Completely unacceptable: ramifications

[cochise]

Sorry to say it, but Madges selections are on par with the game plan(or lack of), discipline (there is none) structure,(whats that?) agression, (whats that ?) It's a simple fact , we are a poorly coached team of sub standard players.

And players that he brought to the club. All way to slow for the modern game. Tamou wouldnt make any other teams first grade side and Madge has made him captain. Now he want Tpj - wow. We need hard arse defenders not big slow edge backrowers who turn up for 5 games a year. Our recruitment has been poor big time.

We won't get TPj

Too many fans complaining.
He will also be going to a better club.

Wait and see.

If i was TPj and had not yet signed, i would run a mile!
But we need him and more desparately.
WE need speed and power, the Tigers are soft and slow.

I really like Pangai Junior but he’ll make no difference to us whatsoever. At this stage not sure any player could. We’re a mess

And, I share your frustration, but what do you mean by a "mess"?

The players look disinterested, the coaching style isn’t working. We are a better team than we showed last night.

I’m shouted down on here by a few for being too negative towards the coach, but we are now in year 3 and we’re getting progressively worse. I’m not sure how we get out of this predicament but changing nothing is not the answer.

The only thing that keeps off the sack Madge bandwagon is no decent coach is going to come here.

That’s also a problem. But what’s happening now is not sustainable. He’s been given more than enough time to at least improve things.

At this point in time I would be surrounding him with the best possible support.

Hey Madge, can you go over and get the balls. Thanks Tim

Sheens is not the answer

Why ?

Mate, I am the biggest Tim Sheens fan, but he hasn't coached in the NRL in 10 years.

I did just check his results in the Super League and they are better than I expected, maybe I could be convinced on Sheens.

Footy is footy mate ...
It’s the same code no matter what comp or what league ..
Sheens has the smarts ..
Walk past Madge in the street ..think ..he’s a flog
Walk past sheens in the street.. think
..legend
My 2 cents

To be honest I think I could probably be convinced on Tim Sheens if he came with some sort of clear succession plan in place.

 

[Aubanon]

On Sheens, what he gives us is a caretaker/fatherly figure the club needs - Think Mal Meninga @titans.

I'm certain this was one of the reasons why he was recruited. I don't expect there to be any movement on madge during the season, but with Sheens on board, there could be a review at the end of the year.

Side note - from a recruitment role perspective, Sheens reports to Adam H officially. Also, club yet to book his return flights to Oz (availability), so unsure of exact arrival.

 

[Furious1]

Have read the entire thread and people seem to be torn as to whether it’s a player - coach or even board issue. Last night highlighted something to me and that’s leadership - a that is something all groups are responsible for. When things are going south, people look to their leaders for answers and we did not have any last night.

The Storm started like a whirlwind and were very good. Couple that with a few bad errors from us and questionable referee decisions and we down 24 before we really touched the ball.

It’s at that point that the leadership matters. On field who hikes the troops together to say follow me? Off field? Madge walking out at half time, throwing his toys out of the pram? That’s not leadership. The board who have consistently let a culture of mediocrity flourish- that isn’t either.

By the way, talking behind the goalposts about what we should be doing doesn’t cut it either. The guy who charges into the teeth if their defence, who pulls of a hit, who jumps on the loose ball and does the 1 percenters is that guy.

The coach who walk in and inspires his players to go out and put in a better performance. Gives them some advice or fresh ideas and takes ownership as much as the players. He doesn’t distance himself. Could you see Trent Robinson doing that?

Get some real leadership in key positions on and off field and we may see results.

BTW Seyfarth and Doueihi are good starts on the field

Leadership starts at the top mate. You're absolutely right. The fact that after 20 odd years nobody in this club has had the balls to pick a single home ground tells you all you need to know.

 

[cochise]

On Sheens, what he gives us is a caretaker/fatherly figure the club needs - Think Mal Meninga @titans.

I'm certain this was one of the reasons why he was recruited. I don't expect there to be any movement on madge during the season, but with Sheens on board, there could be a review at the end of the year.

Side note - from a recruitment role perspective, Sheens reports to Adam H officially. Also, club yet to book his return flights to Oz (availability), so unsure of exact arrival.

He doesn't report to Hartigan, he reports directly to Pascoe. He is in a fulltime role primarily focusing on pathways but involved in other aspects of the football department. He is being seen as an opportunity to mentor Hartigan as well as others.

 

[Aubanon]

On Sheens, what he gives us is a caretaker/fatherly figure the club needs - Think Mal Meninga @titans.

I'm certain this was one of the reasons why he was recruited. I don't expect there to be any movement on madge during the season, but with Sheens on board, there could be a review at the end of the year.

Side note - from a recruitment role perspective, Sheens reports to Adam H officially. Also, club yet to book his return flights to Oz (availability), so unsure of exact arrival.

He doesn't report to Hartigan, he reports directly to Pascoe. He is in a fulltime role primarily focusing on pathways but involved in other aspects of the football department. He is being seen as an opportunity to mentor Hartigan as well as others.

I'm only reporting what a staff member told me. I found the proposed org structure baffling.

 

[cochise]

On Sheens, what he gives us is a caretaker/fatherly figure the club needs - Think Mal Meninga @titans.

I'm certain this was one of the reasons why he was recruited. I don't expect there to be any movement on madge during the season, but with Sheens on board, there could be a review at the end of the year.

Side note - from a recruitment role perspective, Sheens reports to Adam H officially. Also, club yet to book his return flights to Oz (availability), so unsure of exact arrival.

He doesn't report to Hartigan, he reports directly to Pascoe. He is in a fulltime role primarily focusing on pathways but involved in other aspects of the football department. He is being seen as an opportunity to mentor Hartigan as well as others.

I'm only reporting what a staff member told me. I found the proposed org structure baffling.

I'm pretty confident Sheens reports to Pascoe, not trying to call you out so sorry if it came across that way.

 

[TrueTiger]

Sorry to say it, but Madges selections are on par with the game plan(or lack of), discipline (there is none) structure,(whats that?) agression, (whats that ?) It's a simple fact , we are a poorly coached team of sub standard players.

We went into the year with no up to standard centres.

BJs a flow.
Jet is past it.

AJ and Talau are not ready and Talau never ill be...

@TrueTiger what are your thoughts?
You sticking up for these guys still?
Genuine interested in your take on last night's game.

I didnt watch the game,I only seen bits and pieces as I was working...
From what I did see and read on the forum,it appears that the whole training and bonding went out the door and holiday mode set in..
My genuine thoughts are that now Madge has to bring in some other players from the squad and give them a go,otherwise it would be a waste of squad and cap space not using some that qualify...
Iam one of Madges supporters as he is our coach and I support this club as a whole,however,having said that,Madges reputation is on the line while this lot of players dish up poor efforts week after week...I can only stick up for the younger guys who do show plenty of potential and have talent,but once again they are young and learning and from that point the recruitment has done well getting these young players into our system..
One example I will give you...
Nicho Hynes...played a hand full of games in NRL..
Daine Laurie...also has played a hand full of games in the NRL...
Given the choice between them,who would you buy to be the player in your squad...
I love DL but once again he is young and learning and didnt have a preseason with us really but was doing well,and yet he played poorly last night so they say...
AJ is out with an ACL injury,but was given a go in the centres and played very well,now the season is gone for him and we have to have makeshift centres,TT really needs KOE cup time...
I could make more examples but I think you understand what Im saying....sorry for the long response...

 

[TigerWest]

It just seems to me, that the plan to keep salaries low, while commendable, is not working?

We need some players who define professionalism, it seems you have to pay for that? I do believe we have some good players but just need a few who are better than good.

Some current players have shown that they are not up to it and should be moved on, even some who have recently been long term signings.

What do we have all the cash for?

Madge can only get them out of the sheds, how they handle it once on the field is really up to them?

This has been a 10 year problem, getting rid of the coach is not the answer, because it will turn into a 12 or 13 year problem.

Have we all forgotten the history of Sheens, here and at other clubs? For me, he will be good in the pathways program but he is way past coaching NRL?

 

[Demps]

Sorry to say it, but Madges selections are on par with the game plan(or lack of), discipline (there is none) structure,(whats that?) agression, (whats that ?) It's a simple fact , we are a poorly coached team of sub standard players.

We went into the year with no up to standard centres.

BJs a flow.
Jet is past it.

AJ and Talau are not ready and Talau never ill be...

@TrueTiger what are your thoughts?
You sticking up for these guys still?
Genuine interested in your take on last night's game.

I didnt watch the game,I only seen bits and pieces as I was working...
From what I did see and read on the forum,it appears that the whole training and bonding went out the door and holiday mode set in..
My genuine thoughts are that now Madge has to bring in some other players from the squad and give them a go,otherwise it would be a waste of squad and cap space not using some that qualify...
Iam one of Madges supporters as he is our coach and I support this club as a whole,however,having said that,Madges reputation is on the line while this lot of players dish up poor efforts week after week...I can only stick up for the younger guys who do show plenty of potential and have talent,but once again they are young and learning and from that point the recruitment has done well getting these young players into our system..
One example I will give you...
Nicho Hynes...played a hand full of games in NRL..
Daine Laurie...also has played a hand full of games in the NRL...
Given the choice between them,who would you buy to be the player in your squad...
I love DL but once again he is young and learning and didnt have a preseason with us really but was doing well,and yet he played poorly last night so they say...
AJ is out with an ACL injury,but was given a go in the centres and played very well,now the season is gone for him and we have to have makeshift centres,TT really needs KOE cup time...
I could make more examples but I think you understand what Im saying....sorry for the long response...

Appreciate the reply...

I agree to an extent.
The season is over.

Let's blood some of the better prospects and start thinking to next year.
With a strong focus on recruitment.

Allan Fitzbala and Kia Coooper : it's time
Kelma and Tuki : it's time.
Pauga and Cini : it's time and another chance for Zachini.

Let's get ready for 2022.
The rest of the year can be considered a training camp.

 

[hank37w]

Just breaking things down, 66-16 is kind of equal to 22 - 5 isn't it? Doesn't sound so bad.

That would be 5.3333333.

Give us some credit.

 

[Krammy]

Sorry to say it, but Madges selections are on par with the game plan(or lack of), discipline (there is none) structure,(whats that?) agression, (whats that ?) It's a simple fact , we are a poorly coached team of sub standard players.

And players that he brought to the club. All way to slow for the modern game. Tamou wouldnt make any other teams first grade side and Madge has made him captain. Now he want Tpj - wow. We need hard arse defenders not big slow edge backrowers who turn up for 5 games a year. Our recruitment has been poor big time.

We won't get TPj

Too many fans complaining.
He will also be going to a better club.

Wait and see.

If i was TPj and had not yet signed, i would run a mile!
But we need him and more desparately.
WE need speed and power, the Tigers are soft and slow.

I really like Pangai Junior but he’ll make no difference to us whatsoever. At this stage not sure any player could. We’re a mess

And, I share your frustration, but what do you mean by a "mess"?

The players look disinterested, the coaching style isn’t working. We are a better team than we showed last night.

I’m shouted down on here by a few for being too negative towards the coach, but we are now in year 3 and we’re getting progressively worse. I’m not sure how we get out of this predicament but changing nothing is not the answer.

The only thing that keeps off the sack Madge bandwagon is no decent coach is going to come here.

That’s also a problem. But what’s happening now is not sustainable. He’s been given more than enough time to at least improve things.

At this point in time I would be surrounding him with the best possible support.

Hey Madge, can you go over and get the balls. Thanks Tim

Sheens is not the answer

Why ?

Mate, I am the biggest Tim Sheens fan, but he hasn't coached in the NRL in 10 years.

I did just check his results in the Super League and they are better than I expected, maybe I could be convinced on Sheens.

Footy is footy mate ...
It’s the same code no matter what comp or what league ..
Sheens has the smarts ..
Walk past Madge in the street ..think ..he’s a flog
Walk past sheens in the street.. think
..legend
My 2 cents

To be honest I think I could probably be convinced on Tim Sheens if he came with some sort of clear succession plan in place.

I'm hoping he might do what Gould did at Penrith. He took some time, but made fundamental changes from ground up. The Panthers are benefitting from that now. If that means flicking Madge, some backroom staff and a swathe of players, go for it.

 

[cqtiger]

Sorry to say it, but Madges selections are on par with the game plan(or lack of), discipline (there is none) structure,(whats that?) agression, (whats that ?) It's a simple fact , we are a poorly coached team of sub standard players.

And players that he brought to the club. All way to slow for the modern game. Tamou wouldnt make any other teams first grade side and Madge has made him captain. Now he want Tpj - wow. We need hard arse defenders not big slow edge backrowers who turn up for 5 games a year. Our recruitment has been poor big time.

We won't get TPj

Too many fans complaining.
He will also be going to a better club.

Wait and see.

If i was TPj and had not yet signed, i would run a mile!
But we need him and more desparately.
WE need speed and power, the Tigers are soft and slow.

I really like Pangai Junior but he’ll make no difference to us whatsoever. At this stage not sure any player could. We’re a mess

And, I share your frustration, but what do you mean by a "mess"?

The players look disinterested, the coaching style isn’t working. We are a better team than we showed last night.

I’m shouted down on here by a few for being too negative towards the coach, but we are now in year 3 and we’re getting progressively worse. I’m not sure how we get out of this predicament but changing nothing is not the answer.

The only thing that keeps off the sack Madge bandwagon is no decent coach is going to come here.

That’s also a problem. But what’s happening now is not sustainable. He’s been given more than enough time to at least improve things.

At this point in time I would be surrounding him with the best possible support.

Hey Madge, can you go over and get the balls. Thanks Tim

Sheens is not the answer

Why ?

Mate, I am the biggest Tim Sheens fan, but he hasn't coached in the NRL in 10 years.

I did just check his results in the Super League and they are better than I expected, maybe I could be convinced on Sheens.

Footy is footy mate ...
It’s the same code no matter what comp or what league ..
Sheens has the smarts ..
Walk past Madge in the street ..think ..he’s a flog
Walk past sheens in the street.. think
..legend
My 2 cents

Sheens sure as hell can’t make it worse.

 

[bigsiro]

Sorry to say it, but Madges selections are on par with the game plan(or lack of), discipline (there is none) structure,(whats that?) agression, (whats that ?) It's a simple fact , we are a poorly coached team of sub standard players.

And players that he brought to the club. All way to slow for the modern game. Tamou wouldnt make any other teams first grade side and Madge has made him captain. Now he want Tpj - wow. We need hard arse defenders not big slow edge backrowers who turn up for 5 games a year. Our recruitment has been poor big time.

We won't get TPj

Too many fans complaining.
He will also be going to a better club.

Wait and see.

If i was TPj and had not yet signed, i would run a mile!
But we need him and more desparately.
WE need speed and power, the Tigers are soft and slow.

I really like Pangai Junior but he’ll make no difference to us whatsoever. At this stage not sure any player could. We’re a mess

And, I share your frustration, but what do you mean by a "mess"?

The players look disinterested, the coaching style isn’t working. We are a better team than we showed last night.

I’m shouted down on here by a few for being too negative towards the coach, but we are now in year 3 and we’re getting progressively worse. I’m not sure how we get out of this predicament but changing nothing is not the answer.

The only thing that keeps off the sack Madge bandwagon is no decent coach is going to come here.

That’s also a problem. But what’s happening now is not sustainable. He’s been given more than enough time to at least improve things.

At this point in time I would be surrounding him with the best possible support.

Hey Madge, can you go over and get the balls. Thanks Tim

Sheens is not the answer

Why ?

Mate, I am the biggest Tim Sheens fan, but he hasn't coached in the NRL in 10 years.

I did just check his results in the Super League and they are better than I expected, maybe I could be convinced on Sheens.

Footy is footy mate ...
It’s the same code no matter what comp or what league ..
Sheens has the smarts ..
Walk past Madge in the street ..think ..he’s a flog
Walk past sheens in the street.. think
..legend
My 2 cents

I have been a Madge fan but there’s no denying Sheens is class. Even in many lean years he gave us stature.

 

[JC99]

Sorry to say it, but Madges selections are on par with the game plan(or lack of), discipline (there is none) structure,(whats that?) agression, (whats that ?) It's a simple fact , we are a poorly coached team of sub standard players.

And players that he brought to the club. All way to slow for the modern game. Tamou wouldnt make any other teams first grade side and Madge has made him captain. Now he want Tpj - wow. We need hard arse defenders not big slow edge backrowers who turn up for 5 games a year. Our recruitment has been poor big time.

We won't get TPj

Too many fans complaining.
He will also be going to a better club.

Wait and see.

If i was TPj and had not yet signed, i would run a mile!
But we need him and more desparately.
WE need speed and power, the Tigers are soft and slow.

I really like Pangai Junior but he’ll make no difference to us whatsoever. At this stage not sure any player could. We’re a mess

And, I share your frustration, but what do you mean by a "mess"?

The players look disinterested, the coaching style isn’t working. We are a better team than we showed last night.

I’m shouted down on here by a few for being too negative towards the coach, but we are now in year 3 and we’re getting progressively worse. I’m not sure how we get out of this predicament but changing nothing is not the answer.

The only thing that keeps off the sack Madge bandwagon is no decent coach is going to come here.

That’s also a problem. But what’s happening now is not sustainable. He’s been given more than enough time to at least improve things.

At this point in time I would be surrounding him with the best possible support.

It’s an option, but I think he’s done his dash.

He'll probably get the Taylor treatment sacked a few weeks into the season if he starts poorly next year. Problem is who's even available as head coaches? Need to find a good assistant coach who's looking for a top role

That would be unwise IMO. We have a bit to spend for next year, players will want to know who they’re playing for

That's a good point and something the club will have to think about, it's definitely held us back in the past.

 

[Demps]

Does Brooks 0.57% against Melb change after last night's game?

@Everything-WT @Tiger_Fanatic3 @TheDaBoss

 

[hank37w]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

We actually have a game plan do we?

I thought that was the reason Sheens was coming, because he could usually be relied on to come up with something creative.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Does Brooks 0.57% against Melb change after last night's game?

@Everything-WT @Tiger_Fanatic3 @TheDaBoss

Yes 0.00%

 

[Demps]

Does Brooks 0.57% against Melb change after last night's game?

@Everything-WT @Tiger_Fanatic3 @TheDaBoss

Yes 0.00%

??

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Does Brooks 0.57% against Melb change after last night's game?

@Everything-WT @Tiger_Fanatic3 @TheDaBoss

Yes 0.00%

??

Apart from coupla conversions

 

[hank37w]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Backtracking and crabbing ..we ain’t got the cattle atm to take on top teams

Agree Hobbo. Let me ask you, do you think we will ever? Serious question. If so, how? Maybe I'm missing something. I hope I am.

Probably not .
Every comp needs a basket case to hone there skills on ..
Unfortunately we’re that basket case

Hard to believe we have won 5 games, but I am seriously concerned about the bye.