Balmain Tigers face extinction

[tigerbalm]

I just want to say to all the people on this forum, when your side of the merger is hurting it doesn't help when the other side of the merger puts the boot in. If you have nothing good to say, stay out of it. That's why Balmain matters, that's why the Magpie matters.
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I think you will find that there are a contingent of magpies fans that have felt their clubs heritage as been " close to extinction" for a decade but it has fallen in deaf ears. I can recall many threads that the same contingent has been told to " get over it" so this situation could be seen to be bittersweet…by that contingent...who ever they are...just my humble opinion of the situation.
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[Gary_Bakerloo]

I think you will find that there are a contingent of magpies fans that have felt their clubs heritage as been " close to extinction" for a decade but it has fallen in deaf ears. I can recall many threads that the same contingent has been told to " get over it" so this situation could be seen to be bittersweet…by that contingent...who ever they are...just my humble opinion of the situation.

I think you are 100% correct. The article suggests a rally is being organised for the development. A rally was conducted in Campbelltown regarding the state of rugby and lack of representation at senior level. Those who organised that rally were slammed from pillar to post on this forum, told to forget Western Suburbs as a senior rugby league team ordered to move forward and embrace Wests Tigers. To recap, have a browse through this discussion:

http://www.weststigersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10842

Many of the comments directed at those who organised that rally can now be directed to those pushing for this redevelopment.

This will be a test to see if we are really the Wests Tigers, or if we are just Wests Tigers when it's convenient for our original club, be it Western Suburbs or Balmain.

 

[cktiger]

The comments posted in the Foxtel website which refers to the DT article indicates that many of the public are incorrectly intepreting it as the likely emise of the West Tigers not Balmain.

Yes but if balmain cannot provide their cash then I'm sorry it's wests all the way. No one has given wests the time of day during this merger. I hope they **push for an even spread**. No more should they put up with orange jerseys, getting shafted by the coach on nsw cup nor should they accept this crap about LO. It's time we moved with the future which means 6 games at c'town and 6 games at lidcombe oval.
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This has to be the biggest load of drivel ever to appear on this forum .
How does an even spread have no orange in the jersey (what colour are tigers again?)
And I can just see our crowd figures going through the roof having 6 games each at Cambo and Lidcombe (no games at Leichhardt or Allianz?) :laughing:
As for getting shafted by the coach and the NSW Cup - well new coach etc this year and doesn't have anything to do with Balmain Leagues Club.
Too many Reschs under your belt when you wrote that one , Ed.

 

[mikey]

As a Wests man through and through I gotta say this gives me no pleasure what so ever.

Its strange any Wests Tigers fan would need to point this out…

Clearly i'm both strange and felt the need to point this out.

X 2 on the point if it was Wests not Balmain in this position.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I simply want to see the Tigers redevelopment happen so that the following can happen:

1\. Grants to Balmain Tigers RLFC so that they can honour their half of the financial obligations to WT, it wouldn't be fair to the Wests Group to pick up the tab;
2\. Balmain Tigers can continue on in Bundy Cup, just as I suggested with the Magpies;
3\. Provide funding to the juniors in the Leichhardt area.

I don't want to see this happen because I want to see Balmain back in the NRL, have 12 games a year at LO or anything outlandish like that.

 

[Balmain_Supporter]

The Australian newspaper is reporting that Benny Elias is exiting from the Rozelle Village project. This remains to be seen. No doubt Mr Elias's work as a lobbyist for Rozelle Village Pty Ltd is now also done, as per the closed doors agreement. Or is it a case of someone leaving a sinking ship. You be the judge. The fact remains that MR Ian Wright, proprietor and Managing Director of Belle Property in Double Bay and his Japanese partner are still going ahead with the application.

Balmain Leagues Club still has a vested interest in the project and will receive a commission for floor space from Rozelle Village in return for their lobbying. Dont believe me? Its in black and white in their annual report to members. Fact.

The residents in Waterloo Street desperately need your help to avert disaster.

No matter how you vote or who you are with, this issue transcends political interests.

This was confirmed last Tuesday, in ordinary Leichhardt Council meeting, with Liberal, Greens and Labor joining in solidarity as one, to show their support to residents.

Please object to the Rozelle Village proposal. Its way too tall and is out of scale.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/elias-dilutes-tigers-investment/story-e6frg6nf-1226530790138

 

[Yossarian]

It's 5km from the CBD on one of the main transport roads for Sydney. The good people of Rozelle can't pretend they live in a vacuum and not in a global city. It's inner-city Sydney for heaven's sake. Leagues club or not people have to live somewhere. I sincerely doubt the residents in Waterlook Street need any help at all. I'm sure they're doing just fine.

And why does it matter if his partner is supposedly Japanese? How is that relevant?

 

[LaT]

The Australian newspaper is reporting that Benny Elias is exiting from the Rozelle Village project. This remains to be seen. No doubt Mr Elias's work as a lobbyist for Rozelle Village Pty Ltd is now also done, as per the closed doors agreement. Or is it a case of someone leaving a sinking ship. You be the judge. The fact remains that MR Ian Wright, proprietor and Managing Director of Belle Property in Double Bay and his Japanese partner are still going ahead with the application.

Balmain Leagues Club still has a vested interest in the project and will receive a commission for floor space from Rozelle Village in return for their lobbying. Dont believe me? Its in black and white in their annual report to members. Fact.

The residents in Waterloo Street desperately need your help to avert disaster.

No matter how you vote or who you are with, this issue transcends political interests.

This was confirmed last Tuesday, in ordinary Leichhardt Council meeting, with Liberal, Greens and Labor joining in solidarity as one, to show their support to residents.

Please object to the Rozelle Village proposal. Its way too tall and is out of scale.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/elias-dilutes-tigers-investment/story-e6frg6nf-1226530790138

No.

 

[matty_tiepie]

Balmain Supporter. mate what do you want at the site. the whole area is a disgrace and is os run down. Shops clossed and bordered up Graffiti all over the place. Whats wrong with you people have you no forsight at all. The damn greeny loonies and basket weavers in the area would have us all living in caves and never develop ANYTHING EVER!!!!.

Do you think people living in Waterloo strett are special and need to be protected from those nasty people who actually want to build something good for the area.

It has been an ugly eyesore for years and you would rather look at rubbish and graffiti than a brand new development with new jobs shops and the leagues club.

Damn do gooders

 

[FARANGALANG]

The comments posted in the Foxtel website which refers to the DT article indicates that many of the public are incorrectly intepreting it as the likely emise of the West Tigers not Balmain.

Yes but if balmain cannot provide their cash then I'm sorry it's wests all the way. No one has given wests the time of day during this merger. I hope they **push for an even spread**. No more should they put up with orange jerseys, getting shafted by the coach on nsw cup nor should they accept this crap about LO. It's time we moved with the future which means 6 games at c'town and 6 games at lidcombe oval.
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This has to be the biggest load of drivel ever to appear on this forum .
How does an even spread have no orange in the jersey (what colour are tigers again?)
And I can just see our crowd figures going through the roof having 6 games each at Cambo and Lidcombe (no games at Leichhardt or Allianz?) :laughing:
As for getting shafted by the coach and the NSW Cup - well new coach etc this year and doesn't have anything to do with Balmain Leagues Club.
Too many Reschs under your belt when you wrote that one , Ed.

Time to look at the future 6 games C'town and 6 games LIDCOMBE.haha :laughing: :laughing: Does Pratten park get a run too Ed.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The comments posted in the Foxtel website which refers to the DT article indicates that many of the public are incorrectly intepreting it as the likely emise of the West Tigers not Balmain.

Yes but if balmain cannot provide their cash then I'm sorry it's wests all the way. No one has given wests the time of day during this merger. I hope they **push for an even spread**. No more should they put up with orange jerseys, getting shafted by the coach on nsw cup nor should they accept this crap about LO. It's time we moved with the future which means 6 games at c'town and 6 games at lidcombe oval.
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This has to be the biggest load of drivel ever to appear on this forum .
How does an even spread have no orange in the jersey (what colour are tigers again?)
And I can just see our crowd figures going through the roof having 6 games each at Cambo and Lidcombe (no games at Leichhardt or Allianz?) :laughing:
As for getting shafted by the coach and the NSW Cup - well new coach etc this year and doesn't have anything to do with Balmain Leagues Club.
Too many Reschs under your belt when you wrote that one , Ed.

Ed will be eating a nice, big, juicy fish tonight for dinner methinks

 

[innsaneink]

I simply want to see the Tigers redevelopment happen so that the following can happen:

1\. Grants to Balmain Tigers RLFC so that they can honour their half of the financial obligations to WT, it wouldn't be fair to the Wests Group to pick up the tab;
2\. Balmain Tigers can continue on in Bundy Cup, just as I suggested with the Magpies;
3\. Provide funding to the juniors in the Leichhardt area.

I don't want to see this happen because I want to see Balmain back in the NRL, have 12 games a year at LO or anything outlandish like that.

Good post CB…..I seem to agree with you on a lot of things, happy will be worried, maybe you should be too... :laughing:

 

[andrew 474]

the west tigers joint venture recieve nrl funding and also sponsorship money i didnot think balmain and wests had to still kick in after all the years of the joint venture , i thought they had to support their juniors or a balmain ryde eastwwod type deal for there own clubs

 

[Yossarian]

the west tigers joint venture recieve nrl funding and also sponsorship money i didnot think balmain and wests had to still kick in after all the years of the joint venture , i thought they had to support their juniors or a balmain ryde eastwwod type deal for there own clubs

Ideally that should be the model we aspire to - where NRL funding + club generated revenue (sponors, members, merch etc) are sufficient to fund our NRL team. Our reliance on poker machine revenue should be limited to junior development

 

[andrew 474]

dont rely on pokies at all ,willky will kill that off , the clubs need most of that just to stay open

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Andrew747, I want WT to move away from leagues club funding as well. I don't see pouring funds into a first grade football club as a leagues club serving it's community, especially when the sport is meant to be professional.

At this point in time though, the NRL grant, membership base and sponsorship does not allow WT to do this. In a perfect world, I would love to see a full circle where WT makes enough money to look after the Western Suburbs and Balmain football clubs and their respective junior bases, and completely end it's reliance on leagues clubs much like a grown child caring for it's parents. A somewhat romantic notion, and highly unlikely, but it would be nice to aspire to.

At this point in time however, the Wests & Balmain affiliated leagues clubs are important to the WT funding model.

 

[wtfl1981]

the west tigers joint venture recieve nrl funding and also sponsorship money i didnot think balmain and wests had to still kick in after all the years of the joint venture , i thought they had to support their juniors or a balmain ryde eastwwod type deal for there own clubs

Dont play down club ownership. Ask sharks, titans, manly and before tinkler newcastle about financial security from a owner or wealthy sponsor or strong leagues club. TV deal covers mostly first grade players.

Luckily WT has Ashfield as a solid wealthy leagues club for financial backing.

Why do you think nrl clubs outsource nsw cup teams - to save Money!

If Balmain go under for good. Wests Group (primarily Ashfield) will buy out their 50% share (but that does not mean that WT dissolves)
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[Benjirific]

the west tigers joint venture recieve nrl funding and also sponsorship money i didnot think balmain and wests had to still kick in after all the years of the joint venture , i thought they had to support their juniors or a balmain ryde eastwwod type deal for there own clubs

Dont play down club ownership. Ask sharks, titans, manly and before tinkler newcastle about financial security from a owner or wealthy sponsor or strong leagues club. TV deal covers mostly first grade players.

Luckily WT has Ashfield as a solid wealthy leagues club for financial backing.

Why do you think nrl clubs outsource nsw cup teams - to save Money!

If Balmain go under for good. Wests Group (primarily Ashfield) will buy out their 50% share (but that does not mean that WT dissolves)
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It may not mean the end, but I would have grave doubts about the state of our club if it was run solely by the Wests Group. You only need to look at what happened to the Magpies when they went to Campbelltown and how they have functioned administratively recently to see they have problems running the show. I also wouldn't put it past them to try and re-start the Magpies. If you think there is infighting now, just wait until the various Wests Group members get fighting.

I think it's underestimated how important David Trodden is to the whole set-up. He seems to have plenty of pull with the NRL (he is the spokesperson for all of the clubs) and is on the NSW board as well, and if Balmain were to fold it could mean we lose a good relationship with the NRL and other clubs. I've never really heard of Mike Bailey or any of the Wests directors on the WT board having any relationship with the NRL or any other club, even when he is the Chairman. Is that a situation we really want to be in?

 

[FARANGALANG]

the west tigers joint venture recieve nrl funding and also sponsorship money i didnot think balmain and wests had to still kick in after all the years of the joint venture , i thought they had to support their juniors or a balmain ryde eastwwod type deal for there own clubs

Dont play down club ownership. Ask sharks, titans, manly and before tinkler newcastle about financial security from a owner or wealthy sponsor or strong leagues club. TV deal covers mostly first grade players.

Luckily WT has Ashfield as a solid wealthy leagues club for financial backing.

Why do you think nrl clubs outsource nsw cup teams - to save Money!

If Balmain go under for good. Wests Group (primarily Ashfield) will buy out their 50% share (but that does not mean that WT dissolves)
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It may not mean the end, but I would have grave doubts about the state of our club if it was run solely by the Wests Group. You only need to look at what happened to the Magpies when they went to Campbelltown and how they have functioned administratively recently to see they have problems running the show. I also wouldn't put it past them to try and re-start the Magpies. If you think there is infighting now, just wait until the various Wests Group members get fighting.

I think it's underestimated how important David Trodden is to the whole set-up. He seems to have plenty of pull with the NRL (he is the spokesperson for all of the clubs) and is on the NSW board as well, and if Balmain were to fold it could mean we lose a good relationship with the NRL and other clubs. I've never really heard of Mike Bailey or any of the Wests directors on the WT board having any relationship with the NRL or any other club, even when he is the Chairman. Is that a situation we really want to be in?

I think this is a very good point re trodden.But in a situation where a wests buyout of balmain has to happen,Wests need to realise its as the Wests tigers and not Wests magpies but at the same time trodden needs to realise that He is now employed "SOLELY" by the wests group so any pre conceived notions that trodden is just trying to turn the Wests tigers into a new extension of the Balmain tigers needs to be squashed like a mosquito.I think trodden is very good at what he does and his mindset is certainly inner city centric.He may need to bite the bullet and relinquish 8 games to Campbelltown and just perhaps god forbid no games at Leichhardt but 4 "MARQUEE" games at the SFS.

 

[tigerbalm]

the west tigers joint venture recieve nrl funding and also sponsorship money i didnot think balmain and wests had to still kick in after all the years of the joint venture , i thought they had to support their juniors or a balmain ryde eastwwod type deal for there own clubs

Dont play down club ownership. Ask sharks, titans, manly and before tinkler newcastle about financial security from a owner or wealthy sponsor or strong leagues club. TV deal covers mostly first grade players.

Luckily WT has Ashfield as a solid wealthy leagues club for financial backing.

Why do you think nrl clubs outsource nsw cup teams - to save Money!

If Balmain go under for good. Wests Group (primarily Ashfield) will buy out their 50% share (but that does not mean that WT dissolves)
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It may not mean the end, but I would have grave doubts about the state of our club if it was run solely by the Wests Group. You only need to look at what happened to the Magpies when they went to Campbelltown and how they have functioned administratively recently to see they have problems running the show. I also wouldn't put it past them to try and re-start the Magpies. If you think there is infighting now, just wait until the various Wests Group members get fighting.

I think it's underestimated how important David Trodden is to the whole set-up. He seems to have plenty of pull with the NRL (he is the spokesperson for all of the clubs) and is on the NSW board as well, and if Balmain were to fold it could mean we lose a good relationship with the NRL and other clubs. I've never really heard of Mike Bailey or any of the Wests directors on the WT board having any relationship with the NRL or any other club, even when he is the Chairman. Is that a situation we really want to be in?

Seriously?

And people wonder why there is a division.

To summaries that wall of text this guy knows:

Wests failed at Cambo…had to merge with BALMAIN
Western suburbs is run by a pack of halfwits
These halfwits love a good in fighting
But the halfwits have a plan of bringing back the pie in all its glory and dissolving the JV
No member of the western suburbs board is liked by the NRL and no one in the NRL likes western suburbs members.

As my earlier post eluded to, this type of attitude is why you won't get much compassion from some magpie fans. Arrogance of some people is amazing considering:

A: western suburbs is still going on in some form next year even though they were completely shit on by WT.
B: this poorly run organization will be the sole owner of the JV very soon, get used to it.
C: wt will remain business as usual, at best there will be a drive to focus on the area that has a chance of growing and getting a stadium. But this would of happened anyways.
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