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@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310637) said:
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310620) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306271) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306269) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306265) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306263) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306260) said:
Terrible news 5150...heartbreaking.
Whaddya do?
Can't do anything.
Deal with as best we can. Look out for each other... Talk about it, share the load, show compassion and care


Yep, we had his wife and kids over for dinner...she has just started full time work, her youngest is in Y5. Her oldest in Y12, studying, holding down 2 jobs including doing his dads job to keep the family business going. No one has done anything wrong but there is a hard road ahead for everyone.

Mate good on for you reaching out, now is a time when people need to be supporting each other. It is amazing what a little act of kindness can do for someone that is struggling.


Mate its not a big deal for me, we love em and would have them over any time.

Exactly mate, may not seem like a big deal to you but I bet it meant a lot to them. People sometimes forget how even a small act like sharing a dinner can improve other people's mental health.


Italy has blocked supply of 250k AZ vacines to Australia (BBC website).Not a good result for us.


Well luckily for us that is the vaccine we have the license to make here in Aus, so we better get cracking. In theory we will be nearly self sufficient with vaccines.

We do have the licence but not a lot of action.This should have been fast tracked by our government when other countires started to produce it.
 
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1305144) said:
My missus mum passed away in Philippines yesterday.
It's been more than 2 years since she'd seen her last.
We would've visited at least once certainly... probably twice between now and their last time together except for covid.
They won't get to the funeral.
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@magpies1963 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310691) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1305144) said:
My missus mum passed away in Philippines yesterday.
It's been more than 2 years since she'd seen her last.
We would've visited at least once certainly... probably twice between now and their last time together except for covid.
They won't get to the funeral.


thanks mate
 
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310620) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306271) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306269) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306265) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306263) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306260) said:
Terrible news 5150...heartbreaking.
Whaddya do?
Can't do anything.
Deal with as best we can. Look out for each other... Talk about it, share the load, show compassion and care


Yep, we had his wife and kids over for dinner...she has just started full time work, her youngest is in Y5. Her oldest in Y12, studying, holding down 2 jobs including doing his dads job to keep the family business going. No one has done anything wrong but there is a hard road ahead for everyone.

Mate good on for you reaching out, now is a time when people need to be supporting each other. It is amazing what a little act of kindness can do for someone that is struggling.


Mate its not a big deal for me, we love em and would have them over any time.

Exactly mate, may not seem like a big deal to you but I bet it meant a lot to them. People sometimes forget how even a small act like sharing a dinner can improve other people's mental health.


Italy has blocked supply of 250k AZ vacines to Australia (BBC website).Not a good result for us.


Not really a major problem for us. We can wait until local production ramps up. Europe needs it more than we do at the moment.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310718) said:
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310620) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306271) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306269) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306265) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306263) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306260) said:
Terrible news 5150...heartbreaking.
Whaddya do?
Can't do anything.
Deal with as best we can. Look out for each other... Talk about it, share the load, show compassion and care


Yep, we had his wife and kids over for dinner...she has just started full time work, her youngest is in Y5. Her oldest in Y12, studying, holding down 2 jobs including doing his dads job to keep the family business going. No one has done anything wrong but there is a hard road ahead for everyone.

Mate good on for you reaching out, now is a time when people need to be supporting each other. It is amazing what a little act of kindness can do for someone that is struggling.


Mate its not a big deal for me, we love em and would have them over any time.

Exactly mate, may not seem like a big deal to you but I bet it meant a lot to them. People sometimes forget how even a small act like sharing a dinner can improve other people's mental health.


Italy has blocked supply of 250k AZ vacines to Australia (BBC website).Not a good result for us.


Not really a major problem for us. We can wait until local production ramps up. Europe need it more than we do at the moment.


In theory you are right but it does not take long to get out of control as we have seen so often elsewhere.A 250k shortage of vacines means the roll out will take even longer and the government wasnt expecting it to be finalised until the end of October before the delay.
Any and all delays are a potential problem.
 
Happy for the Italian community to vaccinate another quarter million of their people before us by withholding that shipment, as I would be for any similarly affected nation

Good to see the numbers stabilising in many countries and some going well with vaccines. Then you have a state like Texas that has just instantly fully opened up and gotten rid of masks to spin the roulette wheel, when waiting another few weeks and then gradually lifting restrictions would likely save thousands of lives.
 
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310726) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310718) said:
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310620) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306271) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306269) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306265) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306263) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1306260) said:
Terrible news 5150...heartbreaking.
Whaddya do?
Can't do anything.
Deal with as best we can. Look out for each other... Talk about it, share the load, show compassion and care


Yep, we had his wife and kids over for dinner...she has just started full time work, her youngest is in Y5. Her oldest in Y12, studying, holding down 2 jobs including doing his dads job to keep the family business going. No one has done anything wrong but there is a hard road ahead for everyone.

Mate good on for you reaching out, now is a time when people need to be supporting each other. It is amazing what a little act of kindness can do for someone that is struggling.


Mate its not a big deal for me, we love em and would have them over any time.

Exactly mate, may not seem like a big deal to you but I bet it meant a lot to them. People sometimes forget how even a small act like sharing a dinner can improve other people's mental health.


Italy has blocked supply of 250k AZ vacines to Australia (BBC website).Not a good result for us.


Not really a major problem for us. We can wait until local production ramps up. Europe need it more than we do at the moment.


In theory you are right but it does not take long to get out of control as we have seen so often elsewhere.A 250k shortage of vacines means the roll out will take even longer and the government wasnt expecting it to be finalised until the end of October before the delay.
***Any and all delays are a potential problem.***

Actually any delay in Australia is not a problem. Effectively we dont have COVID here in Australia. Yes we need to get vaccinated because as soon as possible we need to re-open to the world and we need to remove the risk posed by hotel quarantine leaks.

It is actually in Australias interest for the rest of the world to expedite their vaccine roll out to minimise the risk of it coming in and to enable us to roll the welcome mat out as early as possible.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310729) said:
Happy for the Italian community to vaccinate another quarter million of their people before us by withholding that shipment, as I would be for any similarly affected nation

Good to see the numbers stabilising in many countries and some going well with vaccines. Then you have a state like Texas that has just instantly fully opened up and gotten rid of masks to spin the roulette wheel, when waiting another few weeks and then gradually lifting restrictions would likely save thousands of lives.


Biden was correct in using the term "Neanderthal" in regards to the Texas decision in regards to face masks.First they couldnt keep their people alive or with water during the Texas power failure and now this.
 
Better late than never, though good to see the federal government expanding the potentially safer returning traveller program in NT by a thousand places.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310729) said:
Happy for the Italian community to vaccinate another quarter million of their people before us by withholding that shipment, as I would be for any similarly affected nation

Good to see the numbers stabilising in many countries and some going well with vaccines. Then you have a state like Texas that has just instantly fully opened up and gotten rid of masks to spin the roulette wheel, when waiting another few weeks and then gradually lifting restrictions would likely save thousands of lives.


Politics aside, it poses an interesting question. COVID has ripped through the US for about a year now, long enough for a fair bit of data to settle.

New York and California have pretty much locked down the entire time, whilst Texas and Florida have taken very different approaches with more open and limited lockdowns. (I realise its not possible to extract the politics Dem v R and this is also probably the background to the different approaches). My point being that despite the very different approaches, there is not much difference in outcome with the very obvious exception of NY deaths per 1M (thank you Mr Coumo).

Cases per 1M
California 90805
NY 87865
Florida 89871
Texas 92667

Deaths per 1M
California 1353
NY 2483
Florida 1462
Texas 1552
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310739) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310729) said:
Happy for the Italian community to vaccinate another quarter million of their people before us by withholding that shipment, as I would be for any similarly affected nation

Good to see the numbers stabilising in many countries and some going well with vaccines. Then you have a state like Texas that has just instantly fully opened up and gotten rid of masks to spin the roulette wheel, when waiting another few weeks and then gradually lifting restrictions would likely save thousands of lives.


Politics aside, it poses an interesting question. COVID has ripped through the US for about a year now, long enough for a fair bit of data to settle.

New York and California have pretty much locked down the entire time, whilst Texas and Florida have taken very different approaches with more open and limited lockdowns. (I realise its not possible to extract the politics Dem v R and this is also probably the background to the different approaches). My point being that despite the very different approaches, there is not much difference in outcome with the very obvious exception of NY deaths per 1M (thank you Mr Coumo).

Cases per 1M
California 90805
NY 87865
Florida 89871
Texas 92667

Deaths per 1M
California 1353
NY 2483
Florida 1462
Texas 1552

There are a lot of variables that need to be taken into consideration in getting to those numbers. With New York and surrounds, regardless of anything, I allow them similar though slightly less leeway to northern Italy and Spain in the initial wave.

Still, apart from the former administration, the sparse Dakota's and the like are probably the greatest failures of government in my eyes.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310750) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310739) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310729) said:
Happy for the Italian community to vaccinate another quarter million of their people before us by withholding that shipment, as I would be for any similarly affected nation

Good to see the numbers stabilising in many countries and some going well with vaccines. Then you have a state like Texas that has just instantly fully opened up and gotten rid of masks to spin the roulette wheel, when waiting another few weeks and then gradually lifting restrictions would likely save thousands of lives.


Politics aside, it poses an interesting question. COVID has ripped through the US for about a year now, long enough for a fair bit of data to settle.

New York and California have pretty much locked down the entire time, whilst Texas and Florida have taken very different approaches with more open and limited lockdowns. (I realise its not possible to extract the politics Dem v R and this is also probably the background to the different approaches). My point being that despite the very different approaches, there is not much difference in outcome with the very obvious exception of NY deaths per 1M (thank you Mr Coumo).

Cases per 1M
California 90805
NY 87865
Florida 89871
Texas 92667

Deaths per 1M
California 1353
NY 2483
Florida 1462
Texas 1552

There are a lot of variables that need to be taken into consideration in getting to those numbers. With New York and surrounds, regardless of anything, I allow them similar though slightly less leeway to northern Italy and Spain in the initial wave.

Still, apart from the former administration, the sparse Dakota's and the like are probably the greatest failures of government in my eyes.


When you look at the Dakotas, Arizona, Alabama etc, their numbers are significantly worse than the rest of the US. Purely speculation on my part but I would think its likely that this is a socio economic outcome rather than population density outcome with these states significantly poorer than Ca/NY/Tx/Fl and people having less access to health care, needing to work etc.

I lumped the four of Ca/NY/Tx/Fl together as they have pretty comparable socio economics and comparable parameters. NY is obviously one of the most densely populated places in the world and yet its cases per 1M is comparable with Texas. Florida has the second oldest population in the US and yet has comparable deaths per 1M as Cali (one of the youngest).

Im genuinely not making a political statement at all here, merely pointing out that after a year, we should be able to look at the US as some sort of virological petri dish and see what is working and not working. I dont see clear cut evidence that the harsh lockdowns of Ca and NY had significantly better outcomes than Fl & Tx, older population of Fl fared comparably with Ca for deaths per 1M, and much better than NY.

Interesting to try to parse what we can learn. I would have expected with such widely different approaches to see clearer lessons to be learned, such as say Denmark v Sweden. Maybe interstate travel has blurred lines?
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310753) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310750) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310739) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310729) said:
Happy for the Italian community to vaccinate another quarter million of their people before us by withholding that shipment, as I would be for any similarly affected nation

Good to see the numbers stabilising in many countries and some going well with vaccines. Then you have a state like Texas that has just instantly fully opened up and gotten rid of masks to spin the roulette wheel, when waiting another few weeks and then gradually lifting restrictions would likely save thousands of lives.


Politics aside, it poses an interesting question. COVID has ripped through the US for about a year now, long enough for a fair bit of data to settle.

New York and California have pretty much locked down the entire time, whilst Texas and Florida have taken very different approaches with more open and limited lockdowns. (I realise its not possible to extract the politics Dem v R and this is also probably the background to the different approaches). My point being that despite the very different approaches, there is not much difference in outcome with the very obvious exception of NY deaths per 1M (thank you Mr Coumo).

Cases per 1M
California 90805
NY 87865
Florida 89871
Texas 92667

Deaths per 1M
California 1353
NY 2483
Florida 1462
Texas 1552

There are a lot of variables that need to be taken into consideration in getting to those numbers. With New York and surrounds, regardless of anything, I allow them similar though slightly less leeway to northern Italy and Spain in the initial wave.

Still, apart from the former administration, the sparse Dakota's and the like are probably the greatest failures of government in my eyes.


When you look at the Dakotas, Arizona, Alabama etc, their numbers are significantly worse than the rest of the US. Purely speculation on my part but I would think its likely that this is a socio economic outcome rather than population density outcome with these states significantly poorer than Ca/NY/Tx/Fl and people having less access to health care, needing to work etc.

I lumped the four of Ca/NY/Tx/Fl together as they have pretty comparable socio economics and comparable parameters. NY is obviously one of the most densely populated places in the world and yet its cases per 1M is comparable with Texas. Florida has the second oldest population in the US and yet has comparable deaths per 1M as Cali (one of the youngest).

Im genuinely not making a political statement at all here, merely pointing out that after a year, we should be able to look at the US as some sort of virological petri dish and see what is working and not working. I dont see clear cut evidence that the harsh lockdowns of Ca and NY had significantly better outcomes than Fl & Tx, older population of Fl fared comparably with Ca for deaths per 1M, and much better than NY.

Interesting to try to parse what we can learn. I would have expected with such widely different approaches to see clearer lessons to be learned, such as say Denmark v Sweden. Maybe interstate travel has blurred lines?

Yeah, all considerations, though there are big disparities in the geographic and economic situations, plus death figures amongst the minority groups in those south-east states. Though they are not alone there.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310739) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310729) said:
Happy for the Italian community to vaccinate another quarter million of their people before us by withholding that shipment, as I would be for any similarly affected nation

Good to see the numbers stabilising in many countries and some going well with vaccines. Then you have a state like Texas that has just instantly fully opened up and gotten rid of masks to spin the roulette wheel, when waiting another few weeks and then gradually lifting restrictions would likely save thousands of lives.


Politics aside, it poses an interesting question. COVID has ripped through the US for about a year now, long enough for a fair bit of data to settle.

New York and California have pretty much locked down the entire time, whilst Texas and Florida have taken very different approaches with more open and limited lockdowns. (I realise its not possible to extract the politics Dem v R and this is also probably the background to the different approaches). My point being that despite the very different approaches, there is not much difference in outcome with the very obvious exception of NY deaths per 1M (thank you Mr Coumo).

Cases per 1M
California 90805
NY 87865
Florida 89871
Texas 92667

Deaths per 1M
California 1353
NY 2483
Florida 1462
Texas 1552

All that says to me is larger states with higher concentrations of the population are going to be more at risk irrespective of political leaning, especially when the US is very much renowned for personal freedom.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310885) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310739) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1310729) said:
Happy for the Italian community to vaccinate another quarter million of their people before us by withholding that shipment, as I would be for any similarly affected nation

Good to see the numbers stabilising in many countries and some going well with vaccines. Then you have a state like Texas that has just instantly fully opened up and gotten rid of masks to spin the roulette wheel, when waiting another few weeks and then gradually lifting restrictions would likely save thousands of lives.


Politics aside, it poses an interesting question. COVID has ripped through the US for about a year now, long enough for a fair bit of data to settle.

New York and California have pretty much locked down the entire time, whilst Texas and Florida have taken very different approaches with more open and limited lockdowns. (I realise its not possible to extract the politics Dem v R and this is also probably the background to the different approaches). My point being that despite the very different approaches, there is not much difference in outcome with the very obvious exception of NY deaths per 1M (thank you Mr Coumo).

Cases per 1M
California 90805
NY 87865
Florida 89871
Texas 92667

Deaths per 1M
California 1353
NY 2483
Florida 1462
Texas 1552

All that says to me is larger states with higher concentrations of the population are going to be more at risk irrespective of political leaning, especially when the US is very much renowned for personal freedom.


Cali/NY/Tx/Fl all around 90K cases per 1M

The worst states for cases per 1M are

North Dakota 131K
South Dakota 127K
Rhode Island 120K
Utah 116K
Iowa 116K
Tennessee 114K
Arizona 113K
Oklahoma 108K
Arkansas 107K

I dont think it is population density, as the worst states have probably the lowest. I think its socio-economic
 
Imagine what a drama it would be trying to deal with 50 states when we have enough dramas dealing with 6 states and 2 territories all wanting to do their own thing.

Or should that be 5 states, 2 territories and Western Australia.
 
A Brisbane doctor treating patients in a Covid ward, has tested positive yesterday.

Cancel all flights to Queensland , lockdown Brisbane and shut the borders to NSW now!!!!

Oh wait, there is no election imminent in Queensland, belay that, continue as normal.
 
OK, well it seems that the Wall Street Journal has investigated what some of us here were saying months ago, that the WHO investigation into Chinas reaction to the virus was a complete sham.

Amongst many unbelievable discoveries is the fact thta the WHO investigation ruled out the "lab leak hypothesis" based solely on the experience and say so of Peter Daszak, the man who received $40M from the US government to research gain of function corona virus at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) SioSec Level 4 lab. No other basis than him saying its fine, nothing to see here.

WIV literally had a public database of 16,000 viruses that they were working on and immediately after the outbreak, they took the database down and deleted it. Peter Daszak said that is fine and he didnt need to see teh database or investigate it because he knows the lab.

Unbelievable. This is a massive scandal and should be recognised as such. It should be the end of the WHO at a time that we need a strong independent medical authority more than ever.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/whos-covid19-probe-designed-to-bolster-chinas-narrative-conclusion-reached-via-show-of-hands/news-story/4bd4d31b0c5bc00bd59241849e25d5de
 
![Professional footballer gets the vaccine.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1616277359729-professional-footballer-gets-the-vaccine.jpg)
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1317482) said:
![Professional footballer gets the vaccine.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1616277359729-professional-footballer-gets-the-vaccine.jpg)

😂😆😂
 
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