Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w

Heard about Ivomectin being the best solution for Covid from an Aussie doctor about 4 months ago, he was quickly shut down. It’s not in the pharmaceutical companies best interests for everyone to use a drug that’s already so available, they must make their millions (and inflate their egos) rolling out a largely untested new vaccine.

I can’t believe they are holding back the real solution to this pandemic and playing with people’s lives in such an unprecedented time as this. It’s disgusting!

Not having a personal dig at you, but these types of stories are almost always dodgy.

You've got to highly sceptical when you hear about a one-off doctor being 'shut down'.

It's far more likely that some business council lobby group that wanted to end restrictions rolled out a random bloke to milk a borderline study for all it was worth (see the facts about that one here https://www.nps.org.au/Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-and-covid-19)

The 'shut down' thing was most like someone like the AMA telling the bloke to pull his head in and stop pushing untested medicines.

Forgetting the Aussie doctor who told me about it, did you actually watch the video that sheer64 posted?

I did.

He seemed to believe in it pretty strongly but wanted to shortcut all the usual safety checks that medications have gone through for decades.

And a vaccine produced in less than six months isn’t a shortcut?

I think his major gripe is that the NIH refuse to even consider the use of Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) (a known drug) despite its apparent potential to prevent the spread of COVID-19! And you have to ask why.

He and his colleagues aren’t just bozos with an agenda, they are world renowned medicos and scientists who have been at the coal face of this disease since its inception, treating the dying people and constantly researching, checking and testing for a solution. I know where I would rather put my faith.

The current vaccines have gone through all the established and independent reviews, trials and safety checks.

Whereas the emergency room doctor in the video openly admits his hasn't.

Don't know about you, but I know which one I'd trust.

Another conspiracy theory out there that doesn't stand up to ***any scrutiny.***

How do you explain the scientific studies in my previous post?

Here is the standard playbook.The whole world knows about an easy cure and they just aren't using it because ... I don't know.

How are people so irrational ?

Irrational? To test it scientifically, find it helps (small numbers) and call for more info?

 

[happy_tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w

Heard about Ivomectin being the best solution for Covid from an Aussie doctor about 4 months ago, he was quickly shut down. It’s not in the pharmaceutical companies best interests for everyone to use a drug that’s already so available, they must make their millions (and inflate their egos) rolling out a largely untested new vaccine.

I can’t believe they are holding back the real solution to this pandemic and playing with people’s lives in such an unprecedented time as this. It’s disgusting!

Not having a personal dig at you, but these types of stories are almost always dodgy.

You've got to highly sceptical when you hear about a one-off doctor being 'shut down'.

It's far more likely that some business council lobby group that wanted to end restrictions rolled out a random bloke to milk a borderline study for all it was worth (see the facts about that one here https://www.nps.org.au/Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-and-covid-19)

The 'shut down' thing was most like someone like the AMA telling the bloke to pull his head in and stop pushing untested medicines.

Forgetting the Aussie doctor who told me about it, did you actually watch the video that sheer64 posted?

I did.

He seemed to believe in it pretty strongly but wanted to shortcut all the usual safety checks that medications have gone through for decades.

And a vaccine produced in less than six months isn’t a shortcut?

I think his major gripe is that the NIH refuse to even consider the use of Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) (a known drug) despite its apparent potential to prevent the spread of COVID-19! And you have to ask why.

He and his colleagues aren’t just bozos with an agenda, they are world renowned medicos and scientists who have been at the coal face of this disease since its inception, treating the dying people and constantly researching, checking and testing for a solution. I know where I would rather put my faith.

Covid19 is not a parasite, it’s a virus which is why Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is not considered an effective treatment.

The best treatment, once you have Covid19, is steroid based to reduce the overactive immune system response to Covid19. In many cases it’s the overreaction of the immune system that causes the morbidity of Covid19.

The only effective prevention is a vaccine. To be clear I will be getting vaccinated against Covid19 and at the earliest opportunity.

Sorry mate ...it's not for WT's supporters

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Governments can only do so much as long as the not me, nor lack of self responsibility attitude continues across the nation.

.

Shut the border.

The horse has bolted all the lock down has achieved is 10’s of thousands have been on the move spreading it everywhere real smart that Queensland lot .. should of been an immediate lockdown to stop the movement .

Qld is 'going hard and fast'.

Good to see Brisbane residents holding their nerve - run to the hills!

 

[Tiger5150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w

Heard about Ivomectin being the best solution for Covid from an Aussie doctor about 4 months ago, he was quickly shut down. It’s not in the pharmaceutical companies best interests for everyone to use a drug that’s already so available, they must make their millions (and inflate their egos) rolling out a largely untested new vaccine.

I can’t believe they are holding back the real solution to this pandemic and playing with people’s lives in such an unprecedented time as this. It’s disgusting!

Not having a personal dig at you, but these types of stories are almost always dodgy.

You've got to highly sceptical when you hear about a one-off doctor being 'shut down'.

It's far more likely that some business council lobby group that wanted to end restrictions rolled out a random bloke to milk a borderline study for all it was worth (see the facts about that one here https://www.nps.org.au/Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-and-covid-19)

The 'shut down' thing was most like someone like the AMA telling the bloke to pull his head in and stop pushing untested medicines.

Forgetting the Aussie doctor who told me about it, did you actually watch the video that sheer64 posted?

I did.

He seemed to believe in it pretty strongly but wanted to shortcut all the usual safety checks that medications have gone through for decades.

And a vaccine produced in less than six months isn’t a shortcut?

I think his major gripe is that the NIH refuse to even consider the use of Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) (a known drug) despite its apparent potential to prevent the spread of COVID-19! And you have to ask why.

He and his colleagues aren’t just bozos with an agenda, they are world renowned medicos and scientists who have been at the coal face of this disease since its inception, treating the dying people and constantly researching, checking and testing for a solution. I know where I would rather put my faith.

The current vaccines have gone through all the established and independent reviews, trials and safety checks.

Whereas the emergency room doctor in the video openly admits his hasn't.

Don't know about you, but I know which one I'd trust.

I think he was asking them to test it ...get the results before spending billions ....as if a Pharmaceutical company would listen ...worse than Insurance companies
Maybe I

Exactly! Why not at least look at it as a potential solution instead of just dismissing it, especially since these doctors and researchers have been using it in the treatment of Covid patients with very positive results?

Oh and I think the guy in the video is a little bit more than just an emergency room doctor. Pacito you seem to have no problem just dismissing the findings of some of these front line health professionals without even considering the possibility that they may actually know something - do you work in the industry yourself? Not trying to be smart, it’s a genuine question.

The scientific process has come a long way in the last few hundred years. By testing stuff properly, allowing independent scrutiny and using proper scientific design and process, life expectancy has gone up.

These guys were asking to bypass that.

Caveat: I havent watched the video, but I have been following the research into Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective).

It is not unscientific to bypass large chunks of the "scientific process". Drug testing is required to prove safety and efficacy. The safety of this drug has been proven over the best part of a hundred years. In many African countries, this drug is widely distributed without prescription, free of charge in some countries and has saved and lengthened many lives as a result (on label usage/anti parasitic) so there is no requirement to prove safety. As a result you can certainly shortcut the process and give it to COVID patients to see what happens, as is already happening in some studies.

I never give these types equal voice to those that do proper research, regardless of whether they wear a lab coat.

I also don't work in medicine / pharma.

I dont work in medicine/pharma but I do work in a scientific field.

 

[Tiger5150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w

Heard about Ivomectin being the best solution for Covid from an Aussie doctor about 4 months ago, he was quickly shut down. It’s not in the pharmaceutical companies best interests for everyone to use a drug that’s already so available, they must make their millions (and inflate their egos) rolling out a largely untested new vaccine.

I can’t believe they are holding back the real solution to this pandemic and playing with people’s lives in such an unprecedented time as this. It’s disgusting!

Not having a personal dig at you, but these types of stories are almost always dodgy.

You've got to highly sceptical when you hear about a one-off doctor being 'shut down'.

It's far more likely that some business council lobby group that wanted to end restrictions rolled out a random bloke to milk a borderline study for all it was worth (see the facts about that one here https://www.nps.org.au/Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-and-covid-19)

The 'shut down' thing was most like someone like the AMA telling the bloke to pull his head in and stop pushing untested medicines.

Forgetting the Aussie doctor who told me about it, did you actually watch the video that sheer64 posted?

I did.

He seemed to believe in it pretty strongly but wanted to shortcut all the usual safety checks that medications have gone through for decades.

And a vaccine produced in less than six months isn’t a shortcut?

I think his major gripe is that the NIH refuse to even consider the use of Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) (a known drug) despite its apparent potential to prevent the spread of COVID-19! And you have to ask why.

He and his colleagues aren’t just bozos with an agenda, they are world renowned medicos and scientists who have been at the coal face of this disease since its inception, treating the dying people and constantly researching, checking and testing for a solution. I know where I would rather put my faith.

The current vaccines have gone through all the established and independent reviews, trials and safety checks.

Whereas the emergency room doctor in the video openly admits his hasn't.

Don't know about you, but I know which one I'd trust.

I think he was asking them to test it ...get the results before spending billions ....as if a Pharmaceutical company would listen ...worse than Insurance companies
Maybe I

Exactly! Why not at least look at it as a potential solution instead of just dismissing it, especially since these doctors and researchers have been using it in the treatment of Covid patients with very positive results?

Oh and I think the guy in the video is a little bit more than just an emergency room doctor. Pacito you seem to have no problem just dismissing the findings of some of these front line health professionals without even considering the possibility that they may actually know something - do you work in the industry yourself? Not trying to be smart, it’s a genuine question.

The scientific process has come a long way in the last few hundred years. By testing stuff properly, allowing independent scrutiny and using proper scientific design and process, life expectancy has gone up.

These guys were asking to bypass that.

They basically just wrote a sloppy paper, couldn't be arsed putting it up for review by others and even admitted they didn't bother doing placebo studies. It's really lazy stuff.

I never give these types equal voice to those that do proper research, regardless of whether they wear a lab coat.

I also don't work in medicine / pharma.

They are trying to take us back to the dark ages. They are completely uneducated.

You have to prove something via following a rigorous process. It's not really that hard to understand.

Ok, how do you explain the studies in my previous post, and (serious question) why the vigorous argument of NOT looking into it?

 

[mike]

Governments can only do so much as long as the not me, nor lack of self responsibility attitude continues across the nation.

.

Shut the border.

The horse has bolted all the lock down has achieved is 10’s of thousands have been on the move spreading it everywhere real smart that Queensland lot .. should of been an immediate lockdown to stop the movement .

Qld is 'going hard and fast'.

Good to see Brisbane residents holding their nerve - run to the hills!

All hands abandoned ship. Repeat all hands abandoned ship. Absolutely no personal responsibility shown by Queenslanders, which is no surprise really. Match that against the Northern Beaches where the population stayed put and more than 40% of them got tested.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w

Heard about Ivomectin being the best solution for Covid from an Aussie doctor about 4 months ago, he was quickly shut down. It’s not in the pharmaceutical companies best interests for everyone to use a drug that’s already so available, they must make their millions (and inflate their egos) rolling out a largely untested new vaccine.

I can’t believe they are holding back the real solution to this pandemic and playing with people’s lives in such an unprecedented time as this. It’s disgusting!

Not having a personal dig at you, but these types of stories are almost always dodgy.

You've got to highly sceptical when you hear about a one-off doctor being 'shut down'.

It's far more likely that some business council lobby group that wanted to end restrictions rolled out a random bloke to milk a borderline study for all it was worth (see the facts about that one here https://www.nps.org.au/Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-and-covid-19)

The 'shut down' thing was most like someone like the AMA telling the bloke to pull his head in and stop pushing untested medicines.

Forgetting the Aussie doctor who told me about it, did you actually watch the video that sheer64 posted?

I did.

He seemed to believe in it pretty strongly but wanted to shortcut all the usual safety checks that medications have gone through for decades.

And a vaccine produced in less than six months isn’t a shortcut?

I think his major gripe is that the NIH refuse to even consider the use of Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) (a known drug) despite its apparent potential to prevent the spread of COVID-19! And you have to ask why.

He and his colleagues aren’t just bozos with an agenda, they are world renowned medicos and scientists who have been at the coal face of this disease since its inception, treating the dying people and constantly researching, checking and testing for a solution. I know where I would rather put my faith.

The current vaccines have gone through all the established and independent reviews, trials and safety checks.

Whereas the emergency room doctor in the video openly admits his hasn't.

Don't know about you, but I know which one I'd trust.

I think he was asking them to test it ...get the results before spending billions ....as if a Pharmaceutical company would listen ...worse than Insurance companies
Maybe I

Exactly! Why not at least look at it as a potential solution instead of just dismissing it, especially since these doctors and researchers have been using it in the treatment of Covid patients with very positive results?

Oh and I think the guy in the video is a little bit more than just an emergency room doctor. Pacito you seem to have no problem just dismissing the findings of some of these front line health professionals without even considering the possibility that they may actually know something - do you work in the industry yourself? Not trying to be smart, it’s a genuine question.

The scientific process has come a long way in the last few hundred years. By testing stuff properly, allowing independent scrutiny and using proper scientific design and process, life expectancy has gone up.

These guys were asking to bypass that.

They basically just wrote a sloppy paper, couldn't be arsed putting it up for review by others and even admitted they didn't bother doing placebo studies. It's really lazy stuff.

I never give these types equal voice to those that do proper research, regardless of whether they wear a lab coat.

I also don't work in medicine / pharma.

They are trying to take us back to the dark ages. They are completely uneducated.

You have to prove something via following a rigorous process. It's not really that hard to understand.


Ok, how do you explain the studies in my previous post, and (serious question) why the vigorous argument of NOT looking into it?

That’s the $60,000 question isn’t it. I really can’t understand why people are so opposed at even considering it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but I am becoming more and more bewildered by the vehement opposition to any other possible solution put forward besides a vaccine!

 

[Tiger5150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w

Heard about Ivomectin being the best solution for Covid from an Aussie doctor about 4 months ago, he was quickly shut down. It’s not in the pharmaceutical companies best interests for everyone to use a drug that’s already so available, they must make their millions (and inflate their egos) rolling out a largely untested new vaccine.

I can’t believe they are holding back the real solution to this pandemic and playing with people’s lives in such an unprecedented time as this. It’s disgusting!

Not having a personal dig at you, but these types of stories are almost always dodgy.

You've got to highly sceptical when you hear about a one-off doctor being 'shut down'.

It's far more likely that some business council lobby group that wanted to end restrictions rolled out a random bloke to milk a borderline study for all it was worth (see the facts about that one here https://www.nps.org.au/Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-and-covid-19)

The 'shut down' thing was most like someone like the AMA telling the bloke to pull his head in and stop pushing untested medicines.

Forgetting the Aussie doctor who told me about it, did you actually watch the video that sheer64 posted?

I did.

He seemed to believe in it pretty strongly but wanted to shortcut all the usual safety checks that medications have gone through for decades.

And a vaccine produced in less than six months isn’t a shortcut?

I think his major gripe is that the NIH refuse to even consider the use of Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) (a known drug) despite its apparent potential to prevent the spread of COVID-19! And you have to ask why.

He and his colleagues aren’t just bozos with an agenda, they are world renowned medicos and scientists who have been at the coal face of this disease since its inception, treating the dying people and constantly researching, checking and testing for a solution. I know where I would rather put my faith.

The current vaccines have gone through all the established and independent reviews, trials and safety checks.

Whereas the emergency room doctor in the video openly admits his hasn't.

Don't know about you, but I know which one I'd trust.

I think he was asking them to test it ...get the results before spending billions ....as if a Pharmaceutical company would listen ...worse than Insurance companies
Maybe I

Exactly! Why not at least look at it as a potential solution instead of just dismissing it, especially since these doctors and researchers have been using it in the treatment of Covid patients with very positive results?

Oh and I think the guy in the video is a little bit more than just an emergency room doctor. Pacito you seem to have no problem just dismissing the findings of some of these front line health professionals without even considering the possibility that they may actually know something - do you work in the industry yourself? Not trying to be smart, it’s a genuine question.

The scientific process has come a long way in the last few hundred years. By testing stuff properly, allowing independent scrutiny and using proper scientific design and process, life expectancy has gone up.

These guys were asking to bypass that.

They basically just wrote a sloppy paper, couldn't be arsed putting it up for review by others and even admitted they didn't bother doing placebo studies. It's really lazy stuff.

I never give these types equal voice to those that do proper research, regardless of whether they wear a lab coat.

I also don't work in medicine / pharma.

They are trying to take us back to the dark ages. They are completely uneducated.

You have to prove something via following a rigorous process. It's not really that hard to understand.


Ok, how do you explain the studies in my previous post, and (serious question) why the vigorous argument of NOT looking into it?


That’s the $60,000 question isn’t it. I really can’t understand why people are so opposed at even considering it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but I am becoming more and more bewildered by the vehement opposition to any other possible solution put forward bar a vaccine!

I like you are NOT a conspiracy theorist and when its my turn (after all high risk people) will probably hold my arm out for the (Oxford, no other) vaccine.

Its madness. There is a LOT of proper scientific peer reviewed research into Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and it is very promising.

IMO its a political thing. There seems to be two teams now and they have a side for everything and any situation that arises anymore in life falls into one of those two camps. COVID follows from Climate Change.

The (far) right think everything is a conspiracy, masks are for control, vaccines have 5g chips in them, the left simply scream 'shut up, wear your mask and get the vaccine". Anything outside of this binary is seen as a threat that needs to be crushed on both sides.

 

[coivtny]

Governments can only do so much as long as the not me, nor lack of self responsibility attitude continues across the nation.

.

Shut the border.

The horse has bolted all the lock down has achieved is 10’s of thousands have been on the move spreading it everywhere real smart that Queensland lot .. should of been an immediate lockdown to stop the movement .

Qld is 'going hard and fast'.

Good to see Brisbane residents holding their nerve - run to the hills!

Haha. Love it.

 

[Snake]

And Queenslanders have 2 heads and still haven’t the brains of the people in Sydney !

 

[earl]

That’s the $60,000 question isn’t it. I really can’t understand why people are so opposed at even considering it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but I am becoming more and more bewildered by the vehement opposition to any other possible solution put forward besides a vaccine!

You aren't a conspiracy theorist but you believe in a conspiracy theory. Makes sense.

There is no vehement opposition to any solution besides a vaccine. Everyone wants a way out of this pandemic. We just need to follow the scientific method which means testing via a rigorous process any way to mitigate this disease.

Maybe a better way to help out the conspiracy theorists is to ask why would anyone not want a way forward. Why did Donald's suggestions like drinking antiseptic not work ? Just think about it for a bit.

 

[happy_tiger]

And Queenslanders have 2 heads and still haven’t the brains of the people in Sydney !

Yet we still hold that little Shield that you blokes inexplicably lost when you were going to win 3-0 ......#loldynasty

 

[Tiger5150]

That’s the $60,000 question isn’t it. I really can’t understand why people are so opposed at even considering it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but I am becoming more and more bewildered by the vehement opposition to any other possible solution put forward besides a vaccine!

You aren't a conspiracy theorist but you believe in a conspiracy theory. Makes sense.

I cant speak for Spud, but a conspiracy theory that has scores of peer reviewed documentation and studies? You have made 4 posts since I listed a short list of just some of the scientific study into Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and they you seem to ignore it to continue your narrative?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32707573/
https://trialsitenews.com/well-respected-australian-researcher-consider-triple-therapy-Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-zinc-doxycycline-for-covid-19/
https://trialsitenews.com/broward-county-doctor-using-Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-off-label-combo-on-covid-19-patients-it-is-working-secures-county-health-protocol-approval/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2020/07/08/2020.07.07.20145979.full.pdf
https://youtu.be/KfbBvvPVFdw?t=3764

There is no vehement opposition to any solution besides a vaccine. Everyone wants a way out of this pandemic. We just need to follow the scientific method which means testing via a rigorous process any way to mitigate this disease.

Are you saying that vaccines are the only solution that there is vehement opposition to? That seems counter intuitive. You are not making sense.

We need to follow the scientific method? Like the above links?

Maybe a better way to help out the conspiracy theorists is to ask why would anyone not want a way forward. Why did Donald's suggestions like drinking antiseptic not work ? Just think about it for a bit.

Were there peer reviewed published studies into drinking antiseptic?

 

[Spud_Murphy]

That’s the $60,000 question isn’t it. I really can’t understand why people are so opposed at even considering it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but I am becoming more and more bewildered by the vehement opposition to any other possible solution put forward besides a vaccine!

You aren't a conspiracy theorist but you believe in a conspiracy theory. Makes sense.

There is no vehement opposition to any solution besides a vaccine. Everyone wants a way out of this pandemic. We just need to follow the scientific method which means testing via a rigorous process any way to mitigate this disease.

Maybe a better way to help out the conspiracy theorists is to ask why would anyone not want a way forward. Why did Donald's suggestions like drinking antiseptic not work ? Just think about it for a bit.

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

*“*Marik and Kory say they're frustrated that their work is now being championed by the political right, and that it's become politicized at all. The group has had to distinguish itself from America's Frontline Doctors, which gained notoriety for its pro-Hydroxychloroquine (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is ineffective as has danger side-effects), anti-lockdown rhetoric last summer.

"This is not a political issue and it should never be," Marik said. "We are driven by the science and the data, not by politics or anything else."

"It angers me, when I hear that it's a conspiracy, that this virus doesn't exist, that there aren't that many deaths," he added. "You have to come to the ICU and see that people are dying to realize this is no hoax, this is real."

Marik finds it particularly disappointing that his work has been misinterpreted as potentially undermining vaccination.*

*“That's complete nonsense," he said. "I was vaccinated yesterday and I believe this is a bridge to vaccination," noting that slow vaccine roll-outs, vaccine hesitancy, and vaccine quality will likely mean the world will be dealing with COVID-19 for a long time to come.

"We need to do something in the meantime," he said.**


https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/90552

 

[Tiger5150]

That’s the $60,000 question isn’t it. I really can’t understand why people are so opposed at even considering it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but I am becoming more and more bewildered by the vehement opposition to any other possible solution put forward besides a vaccine!

You aren't a conspiracy theorist but you believe in a conspiracy theory. Makes sense.

There is no vehement opposition to any solution besides a vaccine. Everyone wants a way out of this pandemic. We just need to follow the scientific method which means testing via a rigorous process any way to mitigate this disease.

Maybe a better way to help out the conspiracy theorists is to ask why would anyone not want a way forward. Why did Donald's suggestions like drinking antiseptic not work ? Just think about it for a bit.


It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

*“*Marik and Kory say they're frustrated that their work is now being championed by the political right, and that it's become politicized at all. The group has had to distinguish itself from America's Frontline Doctors, which gained notoriety for its pro-Hydroxychloroquine (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is ineffective as has danger side-effects), anti-lockdown rhetoric last summer.

"This is not a political issue and it should never be," Marik said. "We are driven by the science and the data, not by politics or anything else."

"It angers me, when I hear that it's a conspiracy, that this virus doesn't exist, that there aren't that many deaths," he added. "You have to come to the ICU and see that people are dying to realize this is no hoax, this is real."

Marik finds it particularly disappointing that his work has been misinterpreted as potentially undermining vaccination.*

*“That's complete nonsense," he said. "I was vaccinated yesterday and I believe this is a bridge to vaccination," noting that slow vaccine roll-outs, vaccine hesitancy, and vaccine quality will likely mean the world will be dealing with COVID-19 for a long time to come.

"We need to do something in the meantime," he said.**


https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/90552

Exactly, the politicisation of every issue is maddening and crazy.

What the hell are you supposed to say to some poor person lying in a hospital about to be intubated? Im sorry mate, we have this completely safe drug that has been shown to be effective in peer reviewed studies, Im afraid it contradicts our narrative that masks and vaccines are the answer.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Ok so is it brown or rye over the 3 days? Is 2 ply tough enough or go the 4?

 

[earl]

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

That article isn't scientific. You have also not responded to my point. You aren't talking to the issue. No one is stopping any sort of forward movement in the treatment of this virus.

You believe that people are stopping a cure or a way forward. I do not believe this. All I am stating is that we need to follow the scientific method which means conducting robust testing and not just believing there is an easy solution with no proof.

Myself and I think most people in the world will accept any solution to COVID. Why do you believe people aren't willing to accept any solution to COVID. I'd like you to answer that question because that is what you are stating. Your premise is that a solution is not being considered when I'm stating any viable solution will be considered. Why do you believe your premise ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory - i.e. something you believe with no facts to back you up.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

That article isn't scientific. You have also not responded to my point. You aren't talking to the issue. No one is stopping any sort of forward movement in the treatment of this virus.

You believe that people are stopping a cure or a way forward. I do not believe this. All I am stating is that we need to follow the scientific method which means conducting robust testing and not just believing there is an easy solution with no proof.

Myself and I think most people in the world will accept any solution to COVID. Why do you believe people aren't willing to accept any solution to COVID. I'd like you to answer that question because that is what you are stating. Your premise is that a solution is not being considered when I'm stating any viable solution will be considered. Why do you believe your premise ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory - i.e. something you believe with no facts to back you up.

No it’s not a scientific article, but that wasn’t my point. You accused me of believing a conspiracy theory and here was the doctor, who’s theory I believe in, being quoted as saying how disappointed he was to have his work politicised and he be branded a conspiracy theorist when it just wasn’t true! Hence, I’m not believing a conspiracy theory, there is loads of research done on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and it’s positive effects on patients with Covid, if you care to look. How hard is that to understand?

My belief that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), as a possible solution, not (yet) being considered by the NIH still stands because well...up to the present day it hasn’t been! More to the point, I can’t understand why people, such as yourself, are so up in arms about me believing peer reviewed research that there might just be a better, cheaper and faster alternative to the vaccine in protecting us all against Covid. Anyone would think I just declared my allegiance to the Nazi Party or something!

 

[mike]

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

That article isn't scientific. You have also not responded to my point. You aren't talking to the issue. No one is stopping any sort of forward movement in the treatment of this virus.

You believe that people are stopping a cure or a way forward. I do not believe this. All I am stating is that we need to follow the scientific method which means conducting robust testing and not just believing there is an easy solution with no proof.

Myself and I think most people in the world will accept any solution to COVID. Why do you believe people aren't willing to accept any solution to COVID. I'd like you to answer that question because that is what you are stating. Your premise is that a solution is not being considered when I'm stating any viable solution will be considered. Why do you believe your premise ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory - i.e. something you believe with no facts to back you up.

No it’s not a scientific article, but that wasn’t my point. You accused me of believing a conspiracy theory and here was the doctor, who’s theory I believe in, being quoted as saying how disappointed he was to have his work politicised and he be branded a conspiracy theorist when it just wasn’t true! Hence, I’m not believing a conspiracy theory, there is loads of research done on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and it’s positive effects on patients with Covid, if you care to look. How hard is that to understand?

My belief that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), as a possible solution, not (yet) being considered by the NIH still stands because well...up to the present day it hasn’t been! More to the point, I can’t understand why people, such as yourself, are so up in arms about me believing peer reviewed research that there might just be a better, cheaper and faster alternative to the vaccine in protecting us all against Covid. Anyone would think I just declared my allegiance to the Nazi Party or something!

Point me to the peer reviewed research please. I’d be interested in reading the reviews.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

That article isn't scientific. You have also not responded to my point. You aren't talking to the issue. No one is stopping any sort of forward movement in the treatment of this virus.

You believe that people are stopping a cure or a way forward. I do not believe this. All I am stating is that we need to follow the scientific method which means conducting robust testing and not just believing there is an easy solution with no proof.

Myself and I think most people in the world will accept any solution to COVID. Why do you believe people aren't willing to accept any solution to COVID. I'd like you to answer that question because that is what you are stating. Your premise is that a solution is not being considered when I'm stating any viable solution will be considered. Why do you believe your premise ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory - i.e. something you believe with no facts to back you up.

No it’s not a scientific article, but that wasn’t my point. You accused me of believing a conspiracy theory and here was the doctor, who’s theory I believe in, being quoted as saying how disappointed he was to have his work politicised and he be branded a conspiracy theorist when it just wasn’t true! Hence, I’m not believing a conspiracy theory, there is loads of research done on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and it’s positive effects on patients with Covid, if you care to look. How hard is that to understand?

My belief that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), as a possible solution, not (yet) being considered by the NIH still stands because well...up to the present day it hasn’t been! More to the point, I can’t understand why people, such as yourself, are so up in arms about me believing peer reviewed research that there might just be a better, cheaper and faster alternative to the vaccine in protecting us all against Covid. Anyone would think I just declared my allegiance to the Nazi Party or something!

Point me to the peer reviewed research please. I’d be interested in reading the reviews.

Tiger5150 has already done that, but everyone has conveniently ignored his posts.