Big LL

@dwight-schrute said in [Big LL](/post/1425821) said:
Joe often have a go's been really disappointing the last 5 or 6 weeks.
It seems like after the excitement of joining a new club wore off he's gone back to being the Mr. Mediocre he was at the Broncos.

While it wasn’t the original plan for him tonight we frequently put him in the back row.
This despite identifying before we had signed him that to be at his best he needed to be in the middle and not on an edge.
 
@aturkey said in [Big LL](/post/1425854) said:
He has been... sensational? How? He is not damaging in attack and is consistently slow and tired in defence. He is part of the problem. So is Tamou. So is Talau. So is Ofa. They are stealing their paychecks.

Not damaging in attack is just wrong. He is denting the line and carrying defenders when he runs. He's not a great defender and when he's surrounded by other poor defenders it just makes it even worse.

He's certainly one we need to hold onto though, I've been screaming about reducing his minutes for weeks now.
 
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425873) said:
@aturkey said in [Big LL](/post/1425854) said:
He has been... sensational? How? He is not damaging in attack and is consistently slow and tired in defence. He is part of the problem. So is Tamou. So is Talau. So is Ofa. They are stealing their paychecks.

Not damaging in attack is just wrong. He is denting the line and carrying defenders when he runs. He's not a great defender and when he's surrounded by other poor defenders it just makes it even worse.

He's certainly one we need to hold onto though, I've been screaming about reducing his minutes for weeks now.

I used to love Luc but if he left I don’t think it would be much of a loss. We need to upgrade both 2nd rowers
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Big LL](/post/1425878) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425873) said:
@aturkey said in [Big LL](/post/1425854) said:
He has been... sensational? How? He is not damaging in attack and is consistently slow and tired in defence. He is part of the problem. So is Tamou. So is Talau. So is Ofa. They are stealing their paychecks.

Not damaging in attack is just wrong. He is denting the line and carrying defenders when he runs. He's not a great defender and when he's surrounded by other poor defenders it just makes it even worse.

He's certainly one we need to hold onto though, I've been screaming about reducing his minutes for weeks now.

I used to love Luc but if he left I don’t think it would be much of a loss. We need to upgrade both 2nd rowers

Would definitely make us weaker if we lost him. Don't know why a guy who clearly isn't the fittest and best defender is constantly being pushed to play 80 in the fastest iteration of rugby league we've ever seen.

Not a big Garner fan this year. Feel like he's been very ineffective and quiet, we for sure need a quality second rower.
 
LL ...can be an attacking dynamo....

In defense a huge liability....no good making metres and doing the hard yards just to let opposition players palm you off or out play you and score points through you...
 
In attack he is great.

In defence he gets caught out badly and struggles to slide with any pace. Causes overlaps that place pressure on the defenders outside him, who get crucified by supportes.
 
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425883) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Big LL](/post/1425878) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425873) said:
@aturkey said in [Big LL](/post/1425854) said:
He has been... sensational? How? He is not damaging in attack and is consistently slow and tired in defence. He is part of the problem. So is Tamou. So is Talau. So is Ofa. They are stealing their paychecks.

Not damaging in attack is just wrong. He is denting the line and carrying defenders when he runs. He's not a great defender and when he's surrounded by other poor defenders it just makes it even worse.

He's certainly one we need to hold onto though, I've been screaming about reducing his minutes for weeks now.

I used to love Luc but if he left I don’t think it would be much of a loss. We need to upgrade both 2nd rowers

Would definitely make us weaker if we lost him. Don't know why a guy who clearly isn't the fittest and best defender is constantly being pushed to play 80 in the fastest iteration of rugby league we've ever seen.

Not a big Garner fan this year. Feel like he's been very ineffective and quiet, we for sure need a quality second rower.

He’s good in attack against poor teams. Easily contained by anyone half decent.
 
@aturkey said in [Big LL](/post/1425854) said:
He has been... sensational? How? He is not damaging in attack and is consistently slow and tired in defence. He is part of the problem. So is Tamou. So is Talau. So is Ofa. They are stealing their paychecks.

Note my post was last year...2020.

He was sensational first few months of 2020.

And faded badly.

This year he has been solid in attack...not as good...and his D is even worse.

He is clearly a 25 - rest - last 20 player.

Madge is too stubborn to admit he has got it wrong though.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Big LL](/post/1425889) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425883) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Big LL](/post/1425878) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425873) said:
@aturkey said in [Big LL](/post/1425854) said:
He has been... sensational? How? He is not damaging in attack and is consistently slow and tired in defence. He is part of the problem. So is Tamou. So is Talau. So is Ofa. They are stealing their paychecks.

Not damaging in attack is just wrong. He is denting the line and carrying defenders when he runs. He's not a great defender and when he's surrounded by other poor defenders it just makes it even worse.

He's certainly one we need to hold onto though, I've been screaming about reducing his minutes for weeks now.

I used to love Luc but if he left I don’t think it would be much of a loss. We need to upgrade both 2nd rowers

Would definitely make us weaker if we lost him. Don't know why a guy who clearly isn't the fittest and best defender is constantly being pushed to play 80 in the fastest iteration of rugby league we've ever seen.

Not a big Garner fan this year. Feel like he's been very ineffective and quiet, we for sure need a quality second rower.

He’s good in attack against poor teams. Easily contained by anyone half decent.

Ran 133 metres against Souths with 5 tackle breaks. 113 metres against Storm. 160 metres against eels

The bloke is an attacking weapon against anyone. Whether he's on the bench or not, reduce his bloody minutes while the rules are how they are. Think it's one of the reasons he looked better last year compared to this one
 
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425898) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Big LL](/post/1425889) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425883) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Big LL](/post/1425878) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425873) said:
@aturkey said in [Big LL](/post/1425854) said:
He has been... sensational? How? He is not damaging in attack and is consistently slow and tired in defence. He is part of the problem. So is Tamou. So is Talau. So is Ofa. They are stealing their paychecks.

Not damaging in attack is just wrong. He is denting the line and carrying defenders when he runs. He's not a great defender and when he's surrounded by other poor defenders it just makes it even worse.

He's certainly one we need to hold onto though, I've been screaming about reducing his minutes for weeks now.

I used to love Luc but if he left I don’t think it would be much of a loss. We need to upgrade both 2nd rowers

Would definitely make us weaker if we lost him. Don't know why a guy who clearly isn't the fittest and best defender is constantly being pushed to play 80 in the fastest iteration of rugby league we've ever seen.

Not a big Garner fan this year. Feel like he's been very ineffective and quiet, we for sure need a quality second rower.

He’s good in attack against poor teams. Easily contained by anyone half decent.

Ran 133 metres against Souths with 5 tackle breaks. 113 metres against Storm. 160 metres against eels

The bloke is an attacking weapon against anyone. Whether he's on the bench or not, reduce his bloody minutes while the rules are how they are. Think it's one of the reasons he looked better last year compared to this one

He would be a WEAPON in 20-25 min stints.

It is criminal how badly Madge has used him...especially when we have Blore and Tuilagi who could easily share the mins.
 
@elleryhanley said in [Big LL](/post/1425903) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425898) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Big LL](/post/1425889) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425883) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Big LL](/post/1425878) said:
@jc99 said in [Big LL](/post/1425873) said:
@aturkey said in [Big LL](/post/1425854) said:
He has been... sensational? How? He is not damaging in attack and is consistently slow and tired in defence. He is part of the problem. So is Tamou. So is Talau. So is Ofa. They are stealing their paychecks.

Not damaging in attack is just wrong. He is denting the line and carrying defenders when he runs. He's not a great defender and when he's surrounded by other poor defenders it just makes it even worse.

He's certainly one we need to hold onto though, I've been screaming about reducing his minutes for weeks now.

I used to love Luc but if he left I don’t think it would be much of a loss. We need to upgrade both 2nd rowers

Would definitely make us weaker if we lost him. Don't know why a guy who clearly isn't the fittest and best defender is constantly being pushed to play 80 in the fastest iteration of rugby league we've ever seen.

Not a big Garner fan this year. Feel like he's been very ineffective and quiet, we for sure need a quality second rower.

He’s good in attack against poor teams. Easily contained by anyone half decent.

Ran 133 metres against Souths with 5 tackle breaks. 113 metres against Storm. 160 metres against eels

The bloke is an attacking weapon against anyone. Whether he's on the bench or not, reduce his bloody minutes while the rules are how they are. Think it's one of the reasons he looked better last year compared to this one

He would be a WEAPON in 20-25 min stints.

It is criminal how badly Madge has used him...especially when we have Blore and Tuilagi who could easily share the mins.

Yup, no idea why they haven't got him playing 45-55 minutes a game and replacing him with Blore.
 
Luch isnt the issue, our entire Defence is an issue.

Teams roll through the centre easily and then flick it out wide for the score almost every game
 
@spartan117 said in [Big LL](/post/1425993) said:
Luch isnt the issue, our entire Defence is an issue.

Teams roll through the centre easily and then flick it out wide for the score almost every game

I reckon he is awesome but he isn't a good defender.
 
Luciano is a beast. Very simply he needs to play less minutes. Issue is we have no players of quality to replace him.

I hope Madge uses the injuries to being Blore back in and Tuilagi. Mbye out and Simpkin in.
 
@tyga said in [Big LL](/post/1426069) said:
Luciano is a beast. Very simply he needs to play less minutes. Issue is we have no players of quality to replace him.

I hope Madge uses the injuries to being Blore back in and Tuilagi. Mbye out and Simpkin in.

Spot on
 
@spartan117 said in [Big LL](/post/1425993) said:
Luch isnt the issue, our entire Defence is an issue.

Teams roll through the centre easily and then flick it out wide for the score almost every game

Luch is a major issue for us. He can’t play 80mins and he doesn’t hold his position in defense. He comes infield more often than he should and gets found out quickly. He also stands back rather than come forward when defending which then creates a problem with AD and the center due to how much space is left for them to cover.
 

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