Completely unacceptable: ramifications

[Blaze]

When one of our most passionate fans...
@Milky .. walks away from the club.

It's time to admit we have a problem.

Roster overhaul needed.
Coaching staff overhaul needed.

Agreed Demps but we have been doing this for years.
Desperate times seek desperate measures. Offer overs to at least 3-4 young big names in the off season. Ensure we sign all 4 no matter what the price.

Time to cheat the cap. If we get busted who cares? Could it get worse? 🙂

If I remember correctly, parra got busted for cheating the cap, coped the penalty and had a much better team in half the time. Meanwhile we plod along playing by the rules and get nowhere… I dunno. Something stinks and it’s been hiding in our club for years… until we find it, we are on a lost highway I’m afraid.

 

[happy_tiger]

Forum meltdown has begun

Only taken 10 years

Will someone finally hold this club accountable

NRL should threaten the to kick us out of the comp if we can't make the 8 by 2025

But we make the NRL lots of $$$

And lots of memes

Geo is on Discord.. deadset potty mouth

Forum meltdown has begun

Only taken 10 years

Will someone finally hold this club accountable

NRL should threaten the to kick us out of the comp if we can't make the 8 by 2025

But we make the NRL lots of $$$

And lots of memes

Geo is on Discord.. deadset potty mouth ?

Come over !

@Demps

No ...the discord is evil ..they made us lose last night

Don't hate.

We got Milky and Stryker over there.
All we need is you to make it full circle.

Stryker said he needs to talk to you.
Make amends.
Extending the olive branch.

Join us ?

Never ......splitters

 

[hobbo1]

Forum meltdown has begun

Only taken 10 years

Will someone finally hold this club accountable

NRL should threaten the to kick us out of the comp if we can't make the 8 by 2025

But we make the NRL lots of $$$

And lots of memes

Geo is on Discord.. deadset potty mouth

Forum meltdown has begun

Only taken 10 years

Will someone finally hold this club accountable

NRL should threaten the to kick us out of the comp if we can't make the 8 by 2025

But we make the NRL lots of $$$

And lots of memes

Geo is on Discord.. deadset potty mouth ?

Come over !

@Demps

No ...the discord is evil ..they made us lose last night

Don't hate.

We got Milky and Stryker over there.
All we need is you to make it full circle.

Stryker said he needs to talk to you.
Make amends.
Extending the olive branch.

Join us ?

Never ......splitters

Better than being a splitarse

 

[Tiger_heart]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.

Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

Was it on both sides though ? . The other side was relatively ok. I mean it leaked points , but most of that starts in the middle .

Jimmy cannot ever , ever play centre again . He’s horrible beyond anything I’ve ever seen . Lucy is just as horrible , and btw , wouldn’t have come back on IMO if Blore didn’t do his ankle . He was still sipping pina Coladas on the beach at Noosa .

 

[TigerWest]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

 

[cochise]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

 

[TigerVinnie]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

 

[happy_tiger]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

Ron Massey compliant .....

 

[TigerWest]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

 

[happy_tiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

 

[cochise]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

What does that mean?

 

[Demps]

Agree with @TigerVinnie

People will simply walk away from the game if it's a 3 horse race or whatever.

I already know people are doing this.
It's losing fans and viewers.

They should be projecting outcomes and understand if this continues its not viable.

The NRL needs a review and some self reflection on what's best for the game.

Penrith vs Melb, 2 years in a row.
And what, next year? The same....

May as well just have a penalty shoot out and save us 26 rounds of heart ache and decide who plays in the GF that way.

PVL has done the game no favours.
The same teams always winning.... how exciting
.. (not)

 

[Demps]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

What does that mean?

I think he means they aren't up to standard.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Thats it.

Madge is the leader of all the leaders and they just aren’t improving.

We beat a Knights team with all strike weapons missing, beat a Dragons team with a bunch of players out and beat a Panthers team with over half the team gone including the spine.

We haven’t beaten anyone at strength or even come close.

We had Tommy round and before game Madge said we are on. We weren’t.

We have the 2nd worst defensive record in the comp only Brisbane are worse.

Our coach every week for last 2yrs keeps saying defense, shoulders and who we want to be but it’s clear he has no idea on how to improve the current squad - we have gone backwards. We aren’t even in the match.

Second something goes wrong we leak points and fast. There is no leader, no adjustment to tactics, our defensive structures are wrong.

Lets break down a few things more if a true defensive coach should be doing

1) Lucy, he comes in as 3rd man midfield to tackle and when he is last man off the player teams have a 80% strike rate of going to our right and scoring next play. 80%. We have leaked 22 tries because of this.

2) Talau, the kid has ability but he is making stupid and errors not in pressure situations. We have conceded 8 tries next set from a TT error. We stay compressed in our attacking play rather than switch to defensive structure

3) Laurie - this kid is great with the ball but he just isn’t a fullback. He isn’t barking orders. He is doing more than controlling. He often over covers which in turn requires our other wingers to stay back and cover the remaining space. This then means we are up and down defensively and the opposition have a 1-2 man overlap if they offload & switch. 6 tries have come from this play.

4) our defensive pattern & sitting back. OMG this is the easiest thing to adjust but we have never adjusted to it. This game is simple stop players from making meters and close down space. You don’t do that allowing players to get a wind up and run over the advantage line and then hit them. Reason being it creates space, faster play the balls, perception we don’t get the rub of the calls with refs and allows 2nd phase play. We sit back time and time again or we have a hero run up. No communication, no aggression pattern or structure occurs.

5) last one is Tamou. 3 games he has made 100+mtrs out of 15. He hasn’t even come close in most. He is a friggen prop, captain and should be leading by example. He is deadset taking the crap out of us. He isn’t leading by making 3-4 hitups a game, he isn’t leading playing 40mins a game. He has been the biggest failure this year. When things go wrong he doesn’t bark orders or lead us. He is the worst captain we have ever had in a Wests Tigers jersey. Why is this a defensive issue because his involvement is low and not effective with the ball it is a major contributor as to why we defend in bad positions.

 

[TigerWest]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

What does that mean?

If you are not compliant, it means you do not fit the standard required?

 

[cochise]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

What does that mean?

I think he means they aren't up to standard.

Compliant relates to regulations not ability

 

[TigerVinnie]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

 

[cochise]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

What does that mean?

If you are not compliant, it means you do not fit the standard required?

So not NRL standard, compliant suggests they do not meet NRL rules.

 

[TigerWest]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Promotion and relegation