an opinion that is different than anyone elses.

hobbo2803 - pot calling the kettle black - you are one of the most negative posters on here and you call me negative. Get a life Mate!

Russ,I can understand what your saying,some can get over things quicker than others,to me the pain of having to merge with the Maggies was hard to take originally,not the merge itself,but not having Balmain Tigers as a whole to support anymore..I was a Balmain boy all my life,BUT TO TELL YOU TRUTHFULLY I have adapted well to the JV and absolutely love my Maggies brothers and sisters…dont let dissapointment get in your way,if Balmain no longer exist,it will be in the history books,you have the WTs and all of us with differing opinions and insights to contend with..look to the future my friend,please dont dwell in the past,no good will come of it...Hopefully the Balmain side can resurect itself ,who knows...

 

[rex2ce]

I still have a soft spot for Balmain too, but I'm glad they are not controlling West Tigers, doubt we d have a team to follow

 

[Russell]

I don't want Balmain to control rex2ce - nor Western Suburbs - They are the Wests Tigers now.

TT - I really am not dwelling in the past - just want them as part of WT rather than oblivion.
Was not happy when they joined the Magpies (vice versa I am sure) but that was the way both could go on and survive - I accepted that. However to then be deleted - emptyness.

I know all the positives but I still don't want one of our parents put down.

 

[Benjirific]

It should probably be remembered that the current WT management can't be doing much of a bang-up job themselves - made clear by the fact BT's loan from the NRL is growing because they're making up half of WT's losses, and these are being made with no BT involvement in management whatsoever (I've been told that prior to Pascoe starting last year, WT would rarely even update BT about the goings on at the club).

I'm disappointed the discussions from the WT end aren't surrounding a way to keep BT involved in some measure, including if that means reducing ownership down from %50 to something else. I know we've all become very tribal as former WM or BT fans, but for the good of WT I think we should always be finding a way for both of our heritage partners to stay involved. We have over 200 years of history as a club, something we should really embrace rather than attempt to step away from.

 

[boonboon]

http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2016/01/27/wests_tigers_meeting.html

Listen from about 7 minutes 50 seconds

1\. Confirming the Balmain have been involved in key decisions
2\. Confirming that under the deed the club will remain Wests Tigers - Name, Colours, Logo no matter what ownership changes included

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't want Balmain to control rex2ce - nor Western Suburbs - They are the Wests Tigers now.

TT - I really am not dwelling in the past - just want them as part of WT rather than oblivion.
Was not happy when they joined the Magpies (vice versa I am sure) but that was the way both could go on and survive - I accepted that. However to then be deleted - emptyness.

I know all the positives but I still don't want one of our parents put down.

The buck stops with them, if they move on from the JV, that is their prerogative. No one is "putting a parent down."

 

[hobbo]

Thanks for the negative hobbo2803 - you obviously have no idea what I was trying to say.

It was a comment by me - no negative to Wests Tigers in my post, so what are you on about.

I followed Balmain Tigers for 5o years and the Wests Tigers and the Balmain Juniors for the past 15 years also. Geo, Balmain may not have voting rights at the moment but they are still 50% of Wests Tigers, so apart from my first 5 years they have been a large part of my life.

I commend you guys for being able to just strip away your heritage, tribal roots etc. I can't do that. While I have been a loyal Wests tigers

supporter - (one of the few on here that did not get caught up in "them v us crap" and all the negative stuff about Farah and JT) I do not want to be negative with regards to Wests Tigers.

Mine, was a simple statement that if Balmain is no longer involved it is not going to be the same for me (everyone else can do as they please, that is their prerogative - I am not trying to change anyone elses opinion or persuade them to be the same as mine) or can one not have an opinion that is different than anyone elses.

hobbo2803 - pot calling the kettle black - you are one of the most negative posters on here and you call me negative. Get a life Mate!

Wow !!!
So you supported Balmain for 50 years ?
Sounds like you were a closet supporter to me .
If your happy to change to a magpies logo , and I suppose the magpies colours ?
Cause it would look quite silly in Orange , black and white .
I suppose all the the ex Balmain supporters would grasp with open arms at the concept and no fans would be lost to the brand Wests Tigers .
So glad you don't have anything to do with Wests Tigers ( Administrative wise ).
Ps if you need the bandwagon let me know cause that what it sounds like when you were with Balmain !