Coronavirus Outbreak

[mike]

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

That article isn't scientific. You have also not responded to my point. You aren't talking to the issue. No one is stopping any sort of forward movement in the treatment of this virus.

You believe that people are stopping a cure or a way forward. I do not believe this. All I am stating is that we need to follow the scientific method which means conducting robust testing and not just believing there is an easy solution with no proof.

Myself and I think most people in the world will accept any solution to COVID. Why do you believe people aren't willing to accept any solution to COVID. I'd like you to answer that question because that is what you are stating. Your premise is that a solution is not being considered when I'm stating any viable solution will be considered. Why do you believe your premise ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory - i.e. something you believe with no facts to back you up.

No it’s not a scientific article, but that wasn’t my point. You accused me of believing a conspiracy theory and here was the doctor, who’s theory I believe in, being quoted as saying how disappointed he was to have his work politicised and he be branded a conspiracy theorist when it just wasn’t true! Hence, I’m not believing a conspiracy theory, there is loads of research done on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and it’s positive effects on patients with Covid, if you care to look. How hard is that to understand?

My belief that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), as a possible solution, not (yet) being considered by the NIH still stands because well...up to the present day it hasn’t been! More to the point, I can’t understand why people, such as yourself, are so up in arms about me believing peer reviewed research that there might just be a better, cheaper and faster alternative to the vaccine in protecting us all against Covid. Anyone would think I just declared my allegiance to the Nazi Party or something!

Point me to the peer reviewed research please. I’d be interested in reading the reviews.

Tiger5150 has already done that, but everyone has conveniently ignored his posts.

Ah OK.

 

[Tiger5150]

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

That article isn't scientific. You have also not responded to my point. You aren't talking to the issue. No one is stopping any sort of forward movement in the treatment of this virus.

You believe that people are stopping a cure or a way forward. I do not believe this. All I am stating is that we need to follow the scientific method which means conducting robust testing and not just believing there is an easy solution with no proof.

Myself and I think most people in the world will accept any solution to COVID. Why do you believe people aren't willing to accept any solution to COVID. I'd like you to answer that question because that is what you are stating. Your premise is that a solution is not being considered when I'm stating any viable solution will be considered. Why do you believe your premise ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory - i.e. something you believe with no facts to back you up.

No it’s not a scientific article, but that wasn’t my point. You accused me of believing a conspiracy theory and here was the doctor, who’s theory I believe in, being quoted as saying how disappointed he was to have his work politicised and he be branded a conspiracy theorist when it just wasn’t true! Hence, I’m not believing a conspiracy theory, there is loads of research done on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and it’s positive effects on patients with Covid, if you care to look. How hard is that to understand?

My belief that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), as a possible solution, not (yet) being considered by the NIH still stands because well...up to the present day it hasn’t been! More to the point, I can’t understand why people, such as yourself, are so up in arms about me believing peer reviewed research that there might just be a better, cheaper and faster alternative to the vaccine in protecting us all against Covid. Anyone would think I just declared my allegiance to the Nazi Party or something!

Point me to the peer reviewed research please. I’d be interested in reading the reviews.

Tiger5150 has already done that, but everyone has conveniently ignored his posts.

Oh thank God, I thought I was invisible.

Here is a great summary site, built by scientists.

https://trialsitenews.com/category/Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)/

 

[earl]

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

That article isn't scientific. You have also not responded to my point. You aren't talking to the issue. No one is stopping any sort of forward movement in the treatment of this virus.

You believe that people are stopping a cure or a way forward. I do not believe this. All I am stating is that we need to follow the scientific method which means conducting robust testing and not just believing there is an easy solution with no proof.

Myself and I think most people in the world will accept any solution to COVID. Why do you believe people aren't willing to accept any solution to COVID. I'd like you to answer that question because that is what you are stating. Your premise is that a solution is not being considered when I'm stating any viable solution will be considered. Why do you believe your premise ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory - i.e. something you believe with no facts to back you up.

No it’s not a scientific article, but that wasn’t my point. You accused me of believing a conspiracy theory and here was the doctor, who’s theory I believe in, being quoted as saying how disappointed he was to have his work politicised and he be branded a conspiracy theorist when it just wasn’t true! Hence, I’m not believing a conspiracy theory, there is loads of research done on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and it’s positive effects on patients with Covid, if you care to look. How hard is that to understand?

My belief that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), as a possible solution, not (yet) being considered by the NIH still stands because well...up to the present day it hasn’t been! More to the point, I can’t understand why people, such as yourself, are so up in arms about me believing peer reviewed research that there might just be a better, cheaper and faster alternative to the vaccine in protecting us all against Covid. Anyone would think I just declared my allegiance to the Nazi Party or something!

Point me to the peer reviewed research please. I’d be interested in reading the reviews.

Tiger5150 has already done that, but everyone has conveniently ignored his posts.

You aren't getting it. The testing didn't pass acceptable limits.

I'll try and explain this to you. They try and have rigorous standards and still heaps of poor science occurs. That is the nature of science. When it's clearly poor - i.e. they don't have control groups or anything like that and it's been rejected as being poor science it is not a good idea to make out that it is somehow good science. That was not a study that met acceptable standards and stuff that meets acceptable standards can be wrong.

 

[earl]

You accused me of believing a conspiracy theory and here was the doctor, who’s theory I believe in, being quoted as saying how disappointed he was to have his work politicised and he be branded a conspiracy theorist when it just wasn’t true!

The study didn't pass acceptable standards. You are casting shade on that process when you shouldn't. It's a conspiracy theory.

We have to have some way to judge studies that have been completed. That paper didn't pass those standards. The kicker is that stuff that passes standards is often wrong. Why would you trust something that was not even meeting those standards.

 

[earl]

My belief that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), as a possible solution, not (yet) being considered by the NIH still stands because well…up to the present day it hasn’t been! More to the point, I can’t understand why people, such as yourself, are so up in arms about me believing peer reviewed research that there might just be a better, cheaper and faster alternative to the vaccine in protecting us all against Covid. Anyone would think I just declared my allegiance to the Nazi Party or something!

This is how conspiracy theories occur. You have a belief. You look for research to confirm that belief.

It should work like this:-

1. You have a premise.
2. You test that premise via the scientific method.
3. You can then draw conclusions from the data.

Your belief hasn't passed step 2. Therefore your belief may as well be a fantasy novel.

Go and do step 2 and then come back to us.

Like I just said stuff passes all those points and it is still a failure in reality. Why go for something that doesn't pass step 2.

This is how conspiracy theories start. You need to have higher standards in evaluating your own beliefs.

 

[Tiger5150]

It’s not a conspiracy theory mate.

That article isn't scientific. You have also not responded to my point. You aren't talking to the issue. No one is stopping any sort of forward movement in the treatment of this virus.

You believe that people are stopping a cure or a way forward. I do not believe this. All I am stating is that we need to follow the scientific method which means conducting robust testing and not just believing there is an easy solution with no proof.

Myself and I think most people in the world will accept any solution to COVID. Why do you believe people aren't willing to accept any solution to COVID. I'd like you to answer that question because that is what you are stating. Your premise is that a solution is not being considered when I'm stating any viable solution will be considered. Why do you believe your premise ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory - i.e. something you believe with no facts to back you up.

No it’s not a scientific article, but that wasn’t my point. You accused me of believing a conspiracy theory and here was the doctor, who’s theory I believe in, being quoted as saying how disappointed he was to have his work politicised and he be branded a conspiracy theorist when it just wasn’t true! Hence, I’m not believing a conspiracy theory, there is loads of research done on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and it’s positive effects on patients with Covid, if you care to look. How hard is that to understand?

My belief that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), as a possible solution, not (yet) being considered by the NIH still stands because well...up to the present day it hasn’t been! More to the point, I can’t understand why people, such as yourself, are so up in arms about me believing peer reviewed research that there might just be a better, cheaper and faster alternative to the vaccine in protecting us all against Covid. Anyone would think I just declared my allegiance to the Nazi Party or something!

Point me to the peer reviewed research please. I’d be interested in reading the reviews.

Tiger5150 has already done that, but everyone has conveniently ignored his posts.

You aren't getting it. The testing didn't pass acceptable limits.

I'll try and explain this to you. They try and have rigorous standards and still heaps of poor science occurs. That is the nature of science. When it's clearly poor - i.e. they don't have control groups or anything like that and it's been rejected as being poor science it is not a good idea to make out that it is somehow good science. That was not a study that met acceptable standards and stuff that meets acceptable standards can be wrong.

Which study are you referring to? Which of the articles and studies I posted didn’t pass?

 

[diedpretty]

Yada yada yada - is there still toilet paper available

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I found it interesting the advice from Kerry Chant that the family of 4 from South Africa with the SA strain of the virus are in the special Covid hospital. All paasengers on that flight are also in the Covid hospital as a precaution. Singapore Airlines have been notified to test and isolate the flight crew.

How can this possibly be sustained?

 

[mikey]

Brisbane locked down for 3 days because of 1 case of the new mutant super Coronavirus. Time to shut the borders.

lock Queensland out Gladys

Please Roadblocks now. No fights from QLD allowed.

our Hospitals are for Queenslanders.... NSW residents have nsw hospitals

hard to believe she got voted back in

Now Queenslanders will see if she has the right stuff .. hope she has !

Because Gladys is just killing it ...you worry about your Premier let us worry about our Premier

They don't have a premier - they have Scomo's puppet. All she's interested in is the grubby cash, having relationships with other corrupt politicians, protecting business interests, pork-barelling without any accountability, and whinging about others who don't do what she wants.
I am from NSW but live in QLD - 1,000,000 percent Ana has done a better job than Berejokelian.

 

[innsaneink]

These state divisions are worrying, it's reminding me of somewhere else recently we've all had rammed into our eyes and ears, and most of us have been critical of

 

[mike]

Brisbane locked down for 3 days because of 1 case of the new mutant super Coronavirus. Time to shut the borders.

lock Queensland out Gladys

Please Roadblocks now. No fights from QLD allowed.

our Hospitals are for Queenslanders.... NSW residents have nsw hospitals

hard to believe she got voted back in

Now Queenslanders will see if she has the right stuff .. hope she has !

Because Gladys is just killing it ...you worry about your Premier let us worry about our Premier

They don't have a premier - they have Scomo's puppet. All she's interested in is the grubby cash, having relationships with other corrupt politicians, protecting business interests, pork-barelling without andy accountability, and whinging about others who don't do what she wants.
I am from NSW but live in QLD - 1,000,000 percent Ana has done a better job than Berejokelian.

Yeah, no.. Annastacia Moneyszczuk only has a sledgehammer in the toolbox, which of course can be circumvented if you are rich or will bring money into Queensland (the disgusting AFL debacle). Queensland is surviving on handouts that will end soon. It is a basket case and unnecessary so. Perimeter defences will be breached and at an increasing rate. The poor systems in Queensland for contact tracing, dept of health and the total disregard by its citizens of the health of others, as could be seen by the mass exodus of greater Brisbane before the 6pm deadline, show the real disregard to the overall well being of Queenslanders.

 

[mike]

These state divisions are worrying, it's reminding me of somewhere else recently we've all had rammed into our eyes and ears, and most of us have been critical of

We haven’t been Australia since about May 2020. The Federation has failed at one of its most critical times. We are indeed just six states and two territories very loosely aligned and in a most superficial way it seems.

 

[jadtiger]

These state divisions are worrying, it's reminding me of somewhere else recently we've all had rammed into our eyes and ears, and most of us have been critical of

We haven’t been Australia since about May 2020. The Federation has failed at one of its most critical times. We are indeed just six states and two territories very loosely aligned and in a most superficial way it seems.

Unfortunately you are right and you cant expect any leadership from Scamo, at the moment things are so bad it looks like Craig Kelly is the spokesman for the government.

 

[mikey]

Brisbane locked down for 3 days because of 1 case of the new mutant super Coronavirus. Time to shut the borders.

lock Queensland out Gladys

Please Roadblocks now. No fights from QLD allowed.

our Hospitals are for Queenslanders.... NSW residents have nsw hospitals

hard to believe she got voted back in

Now Queenslanders will see if she has the right stuff .. hope she has !

Because Gladys is just killing it ...you worry about your Premier let us worry about our Premier

They don't have a premier - they have Scomo's puppet. All she's interested in is the grubby cash, having relationships with other corrupt politicians, protecting business interests, pork-barelling without andy accountability, and whinging about others who don't do what she wants.
I am from NSW but live in QLD - 1,000,000 percent Ana has done a better job than Berejokelian.

Yeah, no.. Annastacia Moneyszczuk only has a sledgehammer in the toolbox, which of course can be circumvented if you are rich or will bring money into Queensland (the disgusting AFL debacle). Queensland is surviving on handouts that will end soon. It is a basket case and unnecessary so. Perimeter defences will be breached and at an increasing rate. The poor systems in Queensland for contact tracing, dept of health and the total disregard by its citizens of the health of others, as could be seen by the mass exodus of greater Brisbane before the 6pm deadline, show the real disregard to the overall well being of Queenslanders.

Thought a sensitive NSWelshman might respond (as I usually do when QLDers give it to me).
1. has a sledgehammer in the toolbox - in what respect - please explain 🙂 - to echo the words of one of the most disgusting QLDers to exist. Rules are rules - QLD has been greatly consistent and 99 per cent of people here on both sides of the political fence think the state has done a great job.
Reflect on NSW - letting Victorians in to spread COVID-19 was the way to go when it was clear that it was out of control?
2. if you are rich or will bring money into Queensland (the disgusting AFL debacle). Hmm - no other states bid for the AFl or let the moneyed in? - methinks they are all guilty. Why was it a debacle - once again rules are rules - they were clear from the go-get.
If you want to talk moneygrubbers - take Scotty from Marketing - Matthias - just use a govt jet for 5 - 6 weeks at $4,500 per hour so you can get a job. Berejokelian - don't close the borders - it's only a little outbreak - you'll affect businesses.
3. Queensland is surviving on handouts that will end soon - Pauline speaks up again - please explain.
4. The poor systems in Queensland for contact tracing, dept of health - wow, the blinkers are on. QLD has had the lowest spread of COVID of any eastern seaboard state and is on par with any other state. You may have too much rubbish, or should I say sick people, in your own backyard to see over that though.
5. total disregard by its citizens of the health of others, as could be seen by the mass exodus of greater Brisbane before the 6pm deadline - cough, never happened in Victoria or NSW - take your NSW goggles off. Some people are self-serving no matter where they live.
You may also wish to consider that the Bruce Highway is one of the major routes that people use to commute to work - probably 70 per cent of the traffic was people going home. It's a crowded roas almost every day of the week - just like every road in the cesspit Sydney is (and I was born there so know it well). See a media beat up for what it is.

 

[mike]

Brisbane locked down for 3 days because of 1 case of the new mutant super Coronavirus. Time to shut the borders.

lock Queensland out Gladys

Please Roadblocks now. No fights from QLD allowed.

our Hospitals are for Queenslanders.... NSW residents have nsw hospitals

hard to believe she got voted back in

Now Queenslanders will see if she has the right stuff .. hope she has !

Because Gladys is just killing it ...you worry about your Premier let us worry about our Premier

They don't have a premier - they have Scomo's puppet. All she's interested in is the grubby cash, having relationships with other corrupt politicians, protecting business interests, pork-barelling without andy accountability, and whinging about others who don't do what she wants.
I am from NSW but live in QLD - 1,000,000 percent Ana has done a better job than Berejokelian.

Yeah, no.. Annastacia Moneyszczuk only has a sledgehammer in the toolbox, which of course can be circumvented if you are rich or will bring money into Queensland (the disgusting AFL debacle). Queensland is surviving on handouts that will end soon. It is a basket case and unnecessary so. Perimeter defences will be breached and at an increasing rate. The poor systems in Queensland for contact tracing, dept of health and the total disregard by its citizens of the health of others, as could be seen by the mass exodus of greater Brisbane before the 6pm deadline, show the real disregard to the overall well being of Queenslanders.

Thought a sensitive NSWelshman might respond (as I usually do when QLDers give it to me).
1. has a sledgehammer in the toolbox - in what respect - please explain 🙂 - to echo the words of one of the most disgusting QLDers to exist. Rules are rules - QLD has been greatly consistent and 99 per cent of people here on both sides of the political fence think the state has done a great job.
Reflect on NSW - letting Victorians in to spread COVID-19 was the way to go when it was clear that it was out of control?
2. if you are rich or will bring money into Queensland (the disgusting AFL debacle). Hmm - no other states bid for the AFl or let the moneyed in? - methinks they are all guilty. Why was it a debacle - once again rules are rules - they were clear from the go-get.
If you want to talk moneygrubbers - take Scotty from Marketing - Matthias - just use a govt jet for 5 - 6 weeks at $4,500 per hour so you can get a job. Berejokelian - don't close the borders - it's only a little outbreak - you'll affect businesses.
3. Queensland is surviving on handouts that will end soon - Pauline speaks up again - please explain.
4. The poor systems in Queensland for contact tracing, dept of health - wow, the blinkers are on. QLD has had the lowest spread of COVID of any eastern seaboard state and is on par with any other state. You may have too much rubbish, or should I say sick people, in your own backyard to see over that though.
5. total disregard by its citizens of the health of others, as could be seen by the mass exodus of greater Brisbane before the 6pm deadline - cough, never happened in Victoria or NSW - take your NSW goggles off. Some people are self-serving no matter where they live.
You may also wish to consider that the Bruce Highway is one of the major routes that people use to commute to work - probably 70 per cent of the traffic was people going home. It's a crowded roas almost every day of the week - just like every road in the cesspit Sydney is (and I was born there so know it well). See a media beat up for what it is.

1 & 4. Poor contract racing and testing resumes and a week health dept means the only response Queensland can do it shut everything down. The sledgehammer.
2) Yes the rich and AFL debacle of these entitled freely moving around in luxury hotels while dying Queenslanders are stuck in the hotel rooms.
3) Jobkeeper is keeping Queensland afloat. It will end soon. Moneycheck has destroyed the Queensland economy with unnecessary border closures.
5) Its a joke they have locked down the Greater Brisbane area, while a huge amount of it citizens escaped, they were not going home.

The Queensland response to Covid19 has been extremely poor throughout the pandemic. Take your blinkers off and see it for what it is, a sponging, hypocritical state bludging off the economies that have keep going throughout the pandemic while keeping any outbreak under control using a specific targeted response to any outbreak.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The company insolvency protection ended on 31/12. The true impact to the economy from slamming the borders shut will be felt then. Jobkeeper ending will be felt most keenly in Qld and Vic with the highest unemployment in Aust. Over 40% of new jobs created in Aust in the last FY were in NSW.

 

[Telltails]

The politicising of the Covid management by politicians is so disappointing and none of us should be engaging in it regardless of which state we live in. We all want the same outcome despite how we are directed by our individual state leaders. We are lucky that we have Australians working their butts off across the country in the forefront to keep us safe and we should all be grateful for that.

 

[jadtiger]

The politicising of the Covid management by politicians is so disappointing and none of us should be engaging in it regardless of which state we live in. We all want the same outcome despite how we are directed by our individual state leaders. We are lucky that we have Australians working their butts off across the country in the forefront to keep us safe and we should all be grateful for that.

I completely agree however our federal government needs to show leadership and that is sadly lacking.Leaving it to the states is not the way to go imho

 

[mike]

The politicising of the Covid management by politicians is so disappointing and none of us should be engaging in it regardless of which state we live in. We all want the same outcome despite how we are directed by our individual state leaders. We are lucky that we have Australians working their butts off across the country in the forefront to keep us safe and we should all be grateful for that.

Until we have a unified approach to handling Covid19 across all of Australia it can only be politicised.

 

[mikey]

1 & 4. Poor contract racing and testing resumes and a week health dept means the only response Queensland can do it shut everything down. The sledgehammer.
Really? Compared to which state or system? Stats?
2) Yes the rich and AFL debacle of these entitled freely moving around in luxury hotels while dying Queenslanders are stuck in the hotel rooms.
Liberal biased press has you hook, line and brainwashing. Don't tell me the cricket teams that are currently in NSW don't have similiar fredom. Also, wjhy is it India is jacking up re restricions in QLD? Mght be because they are more stringent than the gunho NSW ones - dollar uber alles!

3) Jobkeeper is keeping Queensland afloat. It will end soon. Moneycheck has destroyed the Queensland economy with unnecessary border closures.
JobKeeper is creating a false sense of security in all states. It's discriminatory against certain industry sectors, company size and the unemployed who have lost their jobs because of COVID-19. Classic Liberal Lifters vs Leaners rhetoris and discrimination.
Wait until the Liberals pull it from under the feet of eveyone and see how we go across the country.
Further, like any other state QLDers are spending their holidays in their stae and supporting their economies - once again, the money-grubbers are the ones complaining about losses while they gouge as much as they can.
5) Its a joke they have locked down the Greater Brisbane area, while a huge amount of it citizens escaped, they were not going home.
99.9 pecent of people I know are going nowhere. Take your NSW glasses off, you've fallen for the rhetoric and sensationalist press.

The Queensland response to Covid19 has been extremely poor throughout the pandemic.
Really? The stats may tell you otherwise - you're bailing a sinking ship.
Sats from a simple search - first number cases/ second recovered/ third deaths - methinks one state may be a little ahead of the other two above it (yes, higher numbers than others - but put this in perspective to your argument):
Victoria
20,403
19,544
820
New South Wales
4,995
3,211
54
Queensland
1,274
1,239
6
Western Australia
874
847
9
South Australia
585
569
4
Tasmania
234
221
13
Australian Capital Territory
118
115
3
Northern Territory
88
71
0

Other states - keeping any outbreak under control using a specific targeted response to any outbreak.
QLD has adjusted as needed. QLD border restrictions changed plenty over time; contact tracing evolved as needed. Put this lockdown into place immediately as need was urgent with the Pommy strain - blanket approach and no change, really?

QLD, like any state, has its many faults - over reliance on coal and minerals, for example, but having moved here out of economic need 20 odd years ago from NSW and having lived in Sydney and the Gong most of my life I can 100 percent state I have found it a great place to live - people are friendly, the lifestyle more laidback, education system was fantastic for my kids, people covered automatically for ambulance (through their water rates), traffic in Brisbane less crowded in general just to name a few.
I intend to move back to NSW next year to retire but that won't happen if NSW doesn't get its act together and start thinking of its people more than the money.