Balmain steamrolled by NRL

[supercoach]

I come from the Balmain side of the JV and I understand the NRL putting certain conditions in place, I just think they should have had equal voting rights till the deadline date. If by than they could not pay their debt and pay their ongoing financial commitment, than the partnership is disolved.

I know the NRL wants to keep the brand name and logo if and when the JV is terminated or is taken over solely be Wests, if this is the case, I wonder if Balmain have any legal rights with the name Tiger and the Logo ?????

Anyway would be wonderful for a fairy god mother to come along and bail us out, but in reality that is not going to happen. In the end bad management and bad luck will be the two main factors that destroy Balmain

 

[magpiecol]

I just typed out a lengthy post but it went up into the ether.

To sum up;-
1\. I was disappointed in the vitriol put out by Balmain supporters

2\. Balmain agreed to the conditions set out by the NRL.

3\. It is like blaming your bank for repossessing your home after you fail to pay the mortgage.

4\. West Ashfield and Wests Campbelltown are well run and profitable enterprises.

5\. The combined business acumen of both of these clubs and the recently appointed board should ensure that our club will be well run and profitable into the future.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Seems like half the 2100 Magpie fanatics have been on this forum all along pretending to support the WestsTigers joint venture.
Pretty easy to see the perverse joy some people have about half our club having problems.
Et tu, Brute?

No mate

Speaking for myself, and not for everyone else and generalising like most and yourself are doing here. …I have no joy at Balmains plight.

What irks me as an EX Magpie and now WTs fan, is Balmain fans pointing the finer at Wests for their troubles.

If the show was on the other foot Id be sad but accept and be grateful I still have WTs even without Magpies, but it seems many here are balmain first and then WTs

LOOK AT YOUR OWN BACKYARD!

Well put Ink

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

A) the NRL now controls us. The NRL has agendas that don't necessarily suit our club, and we are now powerless to do anything about that.

On the surface you can argue the NRL "controls us", but they are bound by Corps Act and must act in best interests of shareholders (Wests and Balmain). If it was proven a director made a decision in the best interests of the NRL, it will be straight to court and the NRL would be in all sorts as an organistion. Although it would get muddy if the NRL is seen as a creditor…

I don't understand all these responses. Countless posters on here over the past 12 months have been screaming for "independents" on our board and when they finally arrive.....hell has frozen over.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Count me out, I'm not a fanatic anymore due to telling them one too many times the Magpies weren't coming back to first grade. Stop assuming that every Magpie supporter is both reveling in this and counting down the days till the Maggies return to the NRL. Most are sick of the Magpies getting the blame for Balmains plight though, and rightfully so.

 

[NT_Tiger]

I don't understand all these responses. Countless posters on here over the past 12 months have been screaming for "independents" on our board and when they finally arrive…..hell has frozen over.

Nothing to understand. It's the same seagulls squabbling over the cast off chips. There is absolutely no basis to it, both sides knew what was coming with the deal, they just need to squabble. It would be amusing if it wasn't so repetitive.

 

[Tigerdon]

If Balmian is cut out of the WTs. Will Balmain become a club similar to Newtown?
How much support will WT'ers have from people attending games?
How much will WT'ers membership go down by?
Which club would benefit most from their junior talent?

 

[Telltails]

Just remember its not the 4m debt alone but the continuous funding required.

Can"t expect Wests group to fund without extra seat on board for what …..........so some talk of LO as the spiritual home with 3k today.

Balmain.

The world does not revolve around you.

A bit harsh Magpie Magic just remember how the board acted was not representative of what the fans would have wanted, and hence they are now the victims of bad decision making. While you can feel comfort in knowing that your side of the merger is in a comfortable position, I am sure there is a few old Balmain fans feeling less than happy about the situation. This will test the fans to see if they are Wests Tigers through and through - had we not united in 2000 we wouldn't be discussing either club today, so at least be thankful for that.

 

[tigerdud]

I'm a long time Balmain Tigers fan, but now a proud Wests Tigers fan. I attended a function at Penrith Panthers earlier this week and they have done a great job at basing their club slap bang in the middle of rugby league heartland. It seems to me that the future of our club should be the same. We need to stop playing games at LO and training at Concord and dive into the south west of Sydney, splitting our games between Campbelltown and Homebush and investing into he community there. Wests Tigers need to play to their strengths and I suspect a neutral board will see this too.

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[Magpie_Magic]

Just remember its not the 4m debt alone but the continuous funding required.

Can"t expect Wests group to fund without extra seat on board for what …..........so some talk of LO as the spiritual home with 3k today.

Balmain.

The world does not revolve around you.

A bit harsh Magpie Magic just remember how the board acted was not representative of what the fans would have wanted, and hence they are now the victims of bad decision making. While you can feel comfort in knowing that your side of the merger is in a comfortable position, I am sure there is a few old Balmain fans feeling less than happy about the situation. This will test the fans to see if they are Wests Tigers through and through - had we not united in 2000 we wouldn't be discussing either club today, so at least be thankful for that.

I agree and take no comfort.

I don't want NRL control of club thanks to Balmain.

Looking at the tele article today its all about whether Balmain fans will have a club to support.

I have been down this road before with my club. I haven't liked the way RL has evolved for 30 years but am happy to support this new club the WT based 50 50 on Wests and Balmain. For me Balmain s implosion threatens this and Perth is now routinely mentioned.

How about Wests and WT fans.

No.

The world does not revolve round Balmain.

 

[cqtiger]

The saddest thing from all of this is that we will never be one club. I really don't know why but there are some very caustic posts and reply posts.

Even so called "Wests Tigers only" posters are taking delight in the plight of the Balmain situation.

So very sad.

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[happy_tiger]

The saddest thing from all of this is that we will never be one club. I really don't know why but there are some very caustic posts and reply posts.

Even so called "Wests Tigers only" posters are taking delight in the plight of the Balmain situation.

So very sad.

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Actually I reckon one way or the other we only we can only move forward with one member of the JV

And I couldn't care less if it was Wests or Balmain that folded

I think a lot of people can finally see that CQ

 

[Abraham]

Keep talking sh*t champ, it's what you do best.

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I don't know about that, I'm told I'm really good at gardening but to be fair I do talk shit to the grass while I cut it so maybe you're right.

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Quick maths lesson for you … Three is a BIGGER number than two.

That means the NRL trumps wests votes every day of the week, on EVERY issue that arises.

So the wests 'voting power' that you alluded to is non existent. Two votes or zero votes, it don't matter, NRL wins everytime.

We are effectively under NRL administration until further notice.

Ponder that while your gardening, and thinking up your next smug response.

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Like I said, in your bitter twisted world you expect the NRL board members and wests board members to be at loggerheads at all times? Take off the tin foil hat and just think for a moment that possibly all party's want the club to go in the same direction? To be honest now that balmain are gone its one less road block to a unified club.

The argument " without balmain the NRL can outvote wests/balmain" is just stupid. 15 years have shown it won't work.

New board new times. Just sit back and relax. With the NRL and Wests group looking after the show I feel we are in good hands.

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Just one more time for you, read it slowly … Three is a bigger number than two.

The magpies are as powerless as Balmain on the new board.

The NRLs vision of abandoning suburban grounds for super stadiums, and culling sydney teams and promoting expansion, are just two agendas that can hurt us.

The very fact we as a club don't even haves say over any major issues that arise should scare the pants off everyone.

Independent directors work as a circuit breaker, not as the overriding power base.

Your probably too delirious with pleasure over your misguided notion that the magpies are now 'in power' to even realise the potential ramifications.

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[barra]

A lot of assumptions being made here

Why assume the independent directors will think and vote as a block? Yes, the NRL has selected them… because they are qualified and accomplished individuals! I would think they are quite capable of properly considering decisions that will need to be made and having their own opinions. Opinions based on experience and success.

And why assume that the board will continually be at loggerheads and arguing anyway?

I'm not going to assume anything, but certainly hope that the club ceases being a basket case and becomes more successful on and OFF the field.

There is simply no point in worrying about things that haven't happened yet, is there??

 

[guyofthetiger]

The saddest thing from all of this is that we will never be one club. I really don't know why but there are some very caustic posts and reply posts.

Even so called "Wests Tigers only" posters are taking delight in the plight of the Balmain situation.

So very sad.

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I agree. I'm an old Balmain supporter but I now feel allegiance to both teams.
I see them as the grandparents of the JV: to be respected and to be revered - whether they get drunk at Xmas and make an arse of themselves or not.
I can't understand the infighting at all.
The club loses a few games and suddenly cannibalism's back on the menu.
With this and with Potter, there doesn't seem to be much value placed in loyalty around the club at the moment.
Scapegoating at its worst.

 

[diedpretty]

I don't know about that, I'm told I'm really good at gardening but to be fair I do talk s*** to the grass while I cut it so maybe you're right.

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Quick maths lesson for you … Three is a BIGGER number than two.

That means the NRL trumps wests votes every day of the week, on EVERY issue that arises.

So the wests 'voting power' that you alluded to is non existent. Two votes or zero votes, it don't matter, NRL wins everytime.

We are effectively under NRL administration until further notice.

Ponder that while your gardening, and thinking up your next smug response.

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Like I said, in your bitter twisted world you expect the NRL board members and wests board members to be at loggerheads at all times? Take off the tin foil hat and just think for a moment that possibly all party's want the club to go in the same direction? To be honest now that balmain are gone its one less road block to a unified club.

The argument " without balmain the NRL can outvote wests/balmain" is just stupid. 15 years have shown it won't work.

New board new times. Just sit back and relax. With the NRL and Wests group looking after the show I feel we are in good hands.

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Just one more time for you, read it slowly … Three is a bigger number than two.

The magpies are as powerless as Balmain on the new board.

The NRLs vision of abandoning suburban grounds for super stadiums, and culling sydney teams and promoting expansion, are just two agendas that can hurt us.

The very fact we as a club don't even haves say over any major issues that arise should scare the pants off everyone.

Independent directors work as a circuit breaker, not as the overriding power base.

Your probably too delirious with pleasure over your misguided notion that the magpies are now 'in power' to even realise the potential ramifications.

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So if that's the case Abraham why did Balmain do this deal with the NRL knowing full well it could lead to what you are suggesting. They had the option to accept Wests Ashfields offer to pay their debts to WT for the loss of only one voting right and keep the NRL out of it. Wests Ashfield would have maintained the status quo, no threats of a move to Perth, your beloved Tiger still our logo - yes they may have moved more games to ANZ based on being a good business decision more than anything else. But no Balmains paranoia, poor business sense and arrogant belief that they are the major partner in this JV and their desire to stick it up the Wests Group have put both themselves and WT in a position where they will have no say on their future. Well done.

 

[cktiger]

Seems like half the 2100 Magpie fanatics have been on this forum all along pretending to support the WestsTigers joint venture.
Pretty easy to see the perverse joy some people have about half our club having problems.
Et tu, Brute?

No mate

Speaking for myself, and not for everyone else and generalising like most and yourself are doing here. …I have no joy at Balmains plight.

What irks me as an EX Magpie and now WTs fan, is Balmain fans pointing the finer at Wests for their troubles.

If the show was on the other foot Id be sad but accept and be grateful I still have WTs even without Magpies, but it seems many here are balmain first and then WTs

LOOK AT YOUR OWN BACKYARD!

Haven't read too many posts from anybody blaming Wests for Balmain's problems (and how could they really).
I can, however, sense a lot of people who perceived they were being treated like the ugly stepbrother revelling in Balmain's problems.
I also thought that both Balmain and Wests shared the same 'BACKYARD' that was renamed WestsTigers …it seems that yourself and plenty of others never really gave up their small section of the yard.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

FMD… What a grand way to end the year. Another early Mad Monday and the same old recycled rubbish on here.

 

[adamtiger]

Correct me if im wrong, even though theres three 'independant directors' with one being a chairman(has the final say). It doesnt mean that the three indepdndant directors always have to vote inline with one another on business decisions. Theres now 5 on the board as before it was an even number between balmain and wests.

saying nrl have a direct control of theclub is incorrect (I think), it just meanst business decisions with the best interests if wests tigers will be voted with an outcome. This process simply takes the emotion and pride out if business decisions now between the two sides of the jv.

If wests want to keep going down the pride road and looking out for their half of the jv… wests tigers as a whole will definetly lose

 

[genoshan]

While I would love to see the Magpies back in the NRL, I believe that will not happen BUT now is the time to give the Magpies side of the JV the recognition it both deserves and needs. Most of the Magpie supporters are so sick of seeing merchandise that is only black and orange, so sick of the tiny magpie being forgotten on every 2nd new jersey type, sick of being threatened with no more Campbo games, yet LO gets less in attendance and its not even mentioned…

Balmain can only blame poor decisions made by their board in the past and current times.

FYI , it might seem like nothing, but recently the Magpies Fanatics remade the RMC jersey for supporters to purchase, well in excess of 100 were sold, with profits going to the Magpies. They also are a sleeve sponsor, throwing in money to fund the club and many other things.