Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger_Steve]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

 

[Regan]

But the thing is with the bushfires you could smell the smoke in Sydney from a long way away and if this virus last out side a host for up to 13 days and when I cough in my back yard at home and i cough out the virus on a windy day like today I could infect some one kilometres away every one will be infected unless your the bubble boy from Seinfeld

 

[Tigerboy]

But the thing is with the bushfires you could smell the smoke in Sydney from a long way away and if this virus last out side a host for up to 13 days and when I cough in my back yard at home and i cough out the virus on a windy day like today I could infect some one kilometres away every one will be infected unless your the bubble boy from Seinfeld

Agreed Regan, I think it’s definitely proving to be more virulent than it is potent, per say... the real issue is how many people’s underlying issues were spurred on further by our bushfire’s!

If i’m living through this in the kind of community that I am and with minimal deaths (none so far - thank god) then it’s gone dormant... my take is one of these in the future ends us

Timing of it seems unshakable. Classic Seinfeld

 

[cochise]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

I've been into a couple of places that have been empty for the last 3 or 4 weeks every time I go there. It's like the guy that died from a heart attack in Haymarket about a month ago and no one gave him CPR because of fear of him being infected.

 

[jadtiger]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

I've been into a couple of places that have been empty for the last 3 or 4 weeks every time I go there. It's like the guy that died from a heart attack in Haymarket about a month ago and no one gave him CPR because of fear of him being infected.

Did that actually happen or is it an urban myth like commonly happens?

 

[tony soprano]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

Might give a try, what you recommend on the menu?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

Might give a try, what you recommend on the menu?

Well my wife orders so I’m not up on names but they do an amazing spicy lamb ribs, also chicken bites with peanuts is great and hot! Also a cold noodles dish with a really spicy sauce. Sorry that’s not more helpful but the menu is in an iPad and you can see the dish. It’s in the entertainment quarter above the train station

Another awesome restaurant is Khao Pla Thai. Really modern Thai food. The Tom Yum Goong is the best

 

[cochise]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

I've been into a couple of places that have been empty for the last 3 or 4 weeks every time I go there. It's like the guy that died from a heart attack in Haymarket about a month ago and no one gave him CPR because of fear of him being infected.

Did that actually happen or is it an urban myth like commonly happens?

Actually happened!
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/bystanders-feared-coronavirus-after-man-collapsed-outside-chinatown-restaurant/news-story/4b1c6810fd911ec3f4f2b568b3695e10

Though it was originally reported in the Telegraph so who really knows!

 

[jadtiger]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

I've been into a couple of places that have been empty for the last 3 or 4 weeks every time I go there. It's like the guy that died from a heart attack in Haymarket about a month ago and no one gave him CPR because of fear of him being infected.

Did that actually happen or is it an urban myth like commonly happens?

Actually happened!
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/bystanders-feared-coronavirus-after-man-collapsed-outside-chinatown-restaurant/news-story/4b1c6810fd911ec3f4f2b568b3695e10

Though it was originally reported in the Telegraph so who really knows!

Hehe point taken

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I guess the other question is this ...will it be possible to catch the virus twice ...or does the body build its own immunity

If you have 2 heads there is twice as much chance of contracting it apparently.

Happy licks cane toads ..he’s immune from any viruses ?
The only thing that’ll bring him down is his missus ?

Hap and his cat are still anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Y2k bug......time moves SLOWLY in Qld

 

[innsaneink]

So I'm wondering how NRL crowds for round 1 and beyond will be.... have you had second thoughts on going?
They advise not to attend places with large amounts of people

 

[NT_Tiger]

So I'm wondering how NRL crowds for round 1 and beyond will be.... have you had second thoughts on going?
They advise not to attend places with large amounts of people

That's only because there will be no paper in the dunnies.

 

[Don Kershane]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

Chatswood Restaurants rely heavily on busloads of Chinese tourists with restaurant meals included in their packages. The larger places really are suffering . The Sydney Fish Market must be empty-should be good buying there at the moment.

 

[Snake]

I do not have much sympathy for these Chinese food outlets ... ask there staff what there being paid and what benefits there receiving ? The owners are the only ones that benefit the thousands of years of extorting there own kind continues today .. please do not hesitate in in adding your comments !

 

[Tigerboy]

For all discussing the statistics let me say the following :

At this stage the stats are indicative only as there are significant issues with the reliability of initial data from China and now Iran in particular. Consider all stats at the moment to be more general than definitive but there are many more reasons to be positive than negative or alarmist.

There seems to be a significant number of patients globally who haven’t been counted as they have nil or mild symptoms - this significantly skews any data on transmission rates and death rates. the most recent journal articles from reputable medical journals are now citing the global death rate is trending down and should continue to do so. A couple are suggesting that in all likelihood the rate will settle in the general area of influenza. But as with any stat, the more data collected the more accurate the end result, so we will see.

As mentioned, statistics are great for management and health economic planning and for sensationalist media reporting but not necessarily important for the individual. Remember the saying , "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

The post above about the “economist” prediction has been eviscerated by many sources as unnecessarily alarmist and wildly inaccurate. They back tracked very quickly after the furore.


Yeh, I think we all realise the value of statistics and the general circumstances of their application. For that reason I thought those stats I posted coming from the diamond princess may have been more useful to analysts, given they also could possibly have some access to the passenger list? Ages etc.
don’t mean to sound so cold about it, but numbers don’t have feelings.

According to jirskyr, we'd need to wait 2-5 years to have sufficient data to take notice of the statistics...

That's not what I said, I said the rates might not settle for 2-5 years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first few months is exactly what it says - the rate in the first few months. The comparative flu rate is from decades of data of many different strains. So COVID-19 mortality rates might get worse, or they might get drastically better.

But what does that matter to the sample size of 1? If you are sick, you are sick. If you die, you die. You can't half-die or 3% die, so you just need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Fuss over whether the mortality rate is 3.5% or 5.3% etc, or whether the Chinese aren't posting true numbers - a problem for Chinese, not for Australians.

Right, so regardless of whether the rates settle or not, any data on this is irrelevant as long as I only consider myself?

You seem to have taken my post as an insult. Not my field, so I'm genuinely trying to learn off you seeing as you're a professional in the industry.

You have a weird way of being genuine, stirring up nonsense about indigenous.

Firstly, I'm not an epidemiologist. So if we have one in here, they are the expert. But I know a reasonable amount about disease statistics, particularly in analysis of clinical trial data, because that's part of what I do for a living.

What is global data? It's just the sum of all the stuff. There is no average person in real-life, you can't point to the person who is in the middle of everything. So global data is only relevant to you, the individual, in considering your own risk.

For example, the global road fatality rate is about 0.02%, for influenza it's about 0.2%. So you are about 10x more likely to die from flu than a road crash. I would propose to you that most people are pretty confident of not dying from flu. Similarly, most people are pretty confident of not dying from driving. Why are people confident? Because on average the death rates are pretty low.

That's somewhat reasonable, but it's just a risk factor. If you actually have flu, you are very obviously more chance of dying from it than if you don't have flu. If you are elderly or immuno-compromised, your risk increases substantially again. Same when comparing safe driving with a seatbelt vs speeding whilst on drugs and no seatbelt.

So then what help, really, is the global flu data or global road death toll data to an indivdual, going about their day? You are either sick or you are not, and you respond accordingly. Global data is very helpful to hospitals, very helpful to road safety professionals, very helpful to the government, but just a predictor for your standard citizen. Then, if your circumstances change and you become at much higher risk of flu or road death, you take appropriate action. If you have flue or are about to crash, you respond ever more seriously.

I.e. if you have COVID-19 or know someone who does - take it very seriously. Take it more seriously than the 3.4% mortality rate might indicate you should. If you don't have them, just be aware of the risk. But whether or not it's 4% or 6% global risk, I really don't think that matters - people are already taking it quite seriously.




I think I have it but I am not going to get tested


Regan, do you have a reason for not getting tested? Are you isolated?



I have a sore throat dry cough lungs are sore with a pressure burning sensation and I have a headache that comes and goes and when it's bad it's really bad I am very tired at times I was in Chinatown about 7 weeks ago talk with some Chinese tourists told them to get the ferry to manly its a great thing to do about two three weeks after that I started to feel the way I do now and its just not going away

Getting tested I was thinking about it but decided not to after the Australia government decided to let 100.000 Chinese students back into the country before closing the border just to let the university's to get there money I have nothing against Chinese people at all they are great to go out drinking and having fun with but I work near the university and figure I am going to get it long with everyone else in the next 6 months


A friend gave me some advice today how to beat it if I have it I will try that in the next week and see how I go and also its science base and I read a paper on it today it all sounds good

Mate I'm I Haymarket 3 times a week, if you are worried get tested to put your mind at ease but I doubt you have it from 7 weeks ago.

Have the exact same symptoms tbh... Haymarket is probably as bad - but Chatswood, Rhodes and Ryde are practically ghost towns ATM.

I'm in Ryde, Chatswood and Eastwood a couple of times a week as well and you are right they are empty. Chinese people pretty much disappear during these types of events. The restaurants in those areas are almost empty atm.

Went to our favourite restaurant last night for dinner in Chatswood. China chilli - magnificent! Usually have to wait 30 minutes or more for a table. Last night there were three tables occupied in the whole restaurant.

Chatswood Restaurants rely heavily on busloads of Chinese tourists with restaurant meals included in their packages. The larger places really are suffering . The Sydney Fish Market must be empty-should be good buying there at the moment.

Got a good friend @ De Costi’s and we both reckon small businesses are suffering

Top Ryde, as an example, many small businesses and top companies rolling out of there but ATM - you’d only be seen dead at the coffee shop (Lebanese of course)

 

[hammertime]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

How is being smart about high touch surfaces running around like chicken little?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I do not have much sympathy for these Chinese food outlets ... ask there staff what there being paid and what benefits there receiving ? The owners are the only ones that benefit the thousands of years of extorting there own kind continues today .. please do not hesitate in in adding your comments !

You are 100% correct Snake. It is something that really gets me going. Most restaurant staff on the floor work for $10-$15 per hour cash. No penalty rates, no holiday pay, no super. They are preyed upon because their English is substandard and they are limited for employment choice.
So let’s improve English and now we open another can of worms. There are a number of registered English schools where if you pay thousands of dollars you can be granted a certificate of attendance whether you turn up or not. This certificate is critical in gaining permanent residency. Then there are the massive number of adult schools that charge incredible amounts of money to learn English but are taught absolutely horrifically.
But I will balance the argument regarding the Chinese. These people are often poorly educated and have little opportunity. They will do anything to make money for their family. Often they are working to send money home to aging parents who cannot access free healthcare like we do in Australia. Those that run businesses do rip off others but they also take tremendous risk and usually employ many many people.

 

[happy_tiger]

I do not have much sympathy for these Chinese food outlets ... ask there staff what there being paid and what benefits there receiving ? The owners are the only ones that benefit the thousands of years of extorting there own kind continues today .. please do not hesitate in in adding your comments !

You are 100% correct Snake. It is something that really gets me going. Most restaurant staff on the floor work for $10-$15 per hour cash. No penalty rates, no holiday pay, no super. They are preyed upon because their English is substandard and they are limited for employment choice.
So let’s improve English and now we open another can of worms. There are a number of registered English schools where if you pay thousands of dollars you can be granted a certificate of attendance whether you turn up or not. This certificate is critical in gaining permanent residency. Then there are the massive number of adult schools that charge incredible amounts of money to learn English but are taught absolutely horrifically.
But I will balance the argument regarding the Chinese. These people are often poorly educated and have little opportunity. They will do anything to make money for their family. Often they are working to send money home to aging parents who cannot access free healthcare like we do in Australia. Those that run businesses do rip off others but they also take tremendous risk and usually employ many many people.

Which means they are still able to receive full benefits from Centrelink .....IF that is the case

I know the owner of 3 Chinese Restaurants in Gladstone ......lot of generalizations being made

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I am more intolerant in my older age but if I hear another QLD Govt Minister prattle on about Qld jobs and supporting Qlders I will scream. I am sure the remainder of Australia and businesses and families doing it tough do not exist.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I do not have much sympathy for these Chinese food outlets ... ask there staff what there being paid and what benefits there receiving ? The owners are the only ones that benefit the thousands of years of extorting there own kind continues today .. please do not hesitate in in adding your comments !

Unchecked capitalism.