Coronavirus Outbreak

[Hangonaminute]

The beach was beautiful again today, thanks to everyone who didn't go.
I think I may have infected 2 people though, they came within at least 25m of me.

You know some beaches are open for exercise right?

You might want to explain that to a few on here,
who thought I was putting people's lives at risk by going for a surf.
Despite not even knowing where I live or what beach I go to.

Had nothing to do with that and you know it! You stated you wouldn't follow rules that you didn't agree with and the restrictions put in place were an overreaction and anyone following them were following their overlords! Then you gutlessly backtracked when called out and stated that you were socially distancing because you care about other people, after implying anyone who followed the rules were doing so because of the government overlords.

Don't try to change what happened, it makes you look foolish!

Is English your second language?

Actually it is my 1st of 3! Seriously what law is unjust, you said your beach was never closed?

Did I?
Where did I say that?

You have made your point and opinion well known....why don't you give it a rest while everyone can deal with the overlords...
talk about antagonistic.....

I won't have people misrepresent what I said and twist my words, if they do, I'll call them out and make it clear what I said and what I meant.
Too many people read things into stuff they read that's not there.

Ok may I ask how anyone is misrepresenting you when the following is your post well before you spoke about going to the beach. There were a number of post like this from you stating the isolation was an overreaction! Then when people called you out its been about the beach. It was clear from your other posts this was not just about going to the beach.

You can deal with this one of 3 ways
1. Admit this was about more than the beach and you implied you weren't following the restrictions due to the overreaction from our overlords.

2. Ignore me and show that I am right.

3. Keep trying to change history and I'll just reply by quoting this post as I am done dealing with you!

I don’t see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole “social isolation” thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.

They’ll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven’t even heard of half of these, you’ll never go outside again.

How many times do I have to say, I won't follow unjust rules?

Fining people for going to the beach where they're further away from people than if they're at Bunnings or Kmart makes no sense and is unjust, do you agree with that?

If you do, then I don't understand what you're problem is with me.

If you don't, then please explain how it makes sense and is just?

If you're fair dinkum about so called unjust rules, go challenge them in the courts.

I will

 

[jirskyr]

Coogee, Bondi and a couple of other beaches have had to be closed this afternoon because too many people showed up! They were only opened on Monday, this is why they had to be clos

If the people there are keeping the same "social distancing" as the people INDOORS at Bunnings JBhifi Kmart etc it is unjust and makes no sense to fine them and not fine the people at Kmart, the only difference is location.

Please show me the evidence that the virus is more likely to be spread OUTDOORS on a beach than INDOORS in a shop.

It's not the same thing. You can control flow into and out of a store much more easily than a beach. Also a store is private property and a beach is not.

Don't get me wrong I think they should be closing Bunnings and such, direct people to pickups only or online purchases. But at the very least Bunnings can control the number of patrons they permit inside and have paid staff to manage the customers. Beaches do not have this, and if you let every Tom Richard Harold go down and mill about, it's potentially low risk, but you can't just leave that to trust and you can't police the flow.

The alternative would be to have the cops at the beach entrances like bouncers letting people in and out. They don't have this problem with most parks because people aren't swarming to the parks with every last peak of heat this Autumn.

And then what about exit protocols for a beach - toilets, people washing their feet, showering etc. The risk gets much worse compared to someone walking around a K-Mart.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So, disinfectant huh? Anyone wanna touch that one?

Took me a full 2 minutes of laughing before I could settle down after seeing that on TV earlier. Sad thing is there are plenty of nuffies out there who believe this wood duck.

This is a WTF Public Service Announcement..Before injecting Pine-O-Clean, Dettol or Ajax please consult a medical professional..

Scary thing is some dumb hick will probably try it.

Well a fella in the us of a died after taking Hydroxychloroquine (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is ineffective as has danger side-effects) after hearing Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon sing it's praises

No, that guy died after drinking fish tank cleaner. He was an idiot who paid the ultimate price.

Damn. Dettol has issued a warning about using its product to treat coronavirus. Probably start a rush in the supermarkets.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Scott Morrison says social distancing rules do not apply to school classrooms

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison speaks to the media during a press conference at Parliament House in Canberra, Thursday, April 23, 2020

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the government's medical advice has confirmed that social distancing requirements do not apply to classrooms, clearing the way for students to return to school.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-says-social-distancing-rules-do-not-apply-to-school-classrooms?fbclid=IwAR3IqNmMNZCYiKtK_dSEeK5sfsIVG42C389-5Vd3d8iQVdR-6bqTszQF4nc


Did you listen to the press conference?

Yep..from his mouth..

"The advice cannot be more clear than that. The 1.5 metre in classrooms and the four-square-metre rule is not a requirement of the expert medical advice in classrooms," Mr Morrison told reporters after a meeting of the national cabinet.

Did you listen to what Brendan Murphy said about it?

Yep and..

That there is a study done by NSW Health that shows children, especially young children have very low transfer rates. He also stated that this has been shown in other countries as well!

Good stuff..sounds like Whuhan to me..

Isn't 1 too many..?

So we don't start to lift restrictions until we have 0 cases?

So you'd be OK if a low risk kid contracted the virus ..then was being looked after by Grandma who then got it..when that child could have stayed home..

There was also a Medical officer in NY that says there was a correlation in kids contracting the virus by not being in lockdown and passing it onto elderly relatives

Why is it OK to go to school but not say a Dance class with even less kids or an acting class or a birthday party..after school..if they the study shows very low transfer rates

do you see why so many parents are confused..

Then each state it different again..I see Potato head has accused the QLD PM of pandering to QTU by not allowing kids back until May 22 apart from essential workers

Exactly, none of these rules have made any logical sense from day 1, all of them have been contradictory.

The first rules were that weddings and funerals weren't allowed more than 5 people attended. Yet personal trainers could have a group of 10 sweaty people doing a class. Whaaaat???

Lots of business had to shut, yet for some bizarre reason Scomo was hellbent on keeping hairdressers open.

Then the rules are different from state to state and changing from day to day, it's been a complete joke and very confusing.

My wife is a school teacher so I hear about how confused parents have been every day.

In case people don't understand what "essential worker" is, it's ANYBODY who can still work, that includes work from home.

 

[cochise]

The beach was beautiful again today, thanks to everyone who didn't go.
I think I may have infected 2 people though, they came within at least 25m of me.

You know some beaches are open for exercise right?

You might want to explain that to a few on here,
who thought I was putting people's lives at risk by going for a surf.
Despite not even knowing where I live or what beach I go to.

Had nothing to do with that and you know it! You stated you wouldn't follow rules that you didn't agree with and the restrictions put in place were an overreaction and anyone following them were following their overlords! Then you gutlessly backtracked when called out and stated that you were socially distancing because you care about other people, after implying anyone who followed the rules were doing so because of the government overlords.

Don't try to change what happened, it makes you look foolish!

Is English your second language?

Actually it is my 1st of 3! Seriously what law is unjust, you said your beach was never closed?

Did I?
Where did I say that?

You said this
>For the record, the beach is closed, unless you’re going there to exercise, which I am.

Yes, and I said "if" they want to fine me (people were getting fined for being at the beach and according to Police they weren't excercising)
I'll fight their unjust rules.
The idea that a beach is closed (except) is ridiculous, if something is closed it's closed, if people are allowed to exercise there then it's open.

Nobody is "excercising" at Bunnings or Kmart, they're coming closer to others than they would at the beach.
So it's unjust to fine people just because they have sand under their feet and not concrete.

Last time I'm explaining this

They closed the beaches in Eastern Sydney because 1000's of idiots showed up at the beach. That was completely understandable, you are saying people were having a go at you over going to the beach. You saying you were going to the beach had very little to do with it. It was more your idiotic posts claiming that social isolating was an overreaction in this post below. Stop claiming this is about you going to the beach when it is about stupid posts like this
>I don’t see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole “social isolation” thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season
>
>The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
>
>They’ll just be slower.
>
>Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?
>
>What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?
>
>Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?
>
>What about respitory syncytial virus?
>
>Shit, I bet you haven’t even heard of half of these, you’ll never go outside again.

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Victorian Couple Fined For Breaking Social Distancing Laws Even Though They Hadn't Left Home
By Kieran Simpson

1 week ago


A Victorian couple were fined $1652 each for breaking coronavirus restrictions after sharing their holiday photos to Facebook.

The only problem with the fine was, the photos were a year old.

Jazz Mot said Victoria Police fined her and her husband Garry for going to Lakes Entrance, which is two hours from their home after she shared the images, but, the couple hadn’t actually been.

Mot told 7News “I posted the photos that we took in Lakes Entrance in June last year.’

The fine was given for “going for a drive to Lakes Entrance (non-essential travel)

If I recall there was a guy fined for eating lunch at a table by himself and numerous other ridiculous fines issued to people who weren't any closer than they would have been if they were in line at Kmart.

Yes, the restrictions are outrageous and don't make any sense.

The prevention measures will do more harm than the virus itself.

The fines are so you don't have 1000's of people doing the same thing, which is exactly what we had happen! So they make complete sense! If the went 2 hours from their home to go for a swim they deserved to be fined. If the Pictures were from last year then I am sure they will have their fine reversed!

So you don't think this fine and all others like it is an overreaction?

If people go to the beach and while there break the isolation distance by all means fine them.
But people are being fined for being FURTHER AWAY than they would be at any store.
This is unjust.

You seem to keep dismissing this fact.
You know it's unjust, but you're been conditioned by your overlords to the extent that youll actually defend them even when they're unjust.
It's truly sad.

The fine maybe unjust but I don't believe the law is, unjust fines and punishments are the reasons we have courts and appeals systems mate! If you are travelling 2 hrs to go for a swim then yes you deserve to be fined atm. If YOU are travelling 2 hrs to go for your surf then 100% I hope you will be fined!

Your logic is truly mindboggling

What part don't you understand?

 

[cochise]

Coogee, Bondi and a couple of other beaches have had to be closed this afternoon because too many people showed up! They were only opened on Monday, this is why they had to be clos

If the people there are keeping the same "social distancing" as the people INDOORS at Bunnings JBhifi Kmart etc it is unjust and makes no sense to fine them and not fine the people at Kmart, the only difference is location.

Please show me the evidence that the virus is more likely to be spread OUTDOORS on a beach than INDOORS in a shop.

They couldn't control the social distancing with the amount of people sitting on the beach, not exercising, sitting! There is a reason our numbers are so low and it is because the majority of people are social distancing. We get it, you think this is an overreaction, try telling that to the families of the 191k people that have died due to covid 19. I'm sure people in most countries would swap positions with us, except for a proportion of the USA who are just crazy!

 

[Cairnstigers]

The beach was beautiful again today, thanks to everyone who didn't go.
I think I may have infected 2 people though, they came within at least 25m of me.

You know some beaches are open for exercise right?

You might want to explain that to a few on here,
who thought I was putting people's lives at risk by going for a surf.
Despite not even knowing where I live or what beach I go to.

Had nothing to do with that and you know it! You stated you wouldn't follow rules that you didn't agree with and the restrictions put in place were an overreaction and anyone following them were following their overlords! Then you gutlessly backtracked when called out and stated that you were socially distancing because you care about other people, after implying anyone who followed the rules were doing so because of the government overlords.

Don't try to change what happened, it makes you look foolish!

Is English your second language?

Actually it is my 1st of 3! Seriously what law is unjust, you said your beach was never closed?

Did I?
Where did I say that?

You said this
>For the record, the beach is closed, unless you’re going there to exercise, which I am.

Yes, and I said "if" they want to fine me (people were getting fined for being at the beach and according to Police they weren't excercising)
I'll fight their unjust rules.
The idea that a beach is closed (except) is ridiculous, if something is closed it's closed, if people are allowed to exercise there then it's open.

Nobody is "excercising" at Bunnings or Kmart, they're coming closer to others than they would at the beach.
So it's unjust to fine people just because they have sand under their feet and not concrete.

Last time I'm explaining this

They closed the beaches in Eastern Sydney because 1000's of idiots showed up at the beach. That was completely understandable, you are saying people were having a go at you over going to the beach. You saying you were going to the beach had very little to do with it. It was more your idiotic posts claiming that social isolating was an overreaction in this post below. Stop claiming this is about you going to the beach when it is about stupid posts like this
>I don’t see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole “social isolation” thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season
>
>The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
>
>They’ll just be slower.
>
>Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?
>
>What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?
>
>Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?
>
>What about respitory syncytial virus?
>
>Shit, I bet you haven’t even heard of half of these, you’ll never go outside again.

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HEALTH & BEAUTY
Victorian Couple Fined For Breaking Social Distancing Laws Even Though They Hadn't Left Home
By Kieran Simpson

1 week ago


A Victorian couple were fined $1652 each for breaking coronavirus restrictions after sharing their holiday photos to Facebook.

The only problem with the fine was, the photos were a year old.

Jazz Mot said Victoria Police fined her and her husband Garry for going to Lakes Entrance, which is two hours from their home after she shared the images, but, the couple hadn’t actually been.

Mot told 7News “I posted the photos that we took in Lakes Entrance in June last year.’

The fine was given for “going for a drive to Lakes Entrance (non-essential travel)

If I recall there was a guy fined for eating lunch at a table by himself and numerous other ridiculous fines issued to people who weren't any closer than they would have been if they were in line at Kmart.

Yes, the restrictions are outrageous and don't make any sense.

The prevention measures will do more harm than the virus itself.

The fines are so you don't have 1000's of people doing the same thing, which is exactly what we had happen! So they make complete sense! If the went 2 hours from their home to go for a swim they deserved to be fined. If the Pictures were from last year then I am sure they will have their fine reversed!

So you don't think this fine and all others like it is an overreaction?

If people go to the beach and while there break the social distance by all means fine them.
But people are being fined for being FURTHER AWAY than they would be at any store.
This is unjust.

You seem to keep dismissing this fact.
You know it's unjust, but you've been conditioned by your overlords to the extent that you'll actually defend them even when they're unjust.
It's truly sad.

Hang on a minute Hangonaminute
There are over 26,000,000 people in this country
If everyone had your attitude then we would just be like the USA, GB, Spain, Italy and other countries starting to have increased death rates.
If the fines deter masses of people following your leed then that is a good thing and one that could save this country from ongoing shut downs, mass deaths and poverty that you could not imagine.
The policies on social distancing are working and with some luck we may just beat this Virus
But it appears that you don't care. Notice how I said "appears" because that's how it's coming across, but I am sure this is not what you intend. Or is it ?
I live in Cairns and I walk the Dog on the Beach on Weekends. I / We (wife) keep distance from other people while on the Beach. I myself don't have a problem with you going surfing as you seem to be keeping your distance from others while doing so. But imaging if all surfers continue to surf throughout Australia, Then the social distancing rules would be broken at many beaches. Surfing is just one sport.
If all people in Australia continued thier love of sports, movies, shopping, partying, Bbq's, weddings etc etc etc during this epidemic then we would be just like these countries on the list below
Take special note of the deaths column
The Unjust rules you talk about have Australia falling down the ladder
If or when we beat this Virus in our country you can thank policy makers for making the hard decisions
Then you can Go surfing all day and come home to watch the news on how the USA has lost thousands more lives today for not following the social distance rules.
This post is not about you going surfing
It is about how you seem to vehemently disagree with those social distancing rules which you call unjust

It's Anzac day today
Think about the sacrifices those men and women before you made for our country and people
It's not a big ask to conform to the social distancing rules that have been put in place to save lives.
Stop complaining

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Can I ask a question of those Hell bent on demonising anyone who questions the social isolation , what’s your ideal end state ? Seriously ?Im not being smart either!
We can’t do this forever , the crazies in the US are case in point of this . People are already becoming jack of it , and it’s hard to argue with the arguement that we’ve been under 1% for 2 weeks . Is it when we get into negative growth ?
Say what you want , but it’s extremely unhealthy to have this little amount of human contact , not to mention the amount of people not getting vitamin B from the sun at the moment .
Not to mention the extreme poverty those who were already keeping thier heads barely above water , pre covid.
I don’t know what’s right , but I do wonder how much of the medical world are revelling in the “ha now you have to listen to us “ power boost some would get . As well as the others who are extremely over reactive by nature . I mean we have all had the doctor who could care less , and all had the doctor who had you doing a cat scan and an mri for bumping your head .

 

[mike]

The Government's advice to not wear a mask is nothing short of ridiculous.

They say a mask won't stop you getting corona. I think almost everyone knows this.

***But*** they admit that wearing a mask **reduces** the risk of people spreading.

Which is their objective, right?

If a high percentage of people are going around without ever having symptoms, then surely a mask is an absolute essential item?

Along with cleaning your hands, of course.

The trouble with wearing a mask is 99.9% of people never use them properly. It’s absolutely pointless unless under controlled conditions. ie a hospital situation. Out in public I would say wearing one was more dangerous to the general public than not wearing one.

 

[westTAHger]

I do feel for the many people who have lost family members/friends, and are unable to attend funerals due to travel restrictions, either from interstate or from overseas.

 

[mike]

The beach was beautiful again today, thanks to everyone who didn't go.
I think I may have infected 2 people though, they came within at least 25m of me.

You know some beaches are open for exercise right?

You might want to explain that to a few on here,
who thought I was putting people's lives at risk by going for a surf.
Despite not even knowing where I live or what beach I go to.

Had nothing to do with that and you know it! You stated you wouldn't follow rules that you didn't agree with and the restrictions put in place were an overreaction and anyone following them were following their overlords! Then you gutlessly backtracked when called out and stated that you were socially distancing because you care about other people, after implying anyone who followed the rules were doing so because of the government overlords.

Don't try to change what happened, it makes you look foolish!

Is English your second language?

Actually it is my 1st of 3! Seriously what law is unjust, you said your beach was never closed?

Did I?
Where did I say that?

You said this
>For the record, the beach is closed, unless you’re going there to exercise, which I am.

Yes, and I said "if" they want to fine me (people were getting fined for being at the beach and according to Police they weren't excercising)
I'll fight their unjust rules.
The idea that a beach is closed (except) is ridiculous, if something is closed it's closed, if people are allowed to exercise there then it's open.

Nobody is "excercising" at Bunnings or Kmart, they're coming closer to others than they would at the beach.
So it's unjust to fine people just because they have sand under their feet and not concrete.

Last time I'm explaining this

They closed the beaches in Eastern Sydney because 1000's of idiots showed up at the beach. That was completely understandable, you are saying people were having a go at you over going to the beach. You saying you were going to the beach had very little to do with it. It was more your idiotic posts claiming that social isolating was an overreaction in this post below. Stop claiming this is about you going to the beach when it is about stupid posts like this
>I don’t see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole “social isolation” thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season
>
>The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
>
>They’ll just be slower.
>
>Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?
>
>What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?
>
>Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?
>
>What about respitory syncytial virus?
>
>Shit, I bet you haven’t even heard of half of these, you’ll never go outside again.

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HEALTH & BEAUTY
Victorian Couple Fined For Breaking Social Distancing Laws Even Though They Hadn't Left Home
By Kieran Simpson

1 week ago


A Victorian couple were fined $1652 each for breaking coronavirus restrictions after sharing their holiday photos to Facebook.

The only problem with the fine was, the photos were a year old.

Jazz Mot said Victoria Police fined her and her husband Garry for going to Lakes Entrance, which is two hours from their home after she shared the images, but, the couple hadn’t actually been.

Mot told 7News “I posted the photos that we took in Lakes Entrance in June last year.’

The fine was given for “going for a drive to Lakes Entrance (non-essential travel)

If I recall there was a guy fined for eating lunch at a table by himself and numerous other ridiculous fines issued to people who weren't any closer than they would have been if they were in line at Kmart.

Yes, the restrictions are outrageous and don't make any sense.

The prevention measures will do more harm than the virus itself.

The fines are so you don't have 1000's of people doing the same thing, which is exactly what we had happen! So they make complete sense! If the went 2 hours from their home to go for a swim they deserved to be fined. If the Pictures were from last year then I am sure they will have their fine reversed!

So you don't think this fine and all others like it is an overreaction?

If people go to the beach and while there break the social distance by all means fine them.
But people are being fined for being FURTHER AWAY than they would be at any store.
This is unjust.

You seem to keep dismissing this fact.
You know it's unjust, but you've been conditioned by your overlords to the extent that you'll actually defend them even when they're unjust.
It's truly sad.

Hang on a minute Hangonaminute
There are over 26,000,000 people in this country
If everyone had your attitude then we would just be like the USA, GB, Spain, Italy and other countries starting to have increased death rates.
If the fines deter masses of people following your leed then that is a good thing and one that could save this country from ongoing shut downs, mass deaths and poverty that you could not imagine.
The policies on social distancing are working and with some luck we may just beat this Virus
But it appears that you don't care. Notice how I said "appears" because that's how it's coming across, but I am sure this is not what you intend. Or is it ?
I live in Cairns and I walk the Dog on the Beach on Weekends. I / We (wife) keep distance from other people while on the Beach. I myself don't have a problem with you going surfing as you seem to be keeping your distance from others while doing so. But imaging if all surfers continue to surf throughout Australia, Then the social distancing rules would be broken at many beaches. Surfing is just one sport.
If all people in Australia continued thier love of sports, movies, shopping, partying, Bbq's, weddings etc etc etc during this epidemic then we would be just like these countries on the list below
Take special note of the deaths column
The Unjust rules you talk about have Australia falling down the ladder
If or when we beat this Virus in our country you can thank policy makers for making the hard decisions
Then you can Go surfing all day and come home to watch the news on how the USA has lost thousands more lives today for not following the social distance rules.
This post is not about you going surfing
It is about how you seem to vehemently disagree with those social distancing rules which you call unjust

It's Anzac day today
Think about the sacrifices those men and women before you made for our country and people
It's not a big ask to conform to the social distancing rules that have been put in place to save lives.
Stop complaining

I wish I could give this more than one thumbs up. Spot on.

 

[Zach]

the one thing that i cant get my head around (i apologise if this has been discussed in depth before) , but what happens if all these social distancing rules are relaxed, or lifted, due to us "beating" the virus, and we all go about our daily lives to some degree of normality once again....isnt it inevitable that we will get a rebound - or a 2nd wave like Japan or singapore, and we all go back to square one!?

i totally agree with the flattening curve method so as not to punish our health system....but are we not just delaying the inevitable?

or is that really the only true goal, delaying until we find the cure....

 

[tiger_one]

What we're not told is the real story.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

How far do you get if you go to Centrelink and don't complete a form correctly? Not very. I imagine.

Apparently, if you are a cruise ship operating in a pandemic you can submit.a MARS form for permission to dock and disembark without answering the question as to whether passengers are exhibiting symptoms of COVID19. The ships's. Dr couldn't.explain why it wasn't completed but conceded if it were answered it would be. Y. (Y or N answer required).

This is a Federal form under Home Affairs/Dutton/Border Force. Oversight? This.came to.light on the first day of the special inquiry.

 

[Nelson]

the one thing that i cant get my head around (i apologise if this has been discussed in depth before) , but what happens if all these social distancing rules are relaxed, or lifted, due to us "beating" the virus, and we all go about our daily lives to some degree of normality once again....isnt it inevitable that we will get a rebound - or a 2nd wave like Japan or singapore, and we all go back to square one!?

i totally agree with the flattening curve method so as not to punish our health system....but are we not just delaying the inevitable?

or is that really the only true goal, delaying until we find the cure....

Yes that’s why it would be dangerous to lift the restrictions too quickly- it would risk undoing all the good work & good fortune we’ve had to date. The goal will be eradication domestically, after which a rebound or second wave is only going to come from overseas, hence international travel will be locked down or heavily restricted for some time yet (probably until there’s a vaccine or the virus has petered out across the globe, or become very localised). Once it’s been eradicated domestically we can open back up (other than our borders...).

 

[swag_tiger]

Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is practically telling people to Poison themselves.

 

[happy_tiger]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon-claims-controversial-comment-about-injecting-disinfectants-was-sarcastic/ar-BB139A4p?ocid=ientp

 

[Tim Sheens]

Can I ask a question of those Hell bent on demonising anyone who questions the social isolation , what’s your ideal end state ? Seriously ?Im not being smart either!
We can’t do this forever , the crazies in the US are case in point of this . People are already becoming jack of it , and it’s hard to argue with the arguement that we’ve been under 1% for 2 weeks . Is it when we get into negative growth ?
Say what you want , but it’s extremely unhealthy to have this little amount of human contact , not to mention the amount of people not getting vitamin B from the sun at the moment .
Not to mention the extreme poverty those who were already keeping thier heads barely above water , pre covid.
I don’t know what’s right , but I do wonder how much of the medical world are revelling in the “ha now you have to listen to us “ power boost some would get . As well as the others who are extremely over reactive by nature . I mean we have all had the doctor who could care less , and all had the doctor who had you doing a cat scan and an mri for bumping your head .

For mine it is pretty simple, we either have what we have now or one of those figures ascending up the chart shown by @Cairnstigers above and the US one below that shows how nothing much changes even after a month or so with a half arsed approach. In the meantime, I have lived with a very distressed son that cannot escape from something that he needs to, but like you and others, he has continually been able to soak up the sun whilst walking freely with another who lives locally to maintain human contact throughout these measures, so it is not as bad as you described.

People are already acting on the improved situation, by reopening their hair salons that they themselves closed down because of the danger, along with similar services, so society is making the decision. The ones deciding to bath in the sun on the beach at the first opportunity are holding back some more freedom for all of us.

The poverty bit is very pertinent and can be alleviated reasonably simply when it is the target and by the pre covid greedy people no longer worried about filling their own pockets at the expense of others, which your doctors analogy can transfer to. And yes, I am on the told you so side, with the "crazies" that you mentioned mostly not being the downtrodden, rather, the ones that firmly place their boots on them, or at best, the ones that vote them in.

Edit; **37170** new cases and 1858 new deaths in the United States today, which is their highest daily figure yet. Assuming that the testing rate is similar to that which has remained reasonably constant for weeks, it only shows further failure.
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[cochise]

Can I ask a question of those Hell bent on demonising anyone who questions the social isolation , what’s your ideal end state ? Seriously ?Im not being smart either!
We can’t do this forever , the crazies in the US are case in point of this . People are already becoming jack of it , and it’s hard to argue with the arguement that we’ve been under 1% for 2 weeks . Is it when we get into negative growth ?
Say what you want , but it’s extremely unhealthy to have this little amount of human contact , not to mention the amount of people not getting vitamin B from the sun at the moment .
Not to mention the extreme poverty those who were already keeping thier heads barely above water , pre covid.
I don’t know what’s right , but I do wonder how much of the medical world are revelling in the “ha now you have to listen to us “ power boost some would get . As well as the others who are extremely over reactive by nature . I mean we have all had the doctor who could care less , and all had the doctor who had you doing a cat scan and an mri for bumping your head .

We are in the process of planning our way out of this, restrictions will slowly be lifted starting in about 3 weeks. There are 3 concrete things that need to be in place before we start to lift restrictions!

1. The best testing practice in the world, the CMO was yesterday talking about the ability to test 50000 people a day if need be. This may include random testing of people in hotspot to track community transmission.

2. The ability to aggressively target contacts of know cases, this is to get these people into isolation to break the transmission chain. This is why the government is pushing this tracking app so hard. I am undecided if I will install the app as I am unhappy with some privacy issues around its implementation.

3. A healthcare system that can deal with any outbreaks we have, we will have outbreaks in areas when restrictions are lifted and we need to manage and contain those outbreaks while not overwhelming the healthcare system and losing control and containment of the outbreak!

Only once these 3 things are in place can restrictions be relaxed!

 

[happy_tiger]

Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard