Benji Marshall #70

[Strider]

Just reading through the player of the year and noticed Benji has never got player of the year.

Like at Tigers? He got player of the World tho 😛 Some consolation perhaps.

 

[happy_tiger]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/nrl-2020-tigers-legend-reveals-real-reason-michael-maguire-cut-veteran-benji-marshall-loose/ar-BB19zZRZ?li=AAgfLCP&ocid=ASUDHP

 

[mike]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/nrl-2020-tigers-legend-reveals-real-reason-michael-maguire-cut-veteran-benji-marshall-loose/ar-BB19zZRZ?li=AAgfLCP&ocid=ASUDHP

Maguire is right.

 

[Needaname]

Of course Benjis time is up but the quote '“Well I know the reason and the reason is, Benji’s defence wasn’t what Michael Maguire’s trying to build this team on.' I can name plenty of others who failed also 😛 I guess gotta slowly get rid of them though. Can't do all at once.

You don’t get it though do you?
There’s a hidden message there. It’s not the first time Madge has publicly condemned the way we play.
Benji May be far and away our best attacking player. But his defence is poor. But it’s not the arm grabbing etc that benji does, it’s not his contact, it’s not saying benji will be replaced with a better defender.
‘It is the influence of benji he is trying to remove’
Benji will be replaced with a ‘team’ that doesn’t go out to win a game by out attacking the opposition.
The culture is being removed...

 

[Strider]

Of course Benjis time is up but the quote '“Well I know the reason and the reason is, Benji’s defence wasn’t what Michael Maguire’s trying to build this team on.' I can name plenty of others who failed also 😛 I guess gotta slowly get rid of them though. Can't do all at once.

You don’t get it though do you?
There’s a hidden message there. It’s not the first time Madge has publicly condemned the way we play.
Benji May be far and away our best attacking player. But his defence is poor. But it’s not the arm grabbing etc that benji does, it’s not his contact, it’s not saying benji will be replaced with a better defender.
‘It is the influence of benji he is trying to remove’
Benji will be replaced with a ‘team’ that doesn’t go out to win a game by out attacking the opposition.
The culture is being removed...

No I do get it, thats why I deleted the post. I am not dissapointed he is gone, he is old his time is up. Just made a comment the defense was poor pretty much everywhere in our team. When he was not playing against Eels the only option was to score more because our defense as a whole was ordinary. I get it though trust me. There is alot more accountability to be made and its a start.

 

[Needaname]

Of course Benjis time is up but the quote '“Well I know the reason and the reason is, Benji’s defence wasn’t what Michael Maguire’s trying to build this team on.' I can name plenty of others who failed also 😛 I guess gotta slowly get rid of them though. Can't do all at once.

You don’t get it though do you?
There’s a hidden message there. It’s not the first time Madge has publicly condemned the way we play.
Benji May be far and away our best attacking player. But his defence is poor. But it’s not the arm grabbing etc that benji does, it’s not his contact, it’s not saying benji will be replaced with a better defender.
‘It is the influence of benji he is trying to remove’
Benji will be replaced with a ‘team’ that doesn’t go out to win a game by out attacking the opposition.
The culture is being removed...

No I do get it, thats why I deleted the post. I am not dissapointed he is gone, he is old his time is up. Just made a comment the defense was poor pretty much everywhere in our team. When he was not playing against Eels the only option was to score more because our defense as a whole was ordinary. I get it though trust me. There is alot more accountability to be made and its a start.

You are right about 1 thing. Can’t change them all at once though I think 2 out of 4 (possibly 3 if BJ goes to the left) right side players is a start.

 

[Mossman]

Almost feels like Madge ( since the egg shells meeting) let go a little, and let the boys play a bit more unstructured and out attack other teams.Because he did seem as fazed as you would expect with our D to finish the year.
Almost like he needed to prove a point to the team and himself about Benji football.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/nrl-2020-tigers-legend-reveals-real-reason-michael-maguire-cut-veteran-benji-marshall-loose/ar-BB19zZRZ?li=AAgfLCP&ocid=ASUDHP

That's fair enough however Madge also has to take some responsibility for our lack of D.
With Benji not there next season assume we should see some improvement otherwise the coach will be in the spot light by the Media.

 

[rustycage]

Almost feels like Madge ( since the egg shells meeting) let go a little, and let the boys play a bit more unstructured and out attack other teams.Because he did seem as fazed as you would expect with our D to finish the year.
Almost like he needed to prove a point to the team and himself about Benji football.

That's an interesting angle. It's possible I guess.

 

[tig_prmz]

Benji is not a great defender by any means but the focus on his weaknesses seems to override all the other weaknesses of the squad that were far more relevant in our losses and our lack of success again this year.
All teams run their big men at the smaller players. Look at missed tackle stats Benji is not in the top 50 but plenty of other good players are and are still picked in their sides every week for what they offer.
Our forwards were mostly responsible for our losses this year - not Benji's bad defence.
Whether you support him or not if we don't get some ascendency with our forwards we will be in the same position or worse next year without Benji.

Missed tackle is a very confusing stat. I wouldn't be surprised if Harry Grant leads the missed tackle count. The fact is, more than the tackle, it's about putting yourself in position to make the tackle. Sometimes when you come out of the line and you stop the play, it goes as a missed tackle even though you may have saved a try or a line-break.

The way Ponga burnt him on the outside, Benji was in no position. However, I do agree with you that our forwards have been a bigger issue especially in the middle. This year wasn't about posession but about field position. We gave away way too many set restarts and penalties because our forwards continually lost the ruck in defence.

I would've given Benji another contract, but again the reality is that we already have Brooks/Madden/JR/Mbye/Douehi.. yes they are versatile but their best position is in the halves. I'd still pick Benji ahead of them but we need to move on now.

 

[TrueTiger]

I have tried to explain it the best I can...PAWS seems to have a disagreement with most of the things I say in here...Benji has been brilliant for us over the many years he has served us,however my argument is purely on a professional and business level which the NRL is....
When I stated he should man up and stop sulking about not being offered a contract,it is for the benefit of the future of the club and what the coach is trying to achieve...
I said that all the good things that Benji does,his defense is not up to the NRL or Madges standard...I have always admired Benji for what he has done,but time catches up with many players and they are best to leave on a positive note rather than be known as sulking for not getting another year or two..
The article seems to prove my very point and I will also say that Brooks will have a much better year next year without Benji in the side..and I have been a critic of Lukes for awhile,but I will say it must have been difficult to play along side his hero for years..

 

[Needaname]

Almost feels like Madge ( since the egg shells meeting) let go a little, and let the boys play a bit more unstructured and out attack other teams.Because he did seem as fazed as you would expect with our D to finish the year.
Almost like he needed to prove a point to the team and himself about Benji football.

Wow talk about the long game.

I could just imagine the review of our season. Our mid season and end season are light years apart.

Here is the question,

Did our D and the forward impact get poorer due to the increased emphasis on attack or did the their efforts decrease due to the mid season period where they were throwing everything into every game in D.

Was that the message Madge was trying to send?

You guys have had a chance to experience both styles of play. Which approach do you think is more effective?

I have no doubt it’s the earlier version and our team will be gearing up to handle that style of play for longer periods.

 

[barra]

It's not just Benji's missed tackle stats, it's how important those tackles were. Around the time it came out we weren't offering him another contract, I remember reading he was top of the league for missed tackles that led to tries?
Having such a poor defender in the line puts pressure on the whole team, not just those around him.
Benji's reluctance to use his shoulder is a reflection of attitued, and as has also been mentioned, we need to get rid of that sort of attitude - because quite simply it's NOT okay to defend like that... the answer to poor defence is NOT to just try and out-score the opposition.
It really did seem that Madge relaxed his attitude to the squad and the increase in points against was the result.
Benji may be okay in a team that already has excellent defence, but that sure ain't us.

 

[kiwitiger]

Sweet. The problem with the wests Tigers is Benji. Get rid of him and it's onwards and upwards. Remember that was the quick fix solution at the end of 2013 as well. Groundhog day...

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

It's not just Benji's missed tackle stats, it's how important those tackles were. Around the time it came out we weren't offering him another contract, I remember reading he was top of the league for missed tackles that led to tries?
Having such a poor defender in the line puts pressure on the whole team, not just those around him.
Benji's reluctance to use his shoulder is a reflection of attitued, and as has also been mentioned, we need to get rid of that sort of attitude - because quite simply it's NOT okay to defend like that... the answer to poor defence is NOT to just try and out-score the opposition.
It really did seem that Madge relaxed his attitude to the squad and the increase in points against was the result.
Benji may be okay in a team that already has excellent defence, but that sure ain't us.

If a team continues to carry someone like Benji, it infects the entire squad. Take a look at the Broncos. Their captain, Darius Boyd, was the most apathetic player I've seen in defence. If your most senior player and club legend does that, what are the rest of the players meant to think?

"Oh, he's a club legend, so we try to make up for him."
"If he's doing it, then it must be okay."

Bidding farewell to Benji will get rid of these mindsets.

 

[kiwitiger]

It's not just Benji's missed tackle stats, it's how important those tackles were. Around the time it came out we weren't offering him another contract, I remember reading he was top of the league for missed tackles that led to tries?
Having such a poor defender in the line puts pressure on the whole team, not just those around him.
Benji's reluctance to use his shoulder is a reflection of attitued, and as has also been mentioned, we need to get rid of that sort of attitude - because quite simply it's NOT okay to defend like that... the answer to poor defence is NOT to just try and out-score the opposition.
It really did seem that Madge relaxed his attitude to the squad and the increase in points against was the result.
Benji may be okay in a team that already has excellent defence, but that sure ain't us.

If a team continues to carry someone like Benji, it infects the entire squad. Take a look at the Broncos. Their captain, Darius Boyd, was the most apathetic player I've seen in defence. If your most senior player and club legend does that, what are the rest of the players meant to think?

"Oh, he's a club legend, so we try to make up for him."
"If he's doing it, then it must be okay."

Bidding farewell to Benji will get rid of these mindsets.

If our coach has selected Benji when these mindsets are in place, we have a major problem. Infact if all/most our problems
Are solved with the dropping of Benji he has been negligent all season and should be sacked in the morning. He selected him...if the solution is so simple he should resign

 

[mike]

It's not just Benji's missed tackle stats, it's how important those tackles were. Around the time it came out we weren't offering him another contract, I remember reading he was top of the league for missed tackles that led to tries?
Having such a poor defender in the line puts pressure on the whole team, not just those around him.
Benji's reluctance to use his shoulder is a reflection of attitued, and as has also been mentioned, we need to get rid of that sort of attitude - because quite simply it's NOT okay to defend like that... the answer to poor defence is NOT to just try and out-score the opposition.
It really did seem that Madge relaxed his attitude to the squad and the increase in points against was the result.
Benji may be okay in a team that already has excellent defence, but that sure ain't us.

Not disagreeing, I think Benji not using his shoulders has a lot todo with the reconstructions he needed early in his career. It physical and mentality effected that part of his game.

 

[Goanna57]

It’s all good Benji is gone we are on our way to the promised land all problems solved according to some

 

[izotope]

It’s all good Benji is gone **we are on our way** to the promised land all problems solved according to some

Yep, finally feel we have moved on from 05 now.

 

[tonza]

It’s all good Benji is gone we are on our way to the promised land all problems solved according to some

Yep. Thats its, but why did we not win on Saturday? Benji was gone at the 17th min. mark, so who let those 2 late tries in? Must have been his influence.