Ciraldo Signs with Dogs

crazycat said:
Who's head?

Anyone here but shadow object to the Dogs hiring Madge? Anyone?
Is Madge going to poach our talent? ok Hastings, Doueihi maybe Stephano we want to keep. ...

please Bulldogs don't hire Michael McGuire. Anything but Hiring Michael McGuire. oh and don't take Brooks + Tamou + anyone else... Please don't do that! (in my best Briar Rabbit voice).
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Not mine , champ
 
tig_prmz said:
Gus gets what Gus wants. He just makes it happen. His track record is of success literally wherever he goes. Barely ever fails, and unlike Bennett doesn't leave them in a mess.

So much for our press release saying "Ciraldo doesn't want to coach in the NRL yet".
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Do you believe we needed to verify those comments with Ciraldo before publishing that release.
Why even comment publicly at all.
#Amature Hour.
 
crazycat said:
yea but it is at a cost. It's Gus's way or the highway.
The Bulldogs have lost a lot in taking Gus, Gus won't work with an organisation, he will redo it in his culture.

In some ways that may have been better here, The dogs do have a culture and a lot of past players and I suspect they have all been transplanted. We lack that, Wests never had as strong a culture as it should have (i.e. Tommy R's death and our players barely fired), I say that as a magpie true. Balmain has a very strong culture, both clubs need to bleed their culture into us and that still hasn't happened.

Bring in Gus though and he will supplant what you have.

All said and done Trent Barrett might be an alright assistant coach for us.
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Yeh but Gus' track record indicates that Gus' way is the right way.

He has succeeded somehwhat as a player, he has been an amazing coach (Panthers, NSW), he has been a crazy good Coaching Director (Roosters 02/03/04 produced Flanagan, Fitzy, Stuart, Cleary) and he has been probably one of the best execs at Panthers.

He is a narcissistic know it all who loves to toot his own horn but he is one of the few men in Rugby League who deserve to toot their horns. I think he is past his days as a man manager or a coach but with age his decision making has been top notch. As a commentator, I have outgrown listening to him, but he (or his decisions) can get the Dogs to Top 8 next year.
 
Needaname said:
Do you believe we needed to verify those comments with Ciraldo before publishing that release.
Why even comment publicly at all.
#Amature Hour.
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I honestly cannot believe we publicly released that information. I can't think of any positive that would bring. There are times when you shouldn't have transparency and this was one of those times.
 
The love for Circusalo is quite beautiful.
Adoring and as the great Richie Benaud would say
would you look at that STUNNING, ABSOLUTELY STUNNING
The thread has fleas all over it.
 
The SHADOW said:
The love for Circusalo is quite beautiful.
Adoring and as the great Richie Benaud would say
would you look at that STUNNING, ABSOLUTELY STUNNING
The thread has fleas all over it.
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Ciraldo will succeed. He has done a long apprenticeship, he's done a lot of external courses to learn about different coachings styles. He's spent times at EPL clubs, NFL clubs to learn their philosophies. He's a hard worker, he's coached Juniors, he's played rep footy with Italy and he's been managing players for close to 8 years now. He has had success at all coaching levels.

Benji will do it all in 2 years though, no problems.

If let's say Benji succeeds more than Ciraldo- cudos to him but it would be an outlier.
 
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tig_prmz said:
I honestly cannot believe we publicly released that information. I can't think of any positive that would bring. There are times when you shouldn't have transparency and this was one of those times.
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We released the information because we have idiots in charge of the club who obviously feel that looking like leaders is more important than being leaders.To them perception appears to be everything
 
tig_prmz said:
Ciraldo will succeed. He has done a long apprenticeship, he's done a lot of external courses to learn about different coachings styles. He's spent times at EPL clubs, NFL clubs to learn their philosophies. He's a hard worker, he's coached Juniors, he's played rep footy with Italy and he's been managing players for close to 8 years now. He has had success at all coaching levels.

Benji will do it all in 2 years though, no problems.

If let's say Benji succeeds more than Ciraldo- cudos to him but it would be an outlier.
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What apprenticeship has he done? He's not coached a top flight seniors team yet, sans a few games when Ivan was crook and as a transition coach when they were already in the top four. His only actual coaching credentials are a NYC coach in the mid twenty teens. He's never had to struggle with a mediocre roster, or build from one.

Fiasco has spent time with Yank sporting organisations. Just because they've done it, doesn't mean they've taken anything from it.

If by hanging around a club where other coaches and execs have laid the ground work to be successful and riding the coattails of that success constitutes an apprenticeship, then yeah, he's had a nice long apprenticeship. As an actual coach though? Yeah, nah.
 
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tig_prmz said:
Ciraldo will succeed. He has done a long apprenticeship, he's done a lot of external courses to learn about different coachings styles. He's spent times at EPL clubs, NFL clubs to learn their philosophies. He's a hard worker, he's coached Juniors, he's played rep footy with Italy and he's been managing players for close to 8 years now. He has had success at all coaching levels.

Benji will do it all in 2 years though, no problems.

If let's say Benji succeeds more than Ciraldo- cudos to him but it would be an outlier.
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Well said mate, I’m just focused on us.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
What apprenticeship has he done? He's not coached a top flight seniors team yet, sans a few games when Ivan was crook and as a transition coach when they were already in the top four. His only actual coaching credentials are a NYC coach in the mid twenty teens. He's never had to struggle with a mediocre roster, or build from one.

If by hanging around a club where other coaches and execs have laid the ground work to be successful and riding the coattails of that success constitutes an apprenticeship, then yeah, he's had a nice long apprenticeship. As an actual coach though? Yeah, nah.
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Who according to you has done a long apprenticeship then? Every coach starts from NSW Cup, U20s, U18s, U16s coach etc.. I was speaking to a S&C coach/ head of performance and he was adamant that NSW Cup coaches don't tend to work as Head Coaches because they are mainly coaching players who aren't really elite athletes. 80% of the NSW Cup squad has second jobs.

U20s is a really good start. Some don 2 hats as a NSW Cup HC and NRL assistant coach but most coaches who are serious about becoming an NRL HC tend to do assistant coach jobs as it gives them a bigger exposure to elite athletes.

Ciraldo has had as good an apprenticeship as anyone I can think of for a rookie coach. Fitzy comes a close second. As for Super League, to me it's vastly different to NRL.
 
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tig_prmz said:
Who according to you has done a long apprenticeship then? Every coach starts from NSW Cup, U20s, U18s, U16s coach etc.. I was speaking to a S&C coach/ head of performance and he was adamant that NSW Cup coaches don't tend to work as Head Coaches because they are mainly coaching players who aren't really elite athletes. 80% of the NSW Cup squad has second jobs.

U20s is a really good start. Some don 2 hats as a NSW Cup HC and NRL assistant coach but most coaches who are serious about becoming an NRL HC tend to do assistant coach jobs as it gives them a bigger exposure to elite athletes.

Ciraldo has had as good an apprenticeship as anyone I can think of for a rookie coach. Fitzy comes a close second. As for Super League, to me it's vastly different to NRL.
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Are the kids not in school/doing apprenticeships? In respect to Ciraldo, I think he has been able to hide behind the success of the Penrith system. Barrett got found out, Webster will be found out next year at the Warriors. Good on them all for being able to use their successes ar Penrith as a springboard for success.

I think modern coaches success are beholden to having competitive squads. We saw a premiership winning coach in Madge absolutely flounder here. Ciraldo would do the same. I reckon Bellamy or Bennett would struggle to get us to fire unless they started dragging names over to play under them.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
Are the kids not in school/doing apprenticeships?m.
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I don't think we are talking about the same thing here. There is a perception that Ciraldo is all the rage right now and a new flavour of the month. I simply think that he has done as good a training as possible to be a Head Coach.

I personally don't value Super League Head Coaching role as much but definitely Wolfe, Nathan Brown et al have had quite some success there.

As for coaches with previous NRL Head Coaching role, there was an article published a while back that coaches in their second stint are usually unsuccessful unless they have had success previously.
 
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Cultured_Bogan said:
What apprenticeship has he done? He's not coached a top flight seniors team yet, sans a few games when Ivan was crook and as a transition coach when they were already in the top four. His only actual coaching credentials are a NYC coach in the mid twenty teens. He's never had to struggle with a mediocre roster, or build from one.

Fiasco has spent time with Yank sporting organisations. Just because they've done it, doesn't mean they've taken anything from it.

If by hanging around a club where other coaches and execs have laid the ground work to be successful and riding the coattails of that success constitutes an apprenticeship, then yeah, he's had a nice long apprenticeship. As an actual coach though? Yeah, nah.
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Hi mate, I’ve been pressing buttons and have ended up ignoring someone. How do I reverse that process.
 
tig_prmz said:
I honestly cannot believe we publicly released that information. I can't think of any positive that would bring. There are times when you shouldn't have transparency and this was one of those times.
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My thought is they knew the odds of landing Ciraldo were minuscule. They had to know, why else would Sheens try a sell job on Laundy? Going public was a desperate attempt to back Ciraldo into a corner.
Looks like it’s also possible that internally we’re playing games.
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Hi mate, I’ve been pressing buttons and have ended up ignoring someone. How do I reverse that process.
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Click on your name at the top bar (next the mail icon,) the menu that pops up has a link "ignoring." Hit that and it'll take you to the management panel to unblock said member.
 
tig_prmz said:
I don't think we are talking about the same thing here. There is a perception that Ciraldo is all the rage right now and a new flavour of the month. I simply think that he has done as good a training as possible to be a Head Coach.

I personally don't value Super League Head Coaching role as much but definitely Wolfe, Nathan Brown et al have had quite some success there.

As for coaches with previous NRL Head Coaching role, there was an article published a while back that coaches in their second stint are usually unsuccessful unless they have had success previously.
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Yeah conversely, it's gone OK for Madge, Robinson etc.

I suppose time will tell with Ciraldo. I just think it's been easy for him to hide in a successful outfit like Penrith.
 
best of luck to Ciraldo and Gus at the dogs. I'm sure that'll be a harmonius relationship...

I'm not fussed tbh. while our handling of the entire situation was horrendous I am personally happier with our coaching plan. everyone talks identity and DNA and we would've been a second string Penrith side with Ciraldo at the helm. with Sheens, Marshall and Farah we have a trio that understand what Wests Tigers is at its very core.

in respect to Ciraldo rejecting us and opting to move to the Dogs, Gould must've pulled out all the stops, because I genuinely believe we were a far better coaching prospect for him if he wanted a like for like to Penrith. clearly it hasn't gone that way. good riddance.
 
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