weststigers
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This is not even a response.
Bondi Mass Shooting
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pawsandclaws1
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My experience is based off having lived and worked in an islamic country for a number of years. You can choose to accept it or not.
weststigers
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I believe that you worked there.
Not sure what that has to do with worldwide Islamic extremist groups.
innsaneink
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He was a permanent resident
innsaneink
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Son was born here apparently
innsaneink
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shiretiger
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shiretiger
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Absolutely appalling that the Prime Minister now blames guns and right wing extremists for the events at Bondi.
Had they driven a car through the crowd would he be looking to tighten car ownership?
Excellent item in The Australian today: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/co...s/news-story/ff2022a0e075fa0f3f0463a6160f39a3
Now they’re all shocked. The progressive activists. The influencers. The Greens. The podcasters. All those impeccably right-on people who’ve spent two years making “Zionist” – or “Zio” – the dirtiest word in the Australian vocabulary. Who marched down Oxford Street during the Mardi Gras holding a sign that said “Globalise the Intifada”.
Well, congratulations. The Intifada’s here. Globalised. Mission accomplished.
It arrived on Sunday night, on the first night of Hanukkah. The so-called resistance moment – that noble struggle for liberation we’ve been hearing so much about – manifested as gunmen opening fire on Jewish families celebrating their festival by the sea. Fifteen dead. At least. A 10-year-old girl among them. The motive? Oh, we don’t officially know the motive yet. But of course we know the motive. We’ve watched it incubate in this country since October 7, 2023: anti-Jewish rhetoric in the guise of morally urgent criticism of a war in the Middle East.
Dressed up by the very people now eagerly posting their condolences. Their horror and devastation and disbelief.
But here’s what needs to be said to the people who’ve spent two years treating Israel as a uniquely evil state. Who’ve made “Zionism” synonymous with racism and slavery and every conceivable sin. Who’ve said Zionists should not be platformed, should not have culturally safe spaces, should essentially be drummed out of polite society. Who’ve chanted “from the river to the sea” at rallies, in parliament, and posted it on their Instagram stories with little watermelon emojis:
You built this. You laid the foundations, brick by rhetorical brick, post by viral post, march by march with your inverted red triangles and your signs bearing the words “Zionists are neo-Nazis”.
What exactly did you think “intifada” meant? It means blood. It has always meant blood. And now they’ll be cleaning up the blood on Bondi Beach for weeks.
Take Nasser Mashni, now sending “love, care and solidarity” to the Jewish victims. The same Nasser Mashni who for two years, in his role with the Australian Palestine Advocacy Network, has painted Zionism as “settler colonialism” and “Jewish supremacy”. Who thinks Israel’s destruction would bring about – and I quote – the “liberation of the earth”. Who won’t call Hamas a terrorist group but who, sure, stands in solidarity. Very meaningful.
Or Randa Abdel-Fattah, the author and academic, who’s expressing sadness online at this “horrific act of anti-Semitism”. Who’s on record saying Zionists have “no claim or right to cultural safety”. Who quite literally, the day after the October 7 massacres – the day after families were burned alive in their homes – changed her profile picture to a paraglider in Palestinian colours.
Mary Kostakidis finds it all “deeply shocking”. The former SBS newsreader who’s spent months promoting conspiracy theories about the “Zionist lobby”, who reposted a tweet earlier this year claiming the “genocide” in Gaza is the real cause of underlying anti-Semitism. Which, even if Mary didn’t mean this, sounds to me like: Jews supporting Israel bring it on themselves.
But Bondi? What happened? Shocking.
Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi said: “My thoughts are especially with the Jewish community.” The same community whose state is “rogue” and “genocidal”. Abbie Chatfield is “heartbroken” and “sickened” by the “anti semetic (sic)” attack. Despite refusing to “platform Zionists” on her podcast. Despite publicly shaming a man as a “genocide supporter”. Just politics, right? Nothing personal.
Anti-Semitism has always been like this. It never goose-steps into the ball dressed as anti-Semitism. It doesn’t wear a sign. It arrives in the costume of the moment. As nationalism. As anti-capitalism. As social justice. It makes itself sound reasonable, even righteous. It speaks in the gentle language of decolonisation and human rights.
And then people die; that’s how this story goes.
Yes, you can criticise Israel. You can oppose settlements and protest civilian casualties in Gaza. But there’s a difference – and it’s a life-or-death difference now – between protest and incitement. Between holding a government accountable for its conduct in war and demonising an entire people.
Because when people talk about Russia and its war in Ukraine, none of it metastasises into graffiti on Russian restaurants. Into harassment of Russian students. Into boycotts and firebombings. Or bullets on beaches.
But with Israel? With Jews? It always does. Every single time. And the Jewish community kept saying this. We saw it coming. We saw it in Europe and America. We saw it in England.
So spare us the shock. Save the thoughts and prayers.
You don’t get to globalise the intifada and then act all surprised when it finally shows up.
Had they driven a car through the crowd would he be looking to tighten car ownership?
Excellent item in The Australian today: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/co...s/news-story/ff2022a0e075fa0f3f0463a6160f39a3
Now they’re all shocked. The progressive activists. The influencers. The Greens. The podcasters. All those impeccably right-on people who’ve spent two years making “Zionist” – or “Zio” – the dirtiest word in the Australian vocabulary. Who marched down Oxford Street during the Mardi Gras holding a sign that said “Globalise the Intifada”.
Well, congratulations. The Intifada’s here. Globalised. Mission accomplished.
It arrived on Sunday night, on the first night of Hanukkah. The so-called resistance moment – that noble struggle for liberation we’ve been hearing so much about – manifested as gunmen opening fire on Jewish families celebrating their festival by the sea. Fifteen dead. At least. A 10-year-old girl among them. The motive? Oh, we don’t officially know the motive yet. But of course we know the motive. We’ve watched it incubate in this country since October 7, 2023: anti-Jewish rhetoric in the guise of morally urgent criticism of a war in the Middle East.
Dressed up by the very people now eagerly posting their condolences. Their horror and devastation and disbelief.
But here’s what needs to be said to the people who’ve spent two years treating Israel as a uniquely evil state. Who’ve made “Zionism” synonymous with racism and slavery and every conceivable sin. Who’ve said Zionists should not be platformed, should not have culturally safe spaces, should essentially be drummed out of polite society. Who’ve chanted “from the river to the sea” at rallies, in parliament, and posted it on their Instagram stories with little watermelon emojis:
You built this. You laid the foundations, brick by rhetorical brick, post by viral post, march by march with your inverted red triangles and your signs bearing the words “Zionists are neo-Nazis”.
What exactly did you think “intifada” meant? It means blood. It has always meant blood. And now they’ll be cleaning up the blood on Bondi Beach for weeks.
Take Nasser Mashni, now sending “love, care and solidarity” to the Jewish victims. The same Nasser Mashni who for two years, in his role with the Australian Palestine Advocacy Network, has painted Zionism as “settler colonialism” and “Jewish supremacy”. Who thinks Israel’s destruction would bring about – and I quote – the “liberation of the earth”. Who won’t call Hamas a terrorist group but who, sure, stands in solidarity. Very meaningful.
Or Randa Abdel-Fattah, the author and academic, who’s expressing sadness online at this “horrific act of anti-Semitism”. Who’s on record saying Zionists have “no claim or right to cultural safety”. Who quite literally, the day after the October 7 massacres – the day after families were burned alive in their homes – changed her profile picture to a paraglider in Palestinian colours.
Mary Kostakidis finds it all “deeply shocking”. The former SBS newsreader who’s spent months promoting conspiracy theories about the “Zionist lobby”, who reposted a tweet earlier this year claiming the “genocide” in Gaza is the real cause of underlying anti-Semitism. Which, even if Mary didn’t mean this, sounds to me like: Jews supporting Israel bring it on themselves.
But Bondi? What happened? Shocking.
Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi said: “My thoughts are especially with the Jewish community.” The same community whose state is “rogue” and “genocidal”. Abbie Chatfield is “heartbroken” and “sickened” by the “anti semetic (sic)” attack. Despite refusing to “platform Zionists” on her podcast. Despite publicly shaming a man as a “genocide supporter”. Just politics, right? Nothing personal.
Anti-Semitism has always been like this. It never goose-steps into the ball dressed as anti-Semitism. It doesn’t wear a sign. It arrives in the costume of the moment. As nationalism. As anti-capitalism. As social justice. It makes itself sound reasonable, even righteous. It speaks in the gentle language of decolonisation and human rights.
And then people die; that’s how this story goes.
Yes, you can criticise Israel. You can oppose settlements and protest civilian casualties in Gaza. But there’s a difference – and it’s a life-or-death difference now – between protest and incitement. Between holding a government accountable for its conduct in war and demonising an entire people.
Because when people talk about Russia and its war in Ukraine, none of it metastasises into graffiti on Russian restaurants. Into harassment of Russian students. Into boycotts and firebombings. Or bullets on beaches.
But with Israel? With Jews? It always does. Every single time. And the Jewish community kept saying this. We saw it coming. We saw it in Europe and America. We saw it in England.
So spare us the shock. Save the thoughts and prayers.
You don’t get to globalise the intifada and then act all surprised when it finally shows up.
Yes, obviously radicalised by his father.
And that makes it right?🙄
pawsandclaws1
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That is democracy at work CK.
pawsandclaws1
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This is what the PM has said about Ahmed Al-Ahmed during his visit to him in hospital -
At a moment where we have seen evil perpetrated, he shines out as an example of the strength of humanity. We are a brave country. Ahmed represents the best of our country. We will not allow this country to be divided.
That is what the terrorists seek. We will unite. We will embrace each other and we will get through this.
At a moment where we have seen evil perpetrated, he shines out as an example of the strength of humanity. We are a brave country. Ahmed represents the best of our country. We will not allow this country to be divided.
That is what the terrorists seek. We will unite. We will embrace each other and we will get through this.
hank37w
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They can put up the gun licence fee while they're at it, that'll stop them or at least make them think twice about it.
I have always believed there is not a reason why anyone should own a gun (farmers for pest control the sole exception) although i do understand why people join shooters clubs for recreation.
Gun ownership should be strictly monitored (Switzerland model) and applied very strongly to all who own guns.
Gun ownership should be strictly monitored (Switzerland model) and applied very strongly to all who own guns.
Rock Hopper Steve
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Add to that no access to the use of a gun outside of the target range, strictly monitored by the gun club.
pawsandclaws1
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Minns said he is determined to bring in the toughest guns laws in Australia and they'll be significantly tightened in NSW.
hank37w
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Fine words from Albo who tried to divided this country with his Voice Referendum and when it failed miserably wiped his hands of the whole thing and walked away, only to move on to promoting his antisemitic agenda.
Like Mr Magoo, he's done it again, nothing but a two faced piece of 💩.
balmain boy
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Holy crap you're like a mega delusional Zionist.
Zionists are evil people, terrorists. Israel is a terrorist state, committing war crimes on a daily basis. They just have more power than Russia.
What happened at Bondi was a tragedy, yes. Violence still exists in the world. Whether guns are around or not. You can't stop it from happening.
But you also cannot link these murders to protest rallies and pleas for humanity. There is no link. This is not a societal failure. This is just a couple of angry people who took life in their own hands and chose violence. This evil should always be condemned. Weapons should always be extremely difficult to obtain in Australia and our anti terrorism experts should be doing all they can to prevent these incidents wherever possible, but eliminating them completely just isn't realistic.
balmain boy
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There's no hope for people like you. A poor lost soul, education failed you and you obviously never sought to seek self enlightenment
pawsandclaws1
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Krissy Barrett, the AFP Commissioner, has made an excellent observation about these two murderers of innocents as follows -
– she says they have “aligned themselves with a terrorist organisation not a religion.”
– she says they have “aligned themselves with a terrorist organisation not a religion.”
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