Benji 2025

liltiger said:
Iv got to be honest, I'm as frustrated with the team and Benji as every one, but when i take a breath a calm down and look at the season so far objectively. We got hammered by Melbourne, we got well beaten by Brisbane. Apart from that, we lost last night by 4 points, every other game we've lost we lost by 2 points, we're scrappy we're out of form but we're really competative. So far imo Benji gets a massive pass from me. Considering we have absolutely no depth. I think Benjis done a decent job.
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Souths, Eels both beat us by more than 2 points ( even though we were competitive i suppose)
 
Snidest 0 said:
Yep - the majority Wests ownership is the problem!

Nil ambition to be a Premiership contender for 50+ years & happy to keep moving the deck chairs on a sinking ship while retaining the same festering cesspool of long term Board members - Dennis being the poster boy!
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Thanks for talking football man. Appreciate it.
 
innsaneink said:
My old man was saying it in the 70s
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With good reasons!

The Magpies have always been run by self-serving idiots with zero interest in anything but the particpation trophy!

The move to the Macarthur was a failed experiment under the floundering bankrupt WSDRFLC administration - and remains a white elephant & major liability for the joint-venture!
 
Damn. You are on fire tonight brother. You know this - 100% - we know this - just one question - with all the facts you wrote - would it be fair to say - that Balmain are Dumber for joining them? Not knowing this. Would you consider this a failed experiment also
 
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BAGNF05 said:
Richo has said it too. The club can’t expect HBG to keep tipping in truckloads of cash, the club needs to become financially viable in its own right.
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How do we do that?

The bloke that was leading the hat sales isn't here anymore. 🤣
 
Snidest 0 said:
Yep - the majority Wests ownership is the problem!

Nil ambition to be a Premiership contender for 50+ years & happy to keep moving the deck chairs on a sinking ship while retaining the same festering cesspool of long term Board members - Dennis being the poster boy!
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I thought adel on the podcast pretty much nailed my interpretation of the events .
Ashley Klein has an issue with us. My honest opinion . He’s angry we went after him , with the “short whistle “ fiasco .
Since then we have gone from contentious call to contentious call . And here’s the thing . When he does give a try that’s clearly a try whether I. The bunker or not , his demeanour is that of reluctance , and spite .
Now you can call that ref bashing , but as I watched the game I really only had issue with Suttons lack of clarity around luai and warning for his sin bin.
But as you study the tape these last 36 plus hours , you start to see how much influence Klein was having on that game .
The club needs to make a stance .
I’d love to know what our win percentage is with Klein in any capacity since vs prior to the “short whistle” game . Let’s not forget he was dropped for 2 weeks . And he went from the best ref in the game to much lower down the pecking order now . I might be jumping at shadows . And if so , cool .
But I don’t think I am . I genuinely think he is incapable of impartiality with us , and to be fair it’s his fault anyway .. I question his integrity . I question his ability. The proof is in the eating .
I hope I’m wrong . I don’t enjoy ref bashing . I really don’t . Especially when we lost that game because a lack of intent in defence , and resilience the boys should and have to be tougher mentally when under pressure .
But as a club , it is the clubs duty to ask why they’re under soo much pressure . Because even the luai sin bin . That tackle was 3.2 seconds . Which for most of the year is our average tackle when we have the ball . wtf is that ? It could be Sutton was “gotcha” refereeing the games . And that’s fine .
BUt the club itself needs to take the nrl to task on this . Because like every professional sport , the top clubs are officiated differently , they just are . Is it gambling ? To ensure more expected outcomes actually happen ? I dunno .
But it’s rife in professional sports . And only getting worse . Everyone knows it’s much easier to control outcomes through officials , than it is with players . I’m not saying it’s corrupt or anything .
I’m saying if there is a long history of data referring to a particular outcome , then that data should be taken to the nrl and have that particular official , have to front what is happening .
Because at the very least he’s not doing his job properly . And if he does have an issue . Maybe it’s justified , and he can’t get over it . That’s fine . But keep him away from our games .
But like i said this is a Wests tigers issue re. Richardson .
The football team issue . Is a lack of resilience and intent when momentum shifts . And confidence in the structures to execute on the field .
Is it a communication issue from the coaches to the players . Is it bad coaching ? Is it simply the players aren’t executing what they’re supposed to . I dunno , but it needs to be fixed by Benji and John . Or replace the pea hearts with players who want to turn up .
 
Lestronge said:
I thought adel on the podcast pretty much nailed my interpretation of the events .
Ashley Klein has an issue with us. My honest opinion . He’s angry we went after him , with the “short whistle “ fiasco .
Since then we have gone from contentious call to contentious call . And here’s the thing . When he does give a try that’s clearly a try whether I. The bunker or not , his demeanour is that of reluctance , and spite .
Now you can call that ref bashing , but as I watched the game I really only had issue with Suttons lack of clarity around luai and warning for his sin bin.
But as you study the tape these last 36 plus hours , you start to see how much influence Klein was having on that game .
The club needs to make a stance .
I’d love to know what our win percentage is with Klein in any capacity since vs prior to the “short whistle” game . Let’s not forget he was dropped for 2 weeks . And he went from the best ref in the game to much lower down the pecking order now . I might be jumping at shadows . And if so , cool .
But I don’t think I am . I genuinely think he is incapable of impartiality with us , and to be fair it’s his fault anyway .. I question his integrity . I question his ability. The proof is in the eating .
I hope I’m wrong . I don’t enjoy ref bashing . I really don’t . Especially when we lost that game because a lack of intent in defence , and resilience the boys should and have to be tougher mentally when under pressure .
But as a club , it is the clubs duty to ask why they’re under soo much pressure . Because even the luai sin bin . That tackle was 3.2 seconds . Which for most of the year is our average tackle when we have the ball . wtf is that ? It could be Sutton was “gotcha” refereeing the games . And that’s fine .
BUt the club itself needs to take the nrl to task on this . Because like every professional sport , the top clubs are officiated differently , they just are . Is it gambling ? To ensure more expected outcomes actually happen ? I dunno .
But it’s rife in professional sports . And only getting worse . Everyone knows it’s much easier to control outcomes through officials , than it is with players . I’m not saying it’s corrupt or anything .
I’m saying if there is a long history of data referring to a particular outcome , then that data should be taken to the nrl and have that particular official , have to front what is happening .
Because at the very least he’s not doing his job properly . And if he does have an issue . Maybe it’s justified , and he can’t get over it . That’s fine . But keep him away from our games .
But like i said this is a Wests tigers issue re. Richardson .
The football team issue . Is a lack of resilience and intent when momentum shifts . And confidence in the structures to execute on the field .
Is it a communication issue from the coaches to the players . Is it bad coaching ? Is it simply the players aren’t executing what they’re supposed to . I dunno , but it needs to be fixed by Benji and John . Or replace the pea hearts with players who want to turn up .
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You may make some valid points but in an attempt to remain rational, I can't agree with your assertion that "he went from the best ref in the game to much lower down the pecking order now." Don't get me wrong, I hate the Klown.

He got last years State of Origin series, the Grand Final and so far this season has refereed State of Origin 1 and would not be surprised if he continues getting the "big games."
 
hank37w said:
You may make some valid points but in an attempt to remain rational, I can't agree with your assertion that "he went from the best ref in the game to much lower down the pecking order now." Don't get me wrong, I hate the Klown.

He got last years State of Origin series, the Grand Final and so far this season has refereed State of Origin 1 and would not be surprised if he continues getting the "big games."
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Nah , I meant instantly . It looks like his career has recovered . Was it Grant Atkins who took over the rep games for a few years , and now can’t get a run in nrl ?
I can’t remember the refs name for the life of me . But the guy who replaced Klein , now is struggling , or was , I’ll be honest I don’t keep up with ref politics .
I do know it coincided with a change in the hierarchy of the refs about a year or 2 ago.
Like I said I’m not excuses for the teams performance . That’s in the coaching staff .
I’m just saying 2 things can be true at once . And both need to be treated withy he same weight of care.
I’d also be happy to be proven wrong, and this is just my one eyed tigers supporter brain , going on a rant . If anything that’s the best outcome because it means the team can improve , and as such will get better results.
But if I’m my theory is correct , no amount of improvement from the team will be able to counter act , bias from officials . Whether conscious or unconscious .
 
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liltiger said:
Your right, I totally forgot, got to get my rose coloured glasses off.
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2 points or 4, doesn't change your premise that Benji and the boys have been competitive in the vast majority of matches this year despite the rigmarole surrounding Galvin and others.

Still, results are what really counts and being in proper contention for a finals berth until late in the season after 3 consecutive spoons would be regarded as a successful season. The weekend loss took us away from that target at least temporarily.
 
I love the guy but we are not a professional unit under benji it's to budy budy with the team they don't look fit disorganised no disiplene so get ready for no finals again we have to start becoming like the Melbourne storms of the competition train harder and get professional people to coach the side cause under benji we will be down the bottom all the time
 
I think Benji would be going about his role in an organised professional manner.

Having said that, the problem Benji has is that he needs to build respect as a coach within the NRL world. He probably is good a coach and the players do respect him.

However, he doesn't have the reputation because he got an 'easy' ride into his position unlike other coaches.

If he continues to learn and chips away with little wins, he may gain that respect and develop into a very good coach.
 
Lestronge said:
Nah , I meant instantly . It looks like his career has recovered . Was it Grant Atkins who took over the rep games for a few years , and now can’t get a run in nrl ?
I can’t remember the refs name for the life of me . But the guy who replaced Klein , now is struggling , or was , I’ll be honest I don’t keep up with ref politics .
I do know it coincided with a change in the hierarchy of the refs about a year or 2 ago.
Like I said I’m not excuses for the teams performance . That’s in the coaching staff .
I’m just saying 2 things can be true at once . And both need to be treated withy he same weight of care.
I’d also be happy to be proven wrong, and this is just my one eyed tigers supporter brain , going on a rant . If anything that’s the best outcome because it means the team can improve , and as such will get better results.
But if I’m my theory is correct , no amount of improvement from the team will be able to counter act , bias from officials . Whether conscious or unconscious .
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Not sure if you are thinking of Adam Gee who refereed the 2023 Grand Final pretty much to the satisfaction of just about everyone, even rave revues by some.

He then fell out of favour, whether it was politics within the NRL or for what ever reason he just has not had a look in since, but Klown has just gone from strength to strength and like I said I can't stand the little p.rick.
 
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