Coronavirus Outbreak

[cochise]

Had my second dose of Pfizer yesterday and it had knocked me around.

How were you after the first jab? I'm getting my first Monday.

First I was fine, second really struggled

Really struggled how @cochise?
Seems like it may effect you youngsters more than old dinosaurs like me, but I havent had my 2nd AZ jab yet.
My niece who just recently turned 50 was knocked around for about a week after her 2nd AZ jab.

I don't want to put people off getting the jab, but it knocked me around for about 4 days.

About 12 hours after my 2nd dose I started with headaches and cognitive foggyness. I really couldn't think straight for about 2 days, I also had blurred vision on the 1st night.

Then just tiredness headaches and feeling off for about 4 days. Today is really the 1st day I have felt 100%

I feel for you mate - I have friends at work who experienced similar symptoms from the second Pfizer shot. I was surprisingly ok - nothing more than feeling tired the next day and by dinner time, I was back to normal.

I would still recommend people to get the vaccine. It didn't change my opinion on that at all.


Agreed - its an imperative IMHO

I am now fully vaccinated and had virtually zero side effects. My wife - mild to moderate for one day - everyone's immune system responds differently to all vaccines - it just fact. Still completely outweighs any downsides (statistically speaking )

Completely agree mate, its why I'm a little reluctant to tell people I had side effects.

Yeh...with great respect @cochise I fully realise you dont want to put people off, but if you dont tell people the **truth** of possible side effects [in a respectful way] what is said could be seen as fake news.
I'm sure most of us on here are adult enough therefore responsible enough to make a decision one way or the other re getting the jabs.

If someone on here is 50/50, but then decide 'to do the right thing' and go ahead and get the jabs which causes bad side effects, they would have cause to regret it deeply.
But later go on to read a post of yours stating you did indeed have bad side effects, they may well have cause to blame you for their pain and suffering.

There was a pop group called the B-52's [probably way before you were born] that had a great track called "Tell it-Tell it-Tell it like it T-I-IS''...with respect.

Which is why I did convey my story. I know who the B-52s are, one of the female singers, Kate Pierson, is the woman singing on the Iggy Pop song "Candy"

wasn't Kate Pierson also in the R.E.M. song Shiny Happy People

Yeah she sang on the REM album Out of Time. Sang on "Shiny Happy People", "Near Wild Heaven", "Radio Song" and "Me in Honey"

 

[the_third]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.

different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

 

[mike]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

 

[innsaneink]

I think we're in big trouble now...some flights from syd-bris... Bris-melb... Melb - Bris... SYD gld cst. And return yesterday all now close contacts
A Virgin cabin crew member tested + yesterday

 

[Vince Farrar]

I think we're in big trouble now...some flights from syd-bris... Bris-melb... Melb - Bris... SYD gld cst. And return yesterday all now close contacts
A Virgin cabin crew member tested + yesterday

Yes mate as Warren Zevon sang in Lawyers Guns and Money, The shit has hit the fan!

 

[diedpretty]

Chaos in toilet paper aisles again.

Yep - got my family protected 

 

[tiger_one]

Questions still about the Olympics:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-21/japan-unveils-its-coronavirus-safe-olympic-village/100225266

 

[happy_tiger]

Questions still about the Olympics:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-21/japan-unveils-its-coronavirus-safe-olympic-village/100225266

Did anyone see the water polo player on the back page

10 minutes to eat meals ......

Happy's Huge Pizzas can't be eaten in 10 minutes .....

How many gold medals will this cost us ......

 

[Tim Sheens]

I have had my reservations about the pace of the measures in Sydney, but congratulate the state government for once again putting our homeless in the city's hotels.

Many of us seldom see those living on the streets or families in cars, so are unaware how widespread it is. Just so happy that some of them will be able to shower instead of shivering over these coming winter weeks.

I also hope they take this opportunity to avail vaccinations during this period.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just an update for background on some of the workings of the system.

My mate is returning from Hungary today, currently en route from Doha. He was dumped from many flights because they fill the plane from 1st class backwards (you can ensure your seat by upgrading). He had to test negative three times before boarding at Budapest. There was no quarantining in Doha. Once he lands he obviously quaranitines in a Sydney Hotel.

Interestingly he was offered a cheap alternative ($2500) to fly Doha to Darwin and then quarantine in a facility in Darwin but would then need to organise his own transport Darwin to Sydney.

 

[Tiger5150]

Food for thought.

Peer reviewed journal article by German and Dutch scientists based on Israeli field study.

Concludes that the cost to save three lives from COVID is two lives lost to the vaccine.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

EDIT: Please note that there were errors in the methodology of this article and this article has been retracted. I think it’s important to make this point so that it doesn’t color the discussion on this important issue.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:

 

[dazza65]

Food for thought.

Peer reviewed journal article by German and Dutch scientists based on Israeli field study.

Concludes that the cost to save three lives from COVID is two lives lost to the vaccine.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

Interesting.... in general I personally don't agree with a lot of their conclusions except for "the current political trend to vaccinate children who are at very low risk of suffering from COVID-19 in the first place must be reconsidered."

Good to have the thoughts and debate though....

 

[Tiger5150]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.

 

[tigger]

Food for thought.

Peer reviewed journal article by German and Dutch scientists based on Israeli field study.

Concludes that the cost to save three lives from COVID is two lives lost to the vaccine.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

Even if you accept the veracity of that study, an effective vaccine program will achieve more than just saving lives from Covid.

An effective vaccine program gives society the confidence to revert to normal pre-covid activities. It may allow us to avoid shutdowns and to reopen our national (and state) borders. In other word, it may revitalise our economy.

By focussing solely on deaths from covid and deaths following vaccination (not sure whether this study ensured that there was a causal link) it effectively ignores all of the people who catch and suffer from Covid 19 without dying. It ignores the ongoing health issues that those people may suffer. It ignores the cost of treating those people. It ignores the costs and the strain placed on hospitals. It ignores the impacts of all the other medical procedures that need to be foregone as a result of hospitals being overloaded. It ignores the costs associated with contact tracing and other aspects of the pandemic management.

Even if the study has been correctly conducted, it remains a very narrow perspective on a much broader issue.

 

[dazza65]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:


Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.

As with most things re COVID at the moment Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is also iffy....http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2021-111678

 

[the_third]

Just heard they are running out of hospital beds in Indonesia

 

[BZN]

I have had my reservations about the pace of the measures in Sydney, but congratulate the state government for once again putting our homeless in the city's hotels.

Many of us seldom see those living on the streets or families in cars, so are unaware how widespread it is. Just so happy that some of them will be able to shower instead of shivering over these coming winter weeks.

I also hope they take this opportunity to avail vaccinations during this period.

:+1: :+1: :+1: :+1:

 

[Harvey]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off