@honkylips said in [Completely unacceptable: ramifications](/post/1393317) said:
I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.
For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.
Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.
We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.
We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.
Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.
Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.
Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.
Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts
No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.
Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.
Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.
There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.
Sink or swim time?
Chuck a debut to some blokes
Whats the worst that could happen? We losd bg 60
Exactly. Didn’t we already sink?
I wasn't talking about the NRL team but the juniors you would start in NRL. Are they ready? If not what do you think would happen to them, brining them into this NRL squad?
We really are in a horrible spot. Going with a youth policy but can’t blood them because we’re so bad.
I wouldn't be starting a whole bunch all at once. But brining them through maybe one or two at a time. Which is what we have been doing to give them a taste. Trouble is no one in the KOEC is really a stand out. You can usually watch the lower grades and say yep he's got it, but none have really shown that. Maybe Simpkin but I really don't think he is even ready. I'd probable give Simpkins a run and maybe Tuilagi. We gave Amone a run but really he was gassed after about 10 minutes. Didn't do much wrong though. In all seriousness that don't really inspire.
They’re probably watching our first grade guys get paid millions to leave at half time, play disinterested footy, spend their days posting on Instagram and the like. Not surprising they’re not improving.
I think that is a big issue and part of the culture problem. Apart form Tamou and Doueihi there are no other leaders in the NRL squad. You have people that talk themselves up but have no substance behind the talk and some a just delusional. That is a very bad situation to be in.
