Confirmed: Matterson released from Wests Tigers.

[Tcat]

@GNR4LIFE Thats because we are a joke and no one takes our club seriously. There's probably zero chance, but would you like to see us make a stand for once or roll over and take some other teams rubbish in a player swap we aren't really interested in? I'm convinced we will loose out in the end regardless, so screw Matterson and make him learn a lesson.

 

[Spacecub]

The positive for us out of all this is that Matterson has unanimously been painted as the villain across the media and former players.

No wonder he wanted to flee the country and escape the media ridicule.

We have the backing off the major stakeholders in the game to take a hard stance on him. We're already on the front foot controlling these discussions. He's seen as the crying spoilt little baby. There are times when we could have done so but the media and players were already speaking out in favour of the player. Not this time.

Theres a old saying hey balmain boy.....never bite the hand that feeds you, or crap on your own doorstep, as much potential this bloke has, he's no boyd cordner or frizzell, surely most CEOs and coaches would be very reluctant to accommodate him, seeing how he's carried on at two clubs

 

[Spacecub]

Back on Matterson, the only way the club should release him is where there is significant net benefit for us. The way they played out Ivan last year worked out well for us. We hold the cards, he is contracted and he is wanted so whatever comes in the way of negotiation will favour us if another club wants him badly enough.

And just on the topic of contracts and players being "rightfully" able to seek more, if you engage a builder to build a two homes for you, he builds the first to a good standard & in accordance with the terms of the contract and he comes back to you and says "since I did a good job, can you pay me double now for the second one?" What would you say to them?

But when the customer becomes too demanding in the builder's eyes and wants to change the original plans completely from original deal

Matterson may have thought it was going to be a 3 bedroom single garage and bathroom under Cleary and then it ends up becoming a 200 unit skyscraper under Maguire .....

Oh so you're talking variations to the contract. Hiring a bloke to play first grade footy and he's playing first grade footy isn't a variation to the terms. Asking him to play first grade footy and run the marketing department is a variation.

I'm talking about working for a person who was completely different than you signed the contract with

Lets be honest Cleary and Maguire are almost polar opposites as far as coaching NRL sides are concerned

He signed a contract to play first grade Rugby League football with Wests Tigers for 3 years for an agreed amount, correct? Is that not what he was doing?

So going back to the builder analogy if McDonald Jones builds me a house under an agreed contract and Bill McDonald sells his share of the business during the build can I ask for a discount? Or to relate it back to Rugby League, can Wests Tigers now invalidate any contract of a player that Ivan Cleary signed because he skipped out on us? No, because whenever you sign a contract there's always an associated risk. You're only ever one wrong tackle away from a career ending injury. There's always a chance your boss might skip out or be sacked. The CEO might change. Is that grounds for changing a contract? Or do we limit it to footy operations? "Hi Justin, the strapper got let go, my contract has changed, give me a pay rise or I'm gone."

Its 2019 , not 1985 CB whether we like it or not

He signed to play as an edge backrower for Cleary expecting to use his ball playing skills .......he got Maguire and in the end was used as a workaholic 13

I can see Matterson's POV .....he had multiple concussions last season being played in the exact role he tried to get away from at the Roosters

Football careers are short

I want him to stay at the WT's ....but the blame as usual is being pointed at the wrong person / people .....who let Cleary go or didn't let him go at the sensible time /stage ....this dumbass club .....again .......but the club is never wrong is it .....it always the refs fault ...the NRL's fault .....the coaches fault .....a players fault ......the media's fault

Cool Mbye signed under Cleary to play fullback and Maguire put him in the centres..he should ask for a release..

We wish

 

[2005magic]

As far as we can see publicly, no club has put their hand up in ownership of this debacle. POM has identified Eels as the culprit and I have no reason to doubt him. Maybe the reason no club has publicly owned this is because they expected WT to roll over and release Matterson without any quid pro quo from them in terms of player swap creating some difficulty for them in terms of roster management, player relations and cap space- all problems they expected WT to suffer without any consequences to them- especially once the player and manager rolled out the mental problems (hey, doesnt that sound familiar to anyone- say Moses - and again what was the club? Eels).

As far as Im concerned we continue to play hardball with no relase- let Matterson and his agent sweat, and say until a club wants to publicly own up and make an offer and talk player swap, he remains a WT contracted player. IN fact I'm so annoyed I reckon whatever club it is would have to also take one of our 3 problem players as well- Reynolds, Packer or McQueen off our books.

I would also declare the agent persona non grata at WT and have no further dealings with players they represent at future player signings / contract renewals.

 

[BZN]

Good question @tigerbalm: all I've seen so far is lots of possible spurious claims and accusations, nothing definite as to why Matterson wants out :fa-smile-o:

 

[weststigers]

The NRL needs rules around this contract game.

They should create a standard, player initiated, contract release policy...Players can be granted a release in exchange for a 20% transfer fee of the new contract value for the remainder of the existing contract.

For example, Matterson has 2 years left. If he gets a $2.8 million, 4 year deal, we would be entitled to 20% of 2 years worth of the deal. That’s a $560k fee. It not only compensates the club to help them pick up another player, but it also covers the shenanigans and derailment that comes with a player moving on during a contract.

If teams want to raid players, it means either the players salary offer will be reduced by the transfer fee or that club will have to stump up cash. It’s up to the player and their new club to decide.

Gus Gould has it right. If a player wants to leave, don’t stand in their way. There’s absolutely no point.

If it’s about money alone, let’s talk and see if we can come to an agreement. If it’s about anything else, we are unlikely to be able to make the player happy, so just let them go.

Clubs that produce or identify juniors will be able to gain a windfall if other clubs decide to buy those players.

If a club wants to move a player on, then the normal rules apply where their salary is guaranteed even if they earn less at another club.

 

[tigerbalm]

@MAGPIES1963

I actually went back and read the Poms post. Still seems a little in the air I think? **If** he is actually wanting to leave and **If** a team can afford him and **If** Wests get the compensation they're after.


Lots of If's imo.

In saying that ...Its Wests so of course he'll leave and wests will be paying his salary for the next 8 seasons.

 

[underdog]

He.

Signed.

A.

Contract.

That's all there is to it. He can negotiate his terms at the end of the contract just like the rest of us hard-working folk.


Unless we get an absolutely brilliant deal stick his ass in Canterbury cup for the next 2 years.

As Gorden Tallis alluded to it taught him a valuable lesson and this precious piece of work needs to be taught one on the value of a contract.

As I've said before and I will say again it's not the tiger's problem that he couldn't negotiate a better deal at the start. It's his.

If we're also able to medically retire Ben Mautilino, we can top up Chris Lawrence, and BUY another Ryan Matterson.

I don't mean to sound so clinical about it but hey it's true.

 

[Harvey]

Back on Matterson, the only way the club should release him is where there is significant net benefit for us. The way they played out Ivan last year worked out well for us. We hold the cards, he is contracted and he is wanted so whatever comes in the way of negotiation will favour us if another club wants him badly enough.

And just on the topic of contracts and players being "rightfully" able to seek more, if you engage a builder to build a two homes for you, he builds the first to a good standard & in accordance with the terms of the contract and he comes back to you and says "since I did a good job, can you pay me double now for the second one?" What would you say to them?

But when the customer becomes too demanding in the builder's eyes and wants to change the original plans completely from original deal

Matterson may have thought it was going to be a 3 bedroom single garage and bathroom under Cleary and then it ends up becoming a 200 unit skyscraper under Maguire .....

Oh so you're talking variations to the contract. Hiring a bloke to play first grade footy and he's playing first grade footy isn't a variation to the terms. Asking him to play first grade footy and run the marketing department is a variation.

I'm talking about working for a person who was completely different than you signed the contract with

Lets be honest Cleary and Maguire are almost polar opposites as far as coaching NRL sides are concerned

He signed a contract to play first grade Rugby League football with Wests Tigers for 3 years for an agreed amount, correct? Is that not what he was doing?

So going back to the builder analogy if McDonald Jones builds me a house under an agreed contract and Bill McDonald sells his share of the business during the build can I ask for a discount? Or to relate it back to Rugby League, can Wests Tigers now invalidate any contract of a player that Ivan Cleary signed because he skipped out on us? No, because whenever you sign a contract there's always an associated risk. You're only ever one wrong tackle away from a career ending injury. There's always a chance your boss might skip out or be sacked. The CEO might change. Is that grounds for changing a contract? Or do we limit it to footy operations? "Hi Justin, the strapper got let go, my contract has changed, give me a pay rise or I'm gone."

Its 2019 , not 1985 CB whether we like it or not

He signed to play as an edge backrower for Cleary expecting to use his ball playing skills .......he got Maguire and in the end was used as a workaholic 13

I can see Matterson's POV .....he had multiple concussions last season being played in the exact role he tried to get away from at the Roosters

Football careers are short

I want him to stay at the WT's ....but the blame as usual is being pointed at the wrong person / people .....who let Cleary go or didn't let him go at the sensible time /stage ....this dumbass club .....again .......but the club is never wrong is it .....it always the refs fault ...the NRL's fault .....the coaches fault .....a players fault ......the media's fault

Using your argument, it is his managers fault. He should have got a contract that had clauses inserted saying it is null and void if there is a change of coach, he is not picked as an edge backrower regardless of personnel and injuries, is asked to play more than 66 minutes a game, is not supplied with 35m of tape and 14L of Gatorade per week, or has his feelings hurt.

Those clauses do not appear to be in the contract, so the princess can suck it up. See you at preseason and if the attitude and performance is lacking, then there’s a spot in CC while you improve.

 

[Harvey]

Back on Matterson, the only way the club should release him is where there is significant net benefit for us. The way they played out Ivan last year worked out well for us. We hold the cards, he is contracted and he is wanted so whatever comes in the way of negotiation will favour us if another club wants him badly enough.

And just on the topic of contracts and players being "rightfully" able to seek more, if you engage a builder to build a two homes for you, he builds the first to a good standard & in accordance with the terms of the contract and he comes back to you and says "since I did a good job, can you pay me double now for the second one?" What would you say to them?

But when the customer becomes too demanding in the builder's eyes and wants to change the original plans completely from original deal

Matterson may have thought it was going to be a 3 bedroom single garage and bathroom under Cleary and then it ends up becoming a 200 unit skyscraper under Maguire .....

Oh so you're talking variations to the contract. Hiring a bloke to play first grade footy and he's playing first grade footy isn't a variation to the terms. Asking him to play first grade footy and run the marketing department is a variation.

I'm talking about working for a person who was completely different than you signed the contract with

Lets be honest Cleary and Maguire are almost polar opposites as far as coaching NRL sides are concerned

He signed a contract to play first grade Rugby League football with Wests Tigers for 3 years for an agreed amount, correct? Is that not what he was doing?

So going back to the builder analogy if McDonald Jones builds me a house under an agreed contract and Bill McDonald sells his share of the business during the build can I ask for a discount? Or to relate it back to Rugby League, can Wests Tigers now invalidate any contract of a player that Ivan Cleary signed because he skipped out on us? No, because whenever you sign a contract there's always an associated risk. You're only ever one wrong tackle away from a career ending injury. There's always a chance your boss might skip out or be sacked. The CEO might change. Is that grounds for changing a contract? Or do we limit it to footy operations? "Hi Justin, the strapper got let go, my contract has changed, give me a pay rise or I'm gone."

Its 2019 , not 1985 CB whether we like it or not

He signed to play as an edge backrower for Cleary expecting to use his ball playing skills .......he got Maguire and in the end was used as a workaholic 13

I can see Matterson's POV .....he had multiple concussions last season being played in the exact role he tried to get away from at the Roosters

Football careers are short

I want him to stay at the WT's ....but the blame as usual is being pointed at the wrong person / people .....who let Cleary go or didn't let him go at the sensible time /stage ....this dumbass club .....again .......but the club is never wrong is it .....it always the refs fault ...the NRL's fault .....the coaches fault .....a players fault ......the media's fault

Cool Mbye signed under Cleary to play fullback and Maguire put him in the centres..he should ask for a release..

No we should be able to sack him along with anyone else Cleary signed. Lets see the players association support that.

 

[Mccarry]

Can anyone tell me which of the 104 pages @POM posted

 

[WT2K]

Can anyone tell me which of the 104 pages @POM posted

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30183/matterson-unhappy-at-tigers/1190

 

[Tigerboy]

Can anyone tell me which of the 104 pages @POM posted

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30183/matterson-unhappy-at-tigers/1190

You’re a good bloke?

 

[jirskyr]

I think you missed the word ‘most’ in that sentence, I didn’t say all. And I was just agreeing with the poster who I was quoting who said the exact same thing, but for some reason you only honed in on my comment.

What is most, more than half? 75%?

The answer is about 50% of teams, at any given time, replace players with better ones.

 

[jirskyr]

A strong message needs to come from Toddy at HQ that there will be a royal commission into this matter

Pretty sure NRL CEO cannot call a Royal Commission?

 

[jirskyr]

Back on Matterson, the only way the club should release him is where there is significant net benefit for us. The way they played out Ivan last year worked out well for us. We hold the cards, he is contracted and he is wanted so whatever comes in the way of negotiation will favour us if another club wants him badly enough.

And just on the topic of contracts and players being "rightfully" able to seek more, if you engage a builder to build a two homes for you, he builds the first to a good standard & in accordance with the terms of the contract and he comes back to you and says "since I did a good job, can you pay me double now for the second one?" What would you say to them?

But when the customer becomes too demanding in the builder's eyes and wants to change the original plans completely from original deal

Matterson may have thought it was going to be a 3 bedroom single garage and bathroom under Cleary and then it ends up becoming a 200 unit skyscraper under Maguire .....

Oh so you're talking variations to the contract. Hiring a bloke to play first grade footy and he's playing first grade footy isn't a variation to the terms. Asking him to play first grade footy and run the marketing department is a variation.

I'm talking about working for a person who was completely different than you signed the contract with

Lets be honest Cleary and Maguire are almost polar opposites as far as coaching NRL sides are concerned

He signed a contract to play first grade Rugby League football with Wests Tigers for 3 years for an agreed amount, correct? Is that not what he was doing?

So going back to the builder analogy if McDonald Jones builds me a house under an agreed contract and Bill McDonald sells his share of the business during the build can I ask for a discount? Or to relate it back to Rugby League, can Wests Tigers now invalidate any contract of a player that Ivan Cleary signed because he skipped out on us? No, because whenever you sign a contract there's always an associated risk. You're only ever one wrong tackle away from a career ending injury. There's always a chance your boss might skip out or be sacked. The CEO might change. Is that grounds for changing a contract? Or do we limit it to footy operations? "Hi Justin, the strapper got let go, my contract has changed, give me a pay rise or I'm gone."

Its 2019 , not 1985 CB whether we like it or not

He signed to play as an edge backrower for Cleary expecting to use his ball playing skills .......he got Maguire and in the end was used as a workaholic 13

I can see Matterson's POV .....he had multiple concussions last season being played in the exact role he tried to get away from at the Roosters

Football careers are short

I want him to stay at the WT's ....but the blame as usual is being pointed at the wrong person / people .....who let Cleary go or didn't let him go at the sensible time /stage ....this dumbass club .....again .......but the club is never wrong is it .....it always the refs fault ...the NRL's fault .....the coaches fault .....a players fault ......the media's fault

Cool Mbye signed under Cleary to play fullback and Maguire put him in the centres..he should ask for a release..

Totally agree this absolutely cannot be a precedent. Otherwise the minute a coach goes or some other club situation changes, the players can all ask for a terminated deal. Where do you draw the line?

"I signed here to play edge backrower, I don't care if all our props are injured."
"I signed here to play first grade only, not Canterbury Cup."
"I signed here to play finals football."
"I signed here to play alongside James Tedesco."
"I signed here only if club supplies orange Gatorade at HT, not lemon-lime."

 

[happy_tiger]

Back on Matterson, the only way the club should release him is where there is significant net benefit for us. The way they played out Ivan last year worked out well for us. We hold the cards, he is contracted and he is wanted so whatever comes in the way of negotiation will favour us if another club wants him badly enough.

And just on the topic of contracts and players being "rightfully" able to seek more, if you engage a builder to build a two homes for you, he builds the first to a good standard & in accordance with the terms of the contract and he comes back to you and says "since I did a good job, can you pay me double now for the second one?" What would you say to them?

But when the customer becomes too demanding in the builder's eyes and wants to change the original plans completely from original deal

Matterson may have thought it was going to be a 3 bedroom single garage and bathroom under Cleary and then it ends up becoming a 200 unit skyscraper under Maguire .....

Oh so you're talking variations to the contract. Hiring a bloke to play first grade footy and he's playing first grade footy isn't a variation to the terms. Asking him to play first grade footy and run the marketing department is a variation.

I'm talking about working for a person who was completely different than you signed the contract with

Lets be honest Cleary and Maguire are almost polar opposites as far as coaching NRL sides are concerned

He signed a contract to play first grade Rugby League football with Wests Tigers for 3 years for an agreed amount, correct? Is that not what he was doing?

So going back to the builder analogy if McDonald Jones builds me a house under an agreed contract and Bill McDonald sells his share of the business during the build can I ask for a discount? Or to relate it back to Rugby League, can Wests Tigers now invalidate any contract of a player that Ivan Cleary signed because he skipped out on us? No, because whenever you sign a contract there's always an associated risk. You're only ever one wrong tackle away from a career ending injury. There's always a chance your boss might skip out or be sacked. The CEO might change. Is that grounds for changing a contract? Or do we limit it to footy operations? "Hi Justin, the strapper got let go, my contract has changed, give me a pay rise or I'm gone."

Its 2019 , not 1985 CB whether we like it or not

He signed to play as an edge backrower for Cleary expecting to use his ball playing skills .......he got Maguire and in the end was used as a workaholic 13

I can see Matterson's POV .....he had multiple concussions last season being played in the exact role he tried to get away from at the Roosters

Football careers are short

I want him to stay at the WT's ....but the blame as usual is being pointed at the wrong person / people .....who let Cleary go or didn't let him go at the sensible time /stage ....this dumbass club .....again .......but the club is never wrong is it .....it always the refs fault ...the NRL's fault .....the coaches fault .....a players fault ......the media's fault

Cool Mbye signed under Cleary to play fullback and Maguire put him in the centres..he should ask for a release..

If he wants

The same way we are trying to offload Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen and Matulino if we can't medically retire him

My point is it' never the WT's fault .....it's everyone elses fault

Yet the same can't work out why we have the worst winning ratio since we entered the comp , haven't been in the finals since Noah started loading them 2x2 in his houseboat , and no one wants to renew contracts that is worthy of keeping

Everyone blames Cleary , but everyone was jumping headlong onto the bus ....everyone thought Packer ,Matulino and Reynolds were going to be saviours

Who signed all of them (including Matterson ) .......other clubs seem to do their scouting and seem to avoid all the pitfalls we continually make

I'm not saying Matterson is right in his actions , but who signed him and how did we let this get to this stage and why don't we see this continually happen at every other club every season

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm sick of this club being a walkover. They took the hard line with Cleary last year and I expect the same with Matterson. Everyone in the league believes we are a soft touch, it has to stop. For these reasons I am prepared to cut the club some slack if they do stick to their guns and hang on to Matterson if a favourable resolution for him to leave does not eventuate. We have lived up to our ends of the contract so we hold all the cards. The reverse happens when we want to put a player of lesser demand on the market and rightfully so as we don't live up to our end of the bargain. It has to start working both ways.

If the club is reading this, hold your line and force a favourable outcome and if not, hold this guy's career to ransom.

 

[BZN]

G'day @weststigers: sensible and interesting post 😛oint_up:

 

[TigerSJ]

Slow down folks... let's just take stock here for 1 minute. I have read 105 pages of mostly complete speculation. There are a lot of fans on here giving it to the club, the coach and the management ... how useless they all are... how we'll get rolled over and lose out, how we always come out worse than everyone else..come on really? All this negative stuff on the back of nothing - what actually have the club said, or done, as yet? One statement of a few lines advising the club has let Matterson have some time off for 'personal' reasons - that's it!!
They have done exactly what you would expect - they have said very little to the media and are waiting to see how this all unfolds. We are in the drivers seat and we know it - we will eventually do exactly what suits us and nothing less, and I have full faith in Pascoe and Madge and the club that this is what will occur in the end.
Anyway, did we do so badly with Moses, or Cleary? Or anyone else for that matter - sure we lost Teddy, but he wanted to go and we could never have held him. Lets face it, Teddy's gone to a whole new level - he made the right decision for himself and no one can deny that.
Let's stop jumping to conclusions and wait and see - the media are supporting us in the most part right now - it's Matterson that looks bad and I suspect there may well be some repercussions for agents and maybe even other clubs.
I am confident that in the end we will achieve a good outcome for WT's one way or another.