Completely unacceptable: ramifications

[hobbo1]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

We don’t have the caliber of players to do it week in week out ..
The team is full of discarded rejects no other club wanted

Laurie.. not a fullback / poor positioning/ poor hands .. unwanted by Pamfers

Nofo ..he’s shit but he’s the best we can get in that position so we extended him

Doueihi ..poor defender ..is he a 6?..is he a centre .. unwanted by souffs

Talau ..he’s shit .. slow / poor defender / poor hands

The list is endless mate ..

Add Madge’s reputation for being a hard arse

No finals in a decade

6 home grounds

No proper training facilities

Divided supporter base

And that’s Wests Tigers !

 

[WT2K]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

The good sides tend to swarm in defence and 2 and 3 guys will arrive at the ball carrier at the same time. We tend to defend one out which leads to arm grabbing and some horrific misses. Tamou said their was finger pointing going on, speaks to a real issue where we are not really a team.

“Near the end there we were starting to get at each other, and I think that’s the last thing we need at the moment,”

“Start pointing the finger, only the soft ones do that. We need to be strong, we need to come together, we need to sort this out ourselves.

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

The good sides tend to swarm in defence and 2 and 3 guys will arrive at the ball carrier at the same time. We tend to defend one out which leads to arm grabbing and some horrific misses. Tamou said their was finger pointing going on, speaks to a real issue where we are not really a team.

“Near the end there we were starting to get at each other, and I think that’s the last thing we need at the moment,”

“Start pointing the finger, only the soft ones do that. We need to be strong, we need to come together, we need to sort this out ourselves.

Well at least the captain realises we have some ‘soft ones’, not sure he’s much above them though.

 

[Telltails]

Devastating. Not enjoying footy at the moment the divide is too big and the rules just make it more obvious.

 

[WT2K]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

The good sides tend to swarm in defence and 2 and 3 guys will arrive at the ball carrier at the same time. We tend to defend one out which leads to arm grabbing and some horrific misses. Tamou said their was finger pointing going on, speaks to a real issue where we are not really a team.

“Near the end there we were starting to get at each other, and I think that’s the last thing we need at the moment,”

“Start pointing the finger, only the soft ones do that. We need to be strong, we need to come together, we need to sort this out ourselves.

Well at least the captain realises we have some ‘soft ones’, not sure he’s much above them though.

won't get an argument from me on him. found Ennis words hitting on the issue.

“James Tamou is trying to do the right thing and defend his side... I was alarmed that the young guys were talking at half time,” Ennis said.

“At half time, that was the time for their senior leaders to stand up and take ownership of what had just unfolded.

“There’s huge problems at the Wests Tigers, there’s no denying that. Leadership is a real concern.

“When they were standing in a huddle behind their line (trainer) Robbie Farah was the one talking, there didn’t seem to be any other chat coming out of their (players).

“Tonight is the night I think Michael Maguire learned a lot about some individuals in his side, and it’s time he started to make some hard decisions.”

 

[cochise]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

The good sides tend to swarm in defence and 2 and 3 guys will arrive at the ball carrier at the same time. We tend to defend one out which leads to arm grabbing and some horrific misses. Tamou said their was finger pointing going on, speaks to a real issue where we are not really a team.

“Near the end there we were starting to get at each other, and I think that’s the last thing we need at the moment,”

“Start pointing the finger, only the soft ones do that. We need to be strong, we need to come together, we need to sort this out ourselves.

Well at least the captain realises we have some ‘soft ones’, not sure he’s much above them though.

won't get an argument from me on him. found Ennis words hitting on the issue.

“James Tamou is trying to do the right thing and defend his side... I was alarmed that the young guys were talking at half time,” Ennis said.

“At half time, that was the time for their senior leaders to stand up and take ownership of what had just unfolded.

“There’s huge problems at the Wests Tigers, there’s no denying that. Leadership is a real concern.

“When they were standing in a huddle behind their line (trainer) Robbie Farah was the one talking, there didn’t seem to be any other chat coming out of their (players).

“Tonight is the night I think Michael Maguire learned a lot about some individuals in his side, and it’s time he started to make some hard decisions.”

On at least one of the tries it was Seyfarth behind the line doing all the talking.

 

[jadtiger]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

The good sides tend to swarm in defence and 2 and 3 guys will arrive at the ball carrier at the same time. We tend to defend one out which leads to arm grabbing and some horrific misses. Tamou said their was finger pointing going on, speaks to a real issue where we are not really a team.

“Near the end there we were starting to get at each other, and I think that’s the last thing we need at the moment,”

“Start pointing the finger, only the soft ones do that. We need to be strong, we need to come together, we need to sort this out ourselves.

Well at least the captain realises we have some ‘soft ones’, not sure he’s much above them though.

won't get an argument from me on him. found Ennis words hitting on the issue.

“James Tamou is trying to do the right thing and defend his side... I was alarmed that the young guys were talking at half time,” Ennis said.

“At half time, that was the time for their senior leaders to stand up and take ownership of what had just unfolded.

“There’s huge problems at the Wests Tigers, there’s no denying that. Leadership is a real concern.

“When they were standing in a huddle behind their line (trainer) Robbie Farah was the one talking, there didn’t seem to be any other chat coming out of their (players).

“Tonight is the night I think Michael Maguire learned a lot about some individuals in his side, and it’s time he started to make some hard decisions.”

On at least one of the tries it was Seyfarth behind the line doing all the talking.

Seyfarth has emerged into a player worth keeping for the future.He dosen't give up and keeps on working,i wish i could say the same for others who have bigger reputations and bigger contracts.He will never be a world beater but he is the sort of player all clubs need.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Madge has copped alot by Tamou needs to step down as captain - he isn’t the leader we need.

Tamou only had 3 hitups, makes 26mtrs & only had to make 21 tackles. When we needed someone to lead and when our forwards get smacked guess who isn’t leading.

Last week he was also least effective forward.

Tamou said after the game they have issues, well he is one of those issues. People complained about Mbye last year but Tamou is worse. At least Mbye is talking in the huddles with the players whilst Tamou isn’t.

 

[TrueTiger]

Go and watch the try early in the first half, Luciano Leilua moves up too quick and there is a moment where he could have propped off his right foot and hit the Storm forward ball and all and saved a try but instead of going into contact he chooses to avoid it and let’s in a soft try. He chose to let in a try. He then let in several others before being hooked. If he gets picked for Wests Tigers again the club is a farce. Forget bashing Madge we have guys who aren’t even trying.


Lucy has been poor for a while in defence.A forward who can't or won't defend is of little value.Last year he tackled decently but for probably the last 7-8 weeks it has been getting progressively worse

I wonder if his form has something to do with his bro not playing up to scratch and its wearing off on him...
Both need to find jobs in marketing....Oportos comes to mind...
I cant just blame Madge and I cant stick up for him much longer if he cant get that he has to make changes,picking the same peahearts eventually leads to scorelines like last week and this week...

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

The good sides tend to swarm in defence and 2 and 3 guys will arrive at the ball carrier at the same time. We tend to defend one out which leads to arm grabbing and some horrific misses. Tamou said their was finger pointing going on, speaks to a real issue where we are not really a team.

“Near the end there we were starting to get at each other, and I think that’s the last thing we need at the moment,”

“Start pointing the finger, only the soft ones do that. We need to be strong, we need to come together, we need to sort this out ourselves.

Well at least the captain realises we have some ‘soft ones’, not sure he’s much above them though.

won't get an argument from me on him. found Ennis words hitting on the issue.

“James Tamou is trying to do the right thing and defend his side... I was alarmed that the young guys were talking at half time,” Ennis said.

“At half time, that was the time for their senior leaders to stand up and take ownership of what had just unfolded.

“There’s huge problems at the Wests Tigers, there’s no denying that. Leadership is a real concern.

“When they were standing in a huddle behind their line (trainer) Robbie Farah was the one talking, there didn’t seem to be any other chat coming out of their (players).

“Tonight is the night I think Michael Maguire learned a lot about some individuals in his side, and it’s time he started to make some hard decisions.”

On at least one of the tries it was Seyfarth behind the line doing all the talking.

Pretty much says it all, what’s he played 8 games?

 

[Dene1983]

Absolutely pathetic, gone from Grand final to watching this shit. I love Madge but his tactics and strategies are completely crap. No matter the state of the game he does the same rotations every week. Something has to give because there is no way that is acceptable.
Dene.

 

[Dene1983]

Pretty much says it all, what’s he played 8 games?

Exactly.. it's embarrassing. Seyfarth is one of the only couple who shows passion and heart. He should be bloody starting.

 

[matchball]

Absolutely pathetic, gone from Grand final to watching this shit. I love Madge but his tactics and strategies are completely crap. No matter the state of the game he does the same rotations every week. Something has to give because there is no way that is acceptable.
Dene.

Imagine the storm didn't lose a player to the sin bin?
It would have been 80-0. We wouldn't have scored.
That's the reality and probably saved us a worse record and more negative media attention.

 

[Dene1983]

Imagine the storm didn’t lose a player to the sin bin?
It would have been 80-0. We wouldn’t have scored.
That’s the reality and probably saved us a worse record and more negative media attention.

Couldn't agree more mate. Unfortunately the spotlight and media will still be on us..and rightfully so. That is absolutely embarrassing.
We need a Blore and seyfarth starting just for pure aggression rather than skill. Bring Tamou and garner off the bench. Something needs to be done because I bloody love this club.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Why are people talking about our backs and edge defense? Really? The problem all year has been the defensive work of our forwards. From the first or second tackle when Garner got smashed attempting to tackle Solomona there were major danger signs. They made about 40 metres on the first three tackles in their first 6 sets. Garner did a little better in the second set, actually holding on in the tackle, but he still fell on his back and conceded a quick play the ball.

The speed of the play the ball was out of control: markers couldn't even get square in time, Storm players were running ten metres before contact with Tigers on the back foot and halves had all the time they liked to distribute. It's the inablity of our forwards to create dominant tackles and slow the opposing team down that is our biggest issue.

We need more men in the tackle, need better ability to hold them up, need to wrap the ball up better and need to put opponents on their back.

I can't see Tamou, Twal, Joe O, Garner being anything but support players in a good pack. None are bad players (Tamou is probably the most passive of them) but none are dominant tacklers. We haven't had that since Gareth Ellis.

We had the exact same problem against the cowboys, the Titans at campbo, Parra last week. We aren't competitive.

Who cares who our backline is? Honestly it's absolutely irrelevant until we can compete physically in the forwards.

I mostly agree, but Joe O is a dominant tackler, and also this “holding them up in the tackle” is part of the problem, they need to be smashed to the ground , hard, this crap of concentrating on gently trying to lock the ball up is what makes teams love to play us and get a ton of easy offloads away, they have no fear of the defence, they never have a look as nothing is coming at them to worry them at all

 

[cochise]

Why are people talking about our backs and edge defense? Really? The problem all year has been the defensive work of our forwards. From the first or second tackle when Garner got smashed attempting to tackle Solomona there were major danger signs. They made about 40 metres on the first three tackles in their first 6 sets. Garner did a little better in the second set, actually holding on in the tackle, but he still fell on his back and conceded a quick play the ball.

The speed of the play the ball was out of control: markers couldn't even get square in time, Storm players were running ten metres before contact with Tigers on the back foot and halves had all the time they liked to distribute. It's the inablity of our forwards to create dominant tackles and slow the opposing team down that is our biggest issue.

We need more men in the tackle, need better ability to hold them up, need to wrap the ball up better and need to put opponents on their back.

I can't see Tamou, Twal, Joe O, Garner being anything but support players in a good pack. None are bad players (Tamou is probably the most passive of them) but none are dominant tacklers. We haven't had that since Gareth Ellis.

We had the exact same problem against the cowboys, the Titans at campbo, Parra last week. We aren't competitive.

Who cares who our backline is? Honestly it's absolutely irrelevant until we can compete physically in the forwards.

I mostly agree, but Joe O is a dominant tackler, and also this “holding them up in the tackle” is part of the problem, they need to be smashed to the ground , hard, this crap of concentrating on gently trying to lock the ball up is what makes teams love to play us and get a ton of easy offloads away, they have no fear of the defence, they never have a look as nothing is coming at them to worry them at all

Exactly mate, that is what I am seeing as well.

 

[cqtiger]

Gotta laugh at those saying Maguire not to blame, it’s all on the players.

Wake up!

Maguire picks the players.

Check our defensive record, it is shameful. How can Maguire sit there and mumble stuff like “it’s not who we are” when it is EXACTLY who we are and have been for quite some time.

Does he wipe his hands of responsibility when it comes to players tackling, or lack of?

He is cooked.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Fall on his sword. He is a l.ame duck now. The players know it and the loss of respect even though it won't be openly stated will be enormous.

 

[tigertuff]

Absolutely pathetic, gone from Grand final to watching this shit. I love Madge but his tactics and strategies are completely crap. No matter the state of the game he does the same rotations every week. Something has to give because there is no way that is acceptable.
Dene.

Imagine the storm didn't lose a player to the sin bin?
It would have been 80-0. We wouldn't have scored.
That's the reality and probably saved us a worse record and more negative media attention.

They also had the Bromwich bros ,Papenhausen out and lost 3 players to injuries

 

[sleeve]

Sorry to say it, but Madges selections are on par with the game plan(or lack of), discipline (there is none) structure,(whats that?) agression, (whats that ?) It's a simple fact , we are a poorly coached team of sub standard players.