Corona impact on NRL...?

From Brent Read of the Australian.

Rogue NRL player could cause a meltdown

The delicate nature of rugby league’s pay talks have been laid bare after a leading sports lawyer warned that one rogue player had the capacity to send the entire system into meltdown.

Tim Fuller, former South Sydney forward turned special counsel with Gadens Lawyers, has been watching negotiations between the NRL and Rugby League Players Association with particularly interest given his connection to the game.

Those talks continued on Sunday as ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys and NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg hosted a teleconference with more than 50 players, among them Cronulla captain Wade Graham and Manly skipper Daly Cherry-Evans.

It is understood South Sydney chief executive Blake Solly and his Brisbane counterpart Paul White were also involved in the conversation, helping to shed some light on the devastating impact of COVID-19 on clubland.


Brisbane have been left with little choice but to hand redundancies to more than 20 staff while employees at Souths will soon go on leave without pay, among them seven-time premiership winning coach Wayne Bennett.

The NRL has also been forced to shed costs – Greenberg is among those expected to take time off to help ease the financial burden. The players understand that they must also carry some of the pain and while it is understood there is an appetite to reach an agreement on pay cuts, there is also a degree of distrust between the playing group and NRL headquarters.

At the heart of that is the belief among the players that the NRL has not been as transparent as it could have been, that situation highlighted by the failure to pay $10m into the insurance fund.

Their mood would not have been improved after seeing reports that head office had spent $182m running the game. That figure did not include the $40m or so head office spent on development.

The players want greater insight into the game’s finances and it is understood they could receive their wish as part of an agreement to reduce their wages over the remainder of the season.

V’landys remains confident the game will strike a deal that will get the game through until the end of the year, with or without the competition returning at some point.

Next year and the year after are an argument for another day. Some within the game believe the salary cap can stay at the same figure – the base for 2021 for each team is $9.7m. Others believe it needs to be dramatically slashed. If that is to happen it will rely on the largesse of the players, who need to agree to any change in the cap for 2021 and 2022. One player and one player alone could be enough to create chaos.

“(Gold Coast forward) Jai Arrow is a good example,” Fuller said. “With what he signed for at Souths, there are considerations to go around that. If his contract was to be reduced, he would have a very good case to say essentially there has been opportunity lost.

“There are all these other considerations that come into play. Ultimately you may very well see a player challenge any attempt to water down his contract.

“In the current environment no one will be talking like that. When football is back on and there is a different environment … there are absolutely no guarantees that any player won’t do anything at any time. The only way that you would get that of course is if the players’ association and the NRL have an agreement in which every single player through the association agrees to declare all contracts null and void or take a percentage reduction.

“That would have to be a collective across-the-league decision. The moment that one player challenges that, then all bets are off aren’t they? I draw a comparison with the draft. It only takes one player, like Terry Hill, to challenge what has been agreed to.”

Therein lies the fear for the NRL. While they are confident the RLPA is on board – talks have thus far been amicable – the landscape could dramatically change if a player was to break away and pursue his own legal recourse. V’landys hopes to have a response from the players on Monday morning – he has talks with the clubs later on Monday before a meeting of the ARL Commission where he hopes to rubberstamp the financials.

“Take Jason Taumalolo, how many years does he have left on his contract?” Fuller said.

“Daly Cherry-Evans, how many years does he have? You take those long-term contracts, the only way you are going to get a reduction is they agree to it.”

“It is going to take a collective effort. At the moment, in the current climate, no-one is saying the terms of my contract are very clear.

“But fast forward six months when the finances of the game are known and things kick off again, it could be entirely different ball game.”
 
@WT2K said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137839) said:
RLPA’S 10 DEMANDS OF GREENBERG AND V’LANDYS

The game’s leading players have put forward 10 demands ahead of a showdown meeting on Monday which will see head of the RLPA Clint Newton attempt to get clarity over the futures of his members.

The Sydney Morning Herald has published his organisation’s list of demands which are:

1 NRL is transparent over what money it retains after giving cash to clubs

2 Ability to audit the NRL finances

3 NRL guarantee to repay the 2018 and 2019 retirement funds

4 Players get a minimum of 29.5 per cent of any extra revenues made by the NRL

5 Forthcoming years of every current player contract is guaranteed.

6 Any changes to salary cap and pay for 2021 or after are agreed upon by the RLPA

7 Clubs continue to pay private medical insurance

8 Agreement of representative fees for 2020

9 The RLPA wants direct involvement in talks with broadcasters and over how the schedule and structure of the NRL

10 The RLPA wants involvement in talks about other revenue streams the game can look at

No business would agree to all those terms. Might as well shut up shop.
 
It's not up to the players to say how the nrl spend their money....just as it's not up to the nrl to tell players what to do with theirs.
get their contracts, but want an extra 30% on top??? bahahahaha killing the goose that laid the golden egg....
just goes to show the greed of it all....really disheartening.....we need a replacements league.....all the guys that want to play instead of feeling entitled to do so.
 
Thing is the NRL and Clubs have assets worth more then the players contracts and thats what scares the NRL. If players wanted to take them for all the contract money then they could pay by selling offassets or taking loans. If the NRL for example sold ownership of the Origin concept then the NRL might be [This word has been automatically removed]ed moving forwards but players would get their cash and same with the clubs being forced to sell their logos tthey are worth money and money that could be used long term. This is why the NRL is being cautious because legally abd morally are 2 very different things
 
Meeting between NRL and clubs now over. Clubs have been give just over 3 months of grant. Players to get 2 months pay guaranteed. Cuts to salary cap and footy departments on agenda from not season
https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1244440570317045761?s=19

Clubs told by Peter V'landys in phone hook-up that costs across the game were not sustainable.
Standby for massive cost cutting, starting at NRL headquarters.
https://twitter.com/BuzzRothfield/status/1244430668785803264?s=19

LATEST. Clubs civil in meeting with NRL. They are committed to working towards a 20 week competition including finals starting before September 1. Three months funding promised. @9NewsSyd @NRLonNine
https://twitter.com/Danny_Weidler/status/1244437145042862080?s=19
 
The players are starting to act like complete tools here. Understand they want to try and look after themselves and family but if the company they work (nrl) goes bust they are completely out of work. Just like a lot of other Australians
 
@Chicken_Faced_Killa said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137892) said:
The players are starting to act like complete tools here. Understand they want to try and look after themselves and family but if the company they work (nrl) goes bust they are completely out of work. Just like a lot of other Australians

They're under the impression that they are indispensible to the game.....there are hundreds of other players who would kill to suit up and play for not as much money....obviously the quality would be a little lacking, but the passion and determination would make up for it....costs would drop, ticket prices for the average punter could drop, and everyone would be happy except for the petulant professional who's complaining about having to drop from 600k a year to 300k a year.....tell your story walking pal
 
I thought options 1 2 3 10 were fine,the rest are parttialy negotiable to completely none negotiable.God knows what the players think they are.Some of those blokes seriously need a massive reality check
 
@mike said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137865) said:
@WT2K said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137839) said:
RLPA’S 10 DEMANDS OF GREENBERG AND V’LANDYS

The game’s leading players have put forward 10 demands ahead of a showdown meeting on Monday which will see head of the RLPA Clint Newton attempt to get clarity over the futures of his members.

The Sydney Morning Herald has published his organisation’s list of demands which are:

1 NRL is transparent over what money it retains after giving cash to clubs

2 Ability to audit the NRL finances

3 NRL guarantee to repay the 2018 and 2019 retirement funds

4 Players get a minimum of 29.5 per cent of any extra revenues made by the NRL

5 Forthcoming years of every current player contract is guaranteed.

6 Any changes to salary cap and pay for 2021 or after are agreed upon by the RLPA

7 Clubs continue to pay private medical insurance

8 Agreement of representative fees for 2020

9 The RLPA wants direct involvement in talks with broadcasters and over how the schedule and structure of the NRL

10 The RLPA wants involvement in talks about other revenue streams the game can look at

No business would agree to all those terms. Might as well shut up shop.

I’d be telling them to e see shove it as well...
 
@mike said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137908) said:
@OzLuke said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137891) said:
God I hope the players vote to strike......

Under the circumstances that would be hilarious

I wouldn't put it past them.....
 
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137836) said:
@PrattenParkMagpie said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137796) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137603) said:
@cochise said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137602) said:
@Geo said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137594) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137576) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137531) said:
Stories today have the NRL players superannuation fund being 10 million short over the last 2 seasons ....NRL going to save some more money when they sack whoever is involved with that

I looked into my super 5 days ago and found that I had lost 20,000dollars off my initial balance,it has been put down to the stock exchange losses..I will take the 10,000 dollars on offer tax free to get me through this period...I may as well make the most of what I have saved for before I lose the lot and have nothing left in retirement..the other impact of this is the people in retirement already who depend on drawing down on their self funded or normal supers,rely on it to pay for golf club memberships,football club memberships and other forms of recreation during retirement,many of these will pull the plug on these things as the economy gets tighter..
It may all be well and good to say we will get over this,but just stop and realise how much this has affected the global economy which Australia heavily invests in...without being morbid and trying to stay positive,I think there is a tough road ahead of us,some are going to suffer more than others,but remember we are all in this together and if you feel a heavy strain make sure you get help,we all need it some time...

You have to be careful withdrawing your super now and way up the cost as you will not receive the accumulated interest and tax benefits later on..

Yes depending on your age you are not really withdrawing $10000, it is more likely to cost you upwards of $30-60000 in the long run based on your age!

Im 3 years off retirement age Cochise 10k now to get me through wont make that much difference seeing I lost 20 k in one hit without knowing it until 5 days ago..


I'm also 3 years away from retirement, my super lost almost $57,000 in 4 weeks but has regained $16,377 in the past week.

I can see what your saying PPM,but because I lost the business through the fires,the expenses of my partner with breast cancer and now losing my job through covid19..I have to draw down some of the super money so I can survive..I need some money behind me so I can get back on my feet..I hate being in this position,but I cant help the cards I have been dealt..I have to virtually start over again,not a feat that will be easy as time goes on for me..

Make sure you contact any company your have loans and utilities with and get payments deferred, try to draw down as little as possible. I'm not being an ass just trying to help out. As I previously stated I will probably looking at drawing down some of mine as well. Just make sure you know the negatives of doing it as well as the positives!
 
@cochise said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137945) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137836) said:
@PrattenParkMagpie said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137796) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137603) said:
@cochise said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137602) said:
@Geo said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137594) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137576) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137531) said:
Stories today have the NRL players superannuation fund being 10 million short over the last 2 seasons ....NRL going to save some more money when they sack whoever is involved with that

I looked into my super 5 days ago and found that I had lost 20,000dollars off my initial balance,it has been put down to the stock exchange losses..I will take the 10,000 dollars on offer tax free to get me through this period...I may as well make the most of what I have saved for before I lose the lot and have nothing left in retirement..the other impact of this is the people in retirement already who depend on drawing down on their self funded or normal supers,rely on it to pay for golf club memberships,football club memberships and other forms of recreation during retirement,many of these will pull the plug on these things as the economy gets tighter..
It may all be well and good to say we will get over this,but just stop and realise how much this has affected the global economy which Australia heavily invests in...without being morbid and trying to stay positive,I think there is a tough road ahead of us,some are going to suffer more than others,but remember we are all in this together and if you feel a heavy strain make sure you get help,we all need it some time...

You have to be careful withdrawing your super now and way up the cost as you will not receive the accumulated interest and tax benefits later on..

Yes depending on your age you are not really withdrawing $10000, it is more likely to cost you upwards of $30-60000 in the long run based on your age!

Im 3 years off retirement age Cochise 10k now to get me through wont make that much difference seeing I lost 20 k in one hit without knowing it until 5 days ago..


I'm also 3 years away from retirement, my super lost almost $57,000 in 4 weeks but has regained $16,377 in the past week.

I can see what your saying PPM,but because I lost the business through the fires,the expenses of my partner with breast cancer and now losing my job through covid19..I have to draw down some of the super money so I can survive..I need some money behind me so I can get back on my feet..I hate being in this position,but I cant help the cards I have been dealt..I have to virtually start over again,not a feat that will be easy as time goes on for me..

Make sure you contact any company your have loans and utilities with and get payments deferred, try to draw down as little as possible. I'm not being an ass just trying to help out. As I previously stated I will probably looking at drawing down some of mine as well. Just make sure you know the negatives of doing it as well as the positives!

Cochise I have had my loan payments deferred,its only small,but I have to have some money behind me because I cant guarantee I will be back at work as soon as this has passed.I do appreciate your input though,,I will be getting the jobseeker payments for about 3 months and that will help.
 
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137836) said:
@PrattenParkMagpie said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137796) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137603) said:
@cochise said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137602) said:
@Geo said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137594) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137576) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137531) said:
Stories today have the NRL players superannuation fund being 10 million short over the last 2 seasons ....NRL going to save some more money when they sack whoever is involved with that

I looked into my super 5 days ago and found that I had lost 20,000dollars off my initial balance,it has been put down to the stock exchange losses..I will take the 10,000 dollars on offer tax free to get me through this period...I may as well make the most of what I have saved for before I lose the lot and have nothing left in retirement..the other impact of this is the people in retirement already who depend on drawing down on their self funded or normal supers,rely on it to pay for golf club memberships,football club memberships and other forms of recreation during retirement,many of these will pull the plug on these things as the economy gets tighter..
It may all be well and good to say we will get over this,but just stop and realise how much this has affected the global economy which Australia heavily invests in...without being morbid and trying to stay positive,I think there is a tough road ahead of us,some are going to suffer more than others,but remember we are all in this together and if you feel a heavy strain make sure you get help,we all need it some time...

You have to be careful withdrawing your super now and way up the cost as you will not receive the accumulated interest and tax benefits later on..

Yes depending on your age you are not really withdrawing $10000, it is more likely to cost you upwards of $30-60000 in the long run based on your age!

Im 3 years off retirement age Cochise 10k now to get me through wont make that much difference seeing I lost 20 k in one hit without knowing it until 5 days ago..


I'm also 3 years away from retirement, my super lost almost $57,000 in 4 weeks but has regained $16,377 in the past week.

I can see what your saying PPM,but because I lost the business through the fires,the expenses of my partner with breast cancer and now losing my job through covid19..I have to draw down some of the super money so I can survive..I need some money behind me so I can get back on my feet..I hate being in this position,but I cant help the cards I have been dealt..I have to virtually start over again,not a feat that will be easy as time goes on for me..

Hey mate, I was just registering for my intention to make a claim with centrelink on the mygov website and noticed you can register for the super claim on there now!
 
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137957) said:
@cochise said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137945) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137836) said:
@PrattenParkMagpie said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137796) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137603) said:
@cochise said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137602) said:
@Geo said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137594) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137576) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137531) said:
Stories today have the NRL players superannuation fund being 10 million short over the last 2 seasons ....NRL going to save some more money when they sack whoever is involved with that

I looked into my super 5 days ago and found that I had lost 20,000dollars off my initial balance,it has been put down to the stock exchange losses..I will take the 10,000 dollars on offer tax free to get me through this period...I may as well make the most of what I have saved for before I lose the lot and have nothing left in retirement..the other impact of this is the people in retirement already who depend on drawing down on their self funded or normal supers,rely on it to pay for golf club memberships,football club memberships and other forms of recreation during retirement,many of these will pull the plug on these things as the economy gets tighter..
It may all be well and good to say we will get over this,but just stop and realise how much this has affected the global economy which Australia heavily invests in...without being morbid and trying to stay positive,I think there is a tough road ahead of us,some are going to suffer more than others,but remember we are all in this together and if you feel a heavy strain make sure you get help,we all need it some time...

You have to be careful withdrawing your super now and way up the cost as you will not receive the accumulated interest and tax benefits later on..

Yes depending on your age you are not really withdrawing $10000, it is more likely to cost you upwards of $30-60000 in the long run based on your age!

Im 3 years off retirement age Cochise 10k now to get me through wont make that much difference seeing I lost 20 k in one hit without knowing it until 5 days ago..


I'm also 3 years away from retirement, my super lost almost $57,000 in 4 weeks but has regained $16,377 in the past week.

I can see what your saying PPM,but because I lost the business through the fires,the expenses of my partner with breast cancer and now losing my job through covid19..I have to draw down some of the super money so I can survive..I need some money behind me so I can get back on my feet..I hate being in this position,but I cant help the cards I have been dealt..I have to virtually start over again,not a feat that will be easy as time goes on for me..

Make sure you contact any company your have loans and utilities with and get payments deferred, try to draw down as little as possible. I'm not being an ass just trying to help out. As I previously stated I will probably looking at drawing down some of mine as well. Just make sure you know the negatives of doing it as well as the positives!

Cochise I have had my loan payments deferred,its only small,but I have to have some money behind me because I cant guarantee I will be back at work as soon as this has passed.I do appreciate your input though,,I will be getting the jobseeker payments for about 3 months and that will help.

Yeah I just registered for the jobseeker payments on mygov that will get it backdated to today!
 
@boonboon said in [Corona impact on NRL\.\.\.?](/post/1137885) said:
Thing is the NRL and Clubs have assets worth more then the players contracts and thats what scares the NRL. If players wanted to take them for all the contract money then they could pay by selling offassets or taking loans. If the NRL for example sold ownership of the Origin concept then the NRL might be [This word has been automatically removed]ed moving forwards but players would get their cash and same with the clubs being forced to sell their logos tthey are worth money and money that could be used long term. This is why the NRL is being cautious because legally abd morally are 2 very different things

If the season does not proceed there are clauses that prevent the players from getting one cent ... the players linked there contracts to the TV rights deal no money from them no money to the players !the money they are getting is a good faith payment for things moving forward into the future Imo..
 

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