Brooks: What exactly has gone wrong?

[Sart0ri]

If he is now controlling and distributing he’s doing a bloody poor job of it.
On the contrary it looks like lately that he’s bee told to look for a hole and use his speed.
Either way, on TV this week,Fittler and Gallen summed up our chances next year as not making the 8 without a halfback who plays consistently good (not bad as in Brooks case).

When the opposition have blocked off the outside options, he now runs himself. He used to throw some dodgy hospital passes to the 2nd rower.

Do you always think that Fittler and Gallen are right or just when they say what you already believe?

 

[TrueTiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I think this may be a fair call. I still think he is our best option out of the players that we have as one half. So you have to pick him.

We have to be looking for better halves though.

And that is exactly the problem ...what top 8 sides HAVE to pick someone even though they aren't up to it

It's worse than what you are stating as well because he isn't the biggest problem in the squad. That is why at this point you have to have him playing. Then you just hope he finds form.

I don't think you can trade him either. It's not like American sports where the talent pool is so much larger.

In Semi Pro Jackie Moon traded the teams washing machine for Woody Harrelson

Because White Men Can't Jump

Yeah right,I heard when your missus says jump,you say how high darling...

 

[TrueTiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

 

[jadtiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

Main difference is Cronk never played in a poor side Brooks never played in a strong side

 

[CarltonDry]

It's not his team until 2023 just like the coach bahahaha

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

Main difference is Cronk never played in a poor side Brooks never played in a strong side

Well he has been able to leave whenever he wants

 

[Speed2burn]

Strange enough some of the teams best 80 minute performances have been when Benjis been out of the side and Brooks has been the main playmaker

Canberra 14-6 (loss). Ok we lost this one but I vividly remember us having this game in our grasp until the most brain dead 10 minute stint from Packer in existence cost us with a stupid penalty and a sin bin which led to all of Canberra’s points

Cowboys 36-20 (win). We leaked some points but we were up 36-0 at half time. but but how are we going to score points without Benji next year

Bulldogs 34-6 (win). Probably our most complete performance of the year if you don’t include the Brisbane game. Once again...but but where are our points coming from next year

Penrith 19-12 (loss). Up at half time and was 12-12 with about 10 minutes to go against the minor premiers

 

[TrueTiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

Brooks isnt a Cronk,...Cronk is much older and has been in the Melb system under one coach for a lot longer than Brooks had been..so do other players at elite level have different coaches..Brooks isnt an elite player with the experience Cronk has had..

 

[TrueTiger]

Strange enough some of the teams best 80 minute performances have been when Benjis been out of the side and Brooks has been the main playmaker

Canberra 14-6 (loss). Ok we lost this one but I vividly remember us having this game in our grasp until the most brain dead 10 minute stint from Packer in existence cost us with a stupid penalty and a sin bin which led to all of Canberra’s points

Cowboys 36-20 (win). We leaked some points but we were up 36-0 at half time. but but how are we going to score points without Benji next year

Bulldogs 34-6 (win). Probably our most complete performance of the year if you don’t include the Brisbane game. Once again...but but where are our points coming from next year

Penrith 19-12 (loss). Up at half time and was 12-12 with about 10 minutes to go against the minor premiers

Lukes best games have been when Reynolds was beside him and we won more games with JR and LB in the halves...this year has been an exceptionally bad year to form combinations and try various players because of injuries and no CC played to judge the performance of NRL standard players coming up..

 

[Sart0ri]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

There are a lot of problems with the Tigers. Some people want to try and work out why, to see if the problems can be fixed, this includes fans and coaching staff. Some people just want to cry and throw out everything.

I have much more faith in an analytical approach (what you call excuses) than random clutching at straws.

I think quite a few of the eternally negative people on this site who moan without providing any analysis would be much happier as Roosters fans.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Im going to say the last thing about Brooks and its my opinion only....
Next year Benji will be gone,Luke can come out of his shell and start dominating this team as he should have been,he will hopefully have a stronger pack with Tamou in it and leading the way forward,if not then why the hell did we sign him..
I have faith that Madge will be able to put key players in their respective positions on a weekly basis,this years chopping and changing was out of necessity more than anything because of injuries and no CC to be played...we should have a much clearer view 5/6 weeks into the season on how we are travelling...

I have been a severe critic of Brooks over the years ,but having to play alonside the club legend must have been difficult at times,Luke is still young enough to produce some very good football,he has to take CONTROL and show his capabilities so we can have faith in him to make the right choices to lead the team and close out games...

Whilst I agree Benji was a huge part of why Brooks has regressed, but Brooks should own that, he has played near 150 games now, he should be able to play with any half selected.
In saying that, I do expect Brooks to be a far better player now that Benji is gone, and we might actually see a whole new player, the one we all hoped to see a while back.

It’s pretty hard though , when you’re set up down the left , and Benji overcalls down the right for the benji showtime reel, that doesn’t pay off . To me it looks like brooks is up for the attrition . It’s when we truely adopt that style like ala 2018 that we will see his best . When it’s coming back from 20 nil , no look pass , flick pass , chip over the top stuff , sure it’s exciting , but that’s not his go. The win over manly was all him to be honest. You could see him calling the plays and moving the team where it needed to go , and he gave early ball to blokes like BJ.
To me that’s who he is . He’s not Thurston or Johns , he’s bloody Matt Orford, or Brett Kimmorley who can tackle.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

Great now that you’ve said the team sux , what’s the answer then ? What’s the point in constantly whinging about it , to have conversations with people who also whinge about it , or arguements with people who call you a whinger , to then , do it all over again the next week ,or day?
Honestly what’s the point ?Do you find it therapeutic ? Or even cathartic? Or does it just depress you , like honestly the way it seems to me ? I love the debate , hearing people’s opinions and disagreements. Like guys who say he sux , and then say get X player ! I usually disagree but whatever . I just don’t understand being negative for negatives sake

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

Great now that you’ve said the team sux , what’s the answer then ? What’s the point in constantly whinging about it , to have conversations with people who also whinge about it , or arguements with people who call you a whinger , to then , do it all over again the next week ,or day?
Honestly what’s the point ?Do you find it therapeutic ? Or even cathartic? Or does it just depress you , like honestly the way it seems to me ? I love the debate , hearing people’s opinions and disagreements. Like guys who say he sux , and then say get X player ! I usually disagree but whatever . I just don’t understand being negative for negatives sake

Another excuse ...don't pick on the team ...your depressing us all argument ...stop calling it how it is you whinger

Is it not the truth about the club ....we've underachieved since day 1

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

There are a lot of problems with the Tigers. Some people want to try and work out why, to see if the problems can be fixed, this includes fans and coaching staff. Some people just want to cry and throw out everything.

I have much more faith in an analytical approach (what you call excuses) than random clutching at straws.

I think quite a few of the eternally negative people on this site who moan without providing any analysis would be much happier as Roosters fans.

Look back a few pages ..I gave my thoughts on what we should do ...got a few likes as well ...maybe I'm not the humpty dumpty you think I am

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

Brooks isnt a Cronk,...Cronk is much older and has been in the Melb system under one coach for a lot longer than Brooks had been..so do other players at elite level have different coaches..Brooks isnt an elite player with the experience Cronk has had..

So If he isn't an elite player ...we should be looking an upgrading him asap

 

[TrueTiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

Brooks isnt a Cronk,...Cronk is much older and has been in the Melb system under one coach for a lot longer than Brooks had been..so do other players at elite level have different coaches..Brooks isnt an elite player with the experience Cronk has had..

So If he isn't an elite player ...we should be looking an upgrading him asap

No give Madge a chance to develope him into the halfback he was hyped to be...he has the ability,he just needs to have a coach for him to trust in and find confidence in his own abilities..

 

[Sart0ri]

Look back a few pages …I gave my thoughts on what we should do …got a few likes as well …maybe I’m not the humpty dumpty you think I am

The Chris Lawrence comment may have some merit but I personally don't think so, the other stuff like playing Brooks and Maden (two out and out halfbacks) has far less merit. I will concede you have provided analysis and positive suggestions.

BTW, I think you are Chicken Little, not Humpty Dumpty

 

[happy_tiger]

Look back a few pages …I gave my thoughts on what we should do …got a few likes as well …maybe I’m not the humpty dumpty you think I am

The Chris Lawrence comment may have some merit but I personally don't think so, the other stuff like playing Brooks and Maden (two out and out halfbacks) has far less merit. I will concede you have provided analysis and positive suggestions.

BTW, I think you are Chicken Little, not Humpty Dumpty

The comment I was referring was following Penrith's lead in the early 2000's and back the quality juniors 100% no matter what

Then by seasons ends you know whether they are keepers or we can use the available funds and upgrade them

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm constantly amazed that after seven seasons and 145 games, people are still waiting for (nearly) 26 year old Brooks to come of age and/or step out from the shadow of Farah, Marshall or whoever.

This year he was thoroughly outplayed by a rookie hooker and a senior citizen five-eighth.

He's an average halfback that can't deliver us a top 8 finish.

I have to have a slightly different opinion than yours Papacito,only because I look at the way he had to chop and change his playing style to suit at least 4 different coaches with different structures and gameplans...you also have to understand Luke is timid by nature and with Benji gone he may become a lot more aggressive as 2021 progresses

What about a Cooper Cronk ..he has a different club coach , different All Stars coach , different State coach and different Australian coach all in one season ..all different styles ..maybe 2 different in a week

Everyone STOP with the excuses for Brooks , Marshall , our backline , our forward pack , our defence and the results they achieve every week , and every season

They aren't good enough , they aren't acceptable , and shouldn't be acceptable by anyone involved with this club whether it is a fan ,coach ,CEO ,Football manager , medico ,assistant coach or recruitment or retention guru


Reality is tough ...but you need to deal with it


What til Rd 25 next year ...when things are even worse

Brooks isnt a Cronk,...Cronk is much older and has been in the Melb system under one coach for a lot longer than Brooks had been..so do other players at elite level have different coaches..Brooks isnt an elite player with the experience Cronk has had..

So If he isn't an elite player ...we should be looking an upgrading him asap

No give Madge a chance to develope him into the halfback he was hyped to be...he has the ability,he just needs to have a coach for him to trust in and find confidence in his own abilities..

Its been 9 seasons next year ...time to move on