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Rugby league's dirty secret: confessions of an NRL bagman
May 9, 2016 - 12:36AM
>
Parramatta Eels' 'deliberate system of cheating'
By KATE MCCLYMONT
They are known as "the money men" and they are rugby league's dirty secret.
>
Every club has them, said one businessman, and he should know because over the years he has both collected "the folding stuff" and put in his own money to try to buy an advantage for his team.
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"If you honestly believe the [names successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head."
>
The money men are club diehards whose loyalty to their team is being exploited by club officials who are organising for cash payments to be made directly to players or their managers.
>
They know they are part of an underhand scheme to deliberately subvert the salary cap. But the money men don't care. Every club does it, they say – especially the wealthier clubs.
>
"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay. People with clout tend to hang round people with clout," the bagman said.
>
"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay."
>
Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage, he said. "The smart clubs, which are run by professionals, they are the ones who don't get caught."
>
"If you honestly believe the [names successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head," the bagman said.
>
"The top 17 players at the [names club] – every one of those players gets a brown paper bag full of the folding stuff," he said.
>
Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage.
>
He goes on to name a prominent official at this club who collects hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by "putting the squeeze on business people who want to be part of the inner sanctum".
>
In 2010 the self-confessed bagman was called upon to pay almost $100,000 in cash to a one-time Queensland State of Origin star to sweeten the deal for the famous player to sign with a new club.
>
Such was the interest in the player, his signing delivered more than 10,000 "bums on seats" at the home games, the bagman told Fairfax Media.
>
The bagman said some clubs didn't want to know how it was done. They just say that player X needs a certain amount of money, can you sort it out?
>
At other clubs the bagman said the first thing a coach wanted to know when he came to a club was: Who are the money men?
>
"They [club officials] organise a dinner, a barbecue or a cruise and they invite all the people who "help out". The coach meets people and then with the CEO they work out a plan of attack, who can do what, who they want to buy and then they approach the money men to see if they can help out
>
After the "plan of attack" is worked out, sometimes the money men are dispatched to collect payments from the "so-called third party sponsor".
>
"We are told: 'Go and see Joe Blow at SpareParts.com.
>
"I say, 'I am here to see you about your player, can you help out?'
>
"He's already been told, so he says, 'Yeah mate'. And then he goes to the safe and hands over the money. I say, 'If you want the player to come and do some promo work, just let us know'."
>
In return, the "donors" are given access to the dressing rooms, they and their mates are given tickets, they go on trips with players, their kids get to be ball boys, and they feel part of the inner sanctum.
>
"Anyone who helps out 'in folding' [money] gets access to anywhere they like. They get looked after," the bagman said.
>
At the heart of the scheme are the player managers, some of whom siphon off a cut of the money, he said. One player manager lost several high-profile clients after he was caught pocketing cash payments that were meant for his players.
>
"The player managers orchestrate it. They don't care if the payments to their players are on the books, legitimate TPAs [third party agreements] or a brown paper bag," he said.
>
He said in the past players were paid outside the salary cap through cars or apartments. The apartments were commonly in brand new developments. The player sold the apartment upon completion but before the land title was officially registered.
>
That way, it was difficult to trace that they had ever had an interest in the building in question.
>
The bagman named a club official saying, he is "far too clever to do cars or units or anything like that. [The club official] says it is all in brown paper bags and it gets left on a table for the player manager to pick it up."
>
Peter Grimshaw, the media spokesman for the NRL, said he would wait to see the allegations before making any comment.

The article's heavily censored for legal reasons, but 'High profile former QLD origin player in 2010' triggered a few alarm bells for me.
 
[names successful club] = Roosters.. Haha.
Yeah it's not surprising that this kind of stuff is happening but I really didn't think it would be to that extent! Criminal if true.. Looking forward to hearing the NRL's response to this one.. If they actually say anything, or give us a powder puff explanation as usual.
 
It would appear on the surface, clubs like Brisbane, Canterbury, Parramatta, cowboys, roosters, Penrith, Cronulla, souths and melbourne have spent more than the cap allows, parra have now been caught.
Problem is the NRL talk tough but when the heat comes on they just fold, look at the current parra situation, the NRL are folding quicker than the weststigers at the 35th minute mark.
Whilst club officials see how weak the NRL are, they will keep on cheating, the NRL have a real chance to make an example of parra here, but they are blowing it by the day, this will only encourage other clubs to keep on cheating or even worse take up cheating or increase the amount they are already cheating by.
 
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Rugby league's dirty secret: confessions of an NRL bagman
May 9, 2016 - 12:36AM
>
Parramatta Eels' 'deliberate system of cheating'
By KATE MCCLYMONT
They are known as "the money men" and they are rugby league's dirty secret.
>
Every club has them, said one businessman, and he should know because over the years he has both collected "the folding stuff" and put in his own money to try to buy an advantage for his team.
\
\
\
"If you honestly believe the [names successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head."
>
The money men are club diehards whose loyalty to their team is being exploited by club officials who are organising for cash payments to be made directly to players or their managers.
>
They know they are part of an underhand scheme to deliberately subvert the salary cap. But the money men don't care. Every club does it, they say – especially the wealthier clubs.
>
"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay. People with clout tend to hang round people with clout," the bagman said.
>
"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay."
>
Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage, he said. "The smart clubs, which are run by professionals, they are the ones who don't get caught."
>
"If you honestly believe the [names successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head," the bagman said.
>
"The top 17 players at the [names club] – every one of those players gets a brown paper bag full of the folding stuff," he said.
>
Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage.
>
He goes on to name a prominent official at this club who collects hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by "putting the squeeze on business people who want to be part of the inner sanctum".
>
In 2010 the self-confessed bagman was called upon to pay almost $100,000 in cash to a one-time Queensland State of Origin star to sweeten the deal for the famous player to sign with a new club.
>
Such was the interest in the player, his signing delivered more than 10,000 "bums on seats" at the home games, the bagman told Fairfax Media.
>
The bagman said some clubs didn't want to know how it was done. They just say that player X needs a certain amount of money, can you sort it out?
>
At other clubs the bagman said the first thing a coach wanted to know when he came to a club was: Who are the money men?
>
"They [club officials] organise a dinner, a barbecue or a cruise and they invite all the people who "help out". The coach meets people and then with the CEO they work out a plan of attack, who can do what, who they want to buy and then they approach the money men to see if they can help out
>
After the "plan of attack" is worked out, sometimes the money men are dispatched to collect payments from the "so-called third party sponsor".
>
"We are told: 'Go and see Joe Blow at SpareParts.com.
>
"I say, 'I am here to see you about your player, can you help out?'
>
"He's already been told, so he says, 'Yeah mate'. And then he goes to the safe and hands over the money. I say, 'If you want the player to come and do some promo work, just let us know'."
>
In return, the "donors" are given access to the dressing rooms, they and their mates are given tickets, they go on trips with players, their kids get to be ball boys, and they feel part of the inner sanctum.
>
"Anyone who helps out 'in folding' [money] gets access to anywhere they like. They get looked after," the bagman said.
>
At the heart of the scheme are the player managers, some of whom siphon off a cut of the money, he said. One player manager lost several high-profile clients after he was caught pocketing cash payments that were meant for his players.
>
"The player managers orchestrate it. They don't care if the payments to their players are on the books, legitimate TPAs [third party agreements] or a brown paper bag," he said.
>
He said in the past players were paid outside the salary cap through cars or apartments. The apartments were commonly in brand new developments. The player sold the apartment upon completion but before the land title was officially registered.
>
That way, it was difficult to trace that they had ever had an interest in the building in question.
>
The bagman named a club official saying, he is "far too clever to do cars or units or anything like that. [The club official] says it is all in brown paper bags and it gets left on a table for the player manager to pick it up."
>
Peter Grimshaw, the media spokesman for the NRL, said he would wait to see the allegations before making any comment.

The article's heavily censored for legal reasons, but 'High profile former QLD origin player in 2010' triggered a few alarm bells for me.

Well haven taken a quick look at the 2010 player movements there is one player who foots the bill head and shoulders above any other candidates. Probably got paid in coal trains…
 
When they talked about player's money being laundered through apartment construction projects I thought 'Nah, the Tigers wouldn't have a sugar daddy with those kinds of connections would they?'
 
@Yossarian said:
@Cosimo_Zaretti said:
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Rugby league's dirty secret: confessions of an NRL bagman
May 9, 2016 - 12:36AM
>
Parramatta Eels' 'deliberate system of cheating'
By KATE MCCLYMONT
They are known as "the money men" and they are rugby league's dirty secret.
>
Every club has them, said one businessman, and he should know because over the years he has both collected "the folding stuff" and put in his own money to try to buy an advantage for his team.
\
\
\
"If you honestly believe the [names successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head."
>
The money men are club diehards whose loyalty to their team is being exploited by club officials who are organising for cash payments to be made directly to players or their managers.
>
They know they are part of an underhand scheme to deliberately subvert the salary cap. But the money men don't care. Every club does it, they say – especially the wealthier clubs.
>
"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay. People with clout tend to hang round people with clout," the bagman said.
>
"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay."
>
Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage, he said. "The smart clubs, which are run by professionals, they are the ones who don't get caught."
>
"If you honestly believe the [names successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head," the bagman said.
>
"The top 17 players at the [names club] – every one of those players gets a brown paper bag full of the folding stuff," he said.
>
Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage.
>
He goes on to name a prominent official at this club who collects hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by "putting the squeeze on business people who want to be part of the inner sanctum".
>
In 2010 the self-confessed bagman was called upon to pay almost $100,000 in cash to a one-time Queensland State of Origin star to sweeten the deal for the famous player to sign with a new club.
>
Such was the interest in the player, his signing delivered more than 10,000 "bums on seats" at the home games, the bagman told Fairfax Media.
>
The bagman said some clubs didn't want to know how it was done. They just say that player X needs a certain amount of money, can you sort it out?
>
At other clubs the bagman said the first thing a coach wanted to know when he came to a club was: Who are the money men?
>
"They [club officials] organise a dinner, a barbecue or a cruise and they invite all the people who "help out". The coach meets people and then with the CEO they work out a plan of attack, who can do what, who they want to buy and then they approach the money men to see if they can help out
>
After the "plan of attack" is worked out, sometimes the money men are dispatched to collect payments from the "so-called third party sponsor".
>
"We are told: 'Go and see Joe Blow at SpareParts.com.
>
"I say, 'I am here to see you about your player, can you help out?'
>
"He's already been told, so he says, 'Yeah mate'. And then he goes to the safe and hands over the money. I say, 'If you want the player to come and do some promo work, just let us know'."
>
In return, the "donors" are given access to the dressing rooms, they and their mates are given tickets, they go on trips with players, their kids get to be ball boys, and they feel part of the inner sanctum.
>
"Anyone who helps out 'in folding' [money] gets access to anywhere they like. They get looked after," the bagman said.
>
At the heart of the scheme are the player managers, some of whom siphon off a cut of the money, he said. One player manager lost several high-profile clients after he was caught pocketing cash payments that were meant for his players.
>
"The player managers orchestrate it. They don't care if the payments to their players are on the books, legitimate TPAs [third party agreements] or a brown paper bag," he said.
>
He said in the past players were paid outside the salary cap through cars or apartments. The apartments were commonly in brand new developments. The player sold the apartment upon completion but before the land title was officially registered.
>
That way, it was difficult to trace that they had ever had an interest in the building in question.
>
The bagman named a club official saying, he is "far too clever to do cars or units or anything like that. [The club official] says it is all in brown paper bags and it gets left on a table for the player manager to pick it up."
>
Peter Grimshaw, the media spokesman for the NRL, said he would wait to see the allegations before making any comment.

The article's heavily censored for legal reasons, but 'High profile former QLD origin player in 2010' triggered a few alarm bells for me.

Well haven taken a quick look at the 2010 player movements there is one player who foots the bill head and shoulders above any other candidates. Probably got paid in coal trains…
I have been convinced from the day a movie star wanna be singer arrived at a certain club they have been flouting the rules, this only strengthens my belief that I was right
 
@851 said:
@Yossarian said:
@Cosimo_Zaretti said:
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Rugby league's dirty secret: confessions of an NRL bagman
May 9, 2016 - 12:36AM
>
Parramatta Eels' 'deliberate system of cheating'
By KATE MCCLYMONT
They are known as "the money men" and they are rugby league's dirty secret.
>
Every club has them, said one businessman, and he should know because over the years he has both collected "the folding stuff" and put in his own money to try to buy an advantage for his team.
\
\
\
"If you honestly believe the [names successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head."
>
The money men are club diehards whose loyalty to their team is being exploited by club officials who are organising for cash payments to be made directly to players or their managers.
>
They know they are part of an underhand scheme to deliberately subvert the salary cap. But the money men don't care. Every club does it, they say – especially the wealthier clubs.
>
"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay. People with clout tend to hang round people with clout," the bagman said.
>
"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay."
>
Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage, he said. "The smart clubs, which are run by professionals, they are the ones who don't get caught."
>
"If you honestly believe the [names successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head," the bagman said.
>
"The top 17 players at the [names club] – every one of those players gets a brown paper bag full of the folding stuff," he said.
>
Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage.
>
He goes on to name a prominent official at this club who collects hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by "putting the squeeze on business people who want to be part of the inner sanctum".
>
In 2010 the self-confessed bagman was called upon to pay almost $100,000 in cash to a one-time Queensland State of Origin star to sweeten the deal for the famous player to sign with a new club.
>
Such was the interest in the player, his signing delivered more than 10,000 "bums on seats" at the home games, the bagman told Fairfax Media.
>
The bagman said some clubs didn't want to know how it was done. They just say that player X needs a certain amount of money, can you sort it out?
>
At other clubs the bagman said the first thing a coach wanted to know when he came to a club was: Who are the money men?
>
"They [club officials] organise a dinner, a barbecue or a cruise and they invite all the people who "help out". The coach meets people and then with the CEO they work out a plan of attack, who can do what, who they want to buy and then they approach the money men to see if they can help out
>
After the "plan of attack" is worked out, sometimes the money men are dispatched to collect payments from the "so-called third party sponsor".
>
"We are told: 'Go and see Joe Blow at SpareParts.com.
>
"I say, 'I am here to see you about your player, can you help out?'
>
"He's already been told, so he says, 'Yeah mate'. And then he goes to the safe and hands over the money. I say, 'If you want the player to come and do some promo work, just let us know'."
>
In return, the "donors" are given access to the dressing rooms, they and their mates are given tickets, they go on trips with players, their kids get to be ball boys, and they feel part of the inner sanctum.
>
"Anyone who helps out 'in folding' [money] gets access to anywhere they like. They get looked after," the bagman said.
>
At the heart of the scheme are the player managers, some of whom siphon off a cut of the money, he said. One player manager lost several high-profile clients after he was caught pocketing cash payments that were meant for his players.
>
"The player managers orchestrate it. They don't care if the payments to their players are on the books, legitimate TPAs [third party agreements] or a brown paper bag," he said.
>
He said in the past players were paid outside the salary cap through cars or apartments. The apartments were commonly in brand new developments. The player sold the apartment upon completion but before the land title was officially registered.
>
That way, it was difficult to trace that they had ever had an interest in the building in question.
>
The bagman named a club official saying, he is "far too clever to do cars or units or anything like that. [The club official] says it is all in brown paper bags and it gets left on a table for the player manager to pick it up."
>
Peter Grimshaw, the media spokesman for the NRL, said he would wait to see the allegations before making any comment.

The article's heavily censored for legal reasons, but 'High profile former QLD origin player in 2010' triggered a few alarm bells for me.

Well haven taken a quick look at the 2010 player movements there is one player who foots the bill head and shoulders above any other candidates. Probably got paid in coal trains…

I have been convinced from the day a movie star wanna be singer arrived at a certain club they have been flouting the rules, this only strengthens my belief that I was right

How do you know it is Taylor not Tuqiri?
 
Neither Taylor nor Tuquiri would "add another 10 000 bums on seats at home games".
Tuquiri was still at WT until the end of 2011 or 2012 wasn't he?
Maybe the bloke is a former salary-cap rorter who got paid in goanna oil?
 
All NRL clubs are greedy. Some are much more greedy than others and are prepared to push the envelope further (apologies for the pun).
 
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@851 said:
@Yossarian said:
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The article's heavily censored for legal reasons, but 'High profile former QLD origin player in 2010' triggered a few alarm bells for me.

Well haven taken a quick look at the 2010 player movements there is one player who foots the bill head and shoulders above any other candidates. Probably got paid in coal trains…

I have been convinced from the day a movie star wanna be singer arrived at a certain club they have been flouting the rules, this only strengthens my belief that I was right

How do you know it is Taylor not Tuqiri?

Well if we've got a bag man he's doing a terrible job. Souths have a lot more success luring players from big clubs.
 
@Fade To Black said:
Neither Taylor nor Tuquiri would "add another 10 000 bums on seats at home games".
Tuquiri was still at WT until the end of 2011 or 2012 wasn't he?
Maybe the bloke is a former salary-cap rorter who got paid in goanna oil?

The bag man said that, it wasn't a statement of fact. GI would have been a current SOO star.
 
@Yossarian said:
@Fade To Black said:
Neither Taylor nor Tuquiri would "add another 10 000 bums on seats at home games".
Tuquiri was still at WT until the end of 2011 or 2012 wasn't he?
Maybe the bloke is a former salary-cap rorter who got paid in goanna oil?

The bag man said that, it wasn't a statement of fact. GI would have been a current SOO star.

GI was for 2011, coal train on the other hand.
 
I'm calling BS on this

All it takes to piss one person off and it all goes under

I would say clubs do what Parra did, ie get businesses to charge extras , but the only clubs doing that are the rich clubs, but it doesn't go further than that

How many clubs actually made money last year ??
 
I dont really think there is much the NRL could do about an 'up-front' payment to a player manager. Most of these types are huge gamblers allowing them to launder any cash monies fairly easily… To compensate, all they need to do is reduce there fee/commission to substitute it.

It would definitely raise the eyes of the AFP & ATO though!

Its about time everyone realised that while money is involved, these things will always go on.
 
THE NRL's salary cap auditor has launched an investigation into the Brisbane Broncos following revelations mining magnate Ken Talbot had handed out cash to several players, including former Test prop Shane Webcke.

The revelation came from the testimony of former Broncos chairman Don Nissen at the corruption trial of former Beattie government minister Gordon Nuttall in Brisbane's District Court.

The Australian understands the NRL's probe will focus on payments allegedly made to several players, including Webcke, by Talbot in return for guest appearances made at functions, mines and hotels under his business umbrella.

Talbot has never been officially associated with the Broncos through an NRL-approved club sponsorship, but the founder of Macarthur Coal was a long-time member of the Thoroughbreds - a group of wealthy businessmen supporting and advising Broncos players.

Any payments made to players would need to be presented to cap auditor Ian Schubert for approval to avoid a breach of the strict salary cap guidelines.

During his evidence Nissen said Talbot was a generous man who had given money to some Broncos players, which was not expected to be repaid.

Under further questioning by crown prosecutor Ross Martin, Nissen said Talbot was "a committed fan" of the Broncos.

"It may have changed with (former Broncos coach) Mr Bennett going to the Dragons," Nissen added jokingly.

Pressed further about the money given to the players, Nissen told the court players had visited Talbot's hotels socially and had also visited the hotels, including the Cleveland Sands Hotel, on a more formal basis on a number of occasions.

"(Did) the visits from the Broncos attract customers?" Martin asked Mr Nissen.

"Yes," Nissen answered.

Webcke, who became a member of the advisory board of the Talbot Hotel Group following his retirement at the end of 2006, was present on a number of occasions, having also visited a number of mines.

The 2003 annual report for Talbot's MDA Capital notes Webcke and Bennett visited the Copabella mine in December 2002 "to discuss the importance of health, fitness and motivation with the employees".

When contacted by The Australian yesterday Webcke offered only "no comment".

Broncos boss Bruno Cullen said he had immediately contacted Schubert following news of Nissen's testimony and had been in correspondence with the NRL's top bean-counter, with both men keen to get to the bottom of the matter.

Cullen said he had been unable to get in contact with Nissen to clarify the details of just when and to whom these payments were made, but wanted to do so by the end of the week.

"I think we are obligated to find out exactly what his testimony referred to. I am in the process of trying to find that out as part of what (Schubert) has asked us to present to him," Cullen said.

"While some people may not believe me, I was very surprised when I heard about Don's testimony.

"Obviously sometimes you hear rumours here and there. We like to keep on top of those things and we investigate whenever we think it even slightly necessary."

Talbot's close association with Bennett and the Broncos was brought into the public arena in late 2007, when it was revealed the mining tsar had arranged to pay Bennett $1million over a 10-year period as part of a fund set up to help Bennett's two disabled children.

Cullen reportedly first became aware of the payments earlier that year and asked specifically whether Talbot had been making payments to players, which Bennett denied he had.

Given the allegation dates back beyond Cullen's time at the helm of the club, the Broncos boss said there was still some investigating to do, but was adamant he was not overly concerned.

"I am comfortable that there isn't a breach," he said.

"I am not that concerned. I honestly don't believe this is a major issue.

"Obviously I want to know what went on, but I am relaxed about our position."
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This is a well known fact the all the Broncos premierships were tainted with salary cap cheating,
 

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