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@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132239) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132192) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132184) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132132) said:
Let's not argue ladies and gents.

Whatever your personal beliefs are about where the weight of blame needs to lie or how much meat you should eat each week are now irrelevant.

Although my business revenue has gone to exactly $0, I've just finished 4 full days of contacting all my clients to see how they are doing and to assist them in arranging payment plans with banks if required. All in all, I've spoken to about 200 business owners in varying industries.

For the record, I mainly work with SME's. Here's the wrap.

1. All reporting turnover has decreased anywhere from 50% (in the construction industry for instance) up to 100% (I.e. hospitality, restaurants, cafes etc.). Typically, restaurants/cafes have said it costs less to close than to stay open for 1 customer. Makes sense.
2. Those that employ staff have cut casual hours as a minimum by half. Others have cut casual hours to zero. All have said this is the first wave of cuts just to keep the doors open.
3. Full-timers are next on the chopping block - only a matter of time.
4. Most have only 2-4 months reserves at best. Many are living month to month.
5. Enquiry for all businesses has dropped sharply. Minimum is 70% up to 100%.
6. Common view is that, even if this was to stop tomorrow, the damage already done is going to hurt them for the next 6-12 months until they can catch up again.
7. Some are holding stock they can't sell which has been bought at fair market value. As liquidations occur, there will be a glut of equipment and machinery on the market at drastically reduced prices. These people are fully invested in their current inventory, so are either forced into a fire sale to keep trading or into liquidation because they operate by financing their purchases.

There's much more, but to put it into perspective, these people have gone from relative prosperity to virtual poverty overnight.

Guys, here's an idea...instead of braving the crowds at Coles or Woolies, contact your local restaurant and ask them if they'll sell you some meat in bulk. They have a direct supply chain to farms and wholesalers and can help you skip the queues.

If you're still in an office, get your colleagues to pitch in and send them a catering order - catering allows them to know exactly what they need to buy to fulfil your order and there's no over-purchasing for the restaurant/cafe.

There's just 2 ideas for restaurants and cafes. Other industries are burning as well. There's some smart people on this forum, so I'm sure you can come up with ways to help your local businesses in such a difficult period. Coles and Woolies have made enough during this time.

And please...to anyone who wants to nit pick my post, save it for another time. On a personal level, this has devastated me financially and I'm only writing this post to give the forum a picture of what's happening out there and maybe it will spurn some people with the capacity to help out a mate/family member/colleague etc. and soften the blow for those people.

Some good ideas there mate. I'm sorry to hear your business has been decimated by this, and I hope you're able to make a prosperous recovery.

We're eating at our favourite cafe once a week for lunch on a weekend and making sure we spend a decent amount of money. Was heartening to see last weekend that despite the bushfires ravaging the mountains and then the subsequent drop in tourism and now the COVID drama that the cafe was absolutely bustling.

Thank you for the kind words my friend. So glad to hear your community is supporting each other.

We've had differences of opinion in the past, but we've always been extremely amicable about it and if never wish misfortune on someone purely for that, especially not a Wests fan.

It comes from an honest place when I wish you the best. Hoping the next couple of weeks see a bit of clarity and allow everyone stop living in the moment.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you for the kind words.

Sign of a true gentleman to acknowledge our differences and be able to extend such genuine words.

You're a good egg.
 
Help for big business mates. It brought back memories of this song and especially the -

The Liberals slugged us 23 years until we had enough
Everyone got sick of them so they brought in uncle Gough
Then he got sacked now Malcolm's back the nabob of Nareen
Got the biggest election that Tammy's ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_abN8-W_s4
 
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132248) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132241) said:
I cannot fathom why someone soon to be looking for work from say next week should be getting more than one who lost their job last week. What are others thoughts on this?

I think the government needs to be careful not to push us into a depression for the next 10 odd years. We can't go broke over this. I think it's not that bad a virus and if we can get through even this flu season we can turn it all around relatively quickly.

Agree to this ...
Our kids could be paying for this even in 20years time with 17% interest rates .
The media needs to shut up and tone it down and only report on the true facts .
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132253) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132247) said:
Cairns has its 1st case confirmed
International tourist recently arrived from overseas
Here we go

Talk about getting doubly hit

First getting coronavirus and then finding out your stuck in Cairns for 2 weeks

Could be worse
Might have to drive through Gladstone now that most flights are being cancelled
Those two headed pitch fork farmers can be dangerous
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132253) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132247) said:
Cairns has its 1st case confirmed
International tourist recently arrived from overseas
Here we go

Talk about getting doubly hit

First getting coronavirus and then finding out your stuck in Cairns for 2 weeks

I want to know who the 2 thumbs up on your page were from
Time I started to give them a bit of stick too
Or was that the two headed banjo player
Each one gets a vote
 
@Harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132179) said:
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132017) said:
@Geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132012) said:
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1131963) said:
Guys - China is to blame for this outbreak but plenty of other countries have caused outbreaks in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Central_Luzon_H5N6_outbreak

I think the real question is do we stop eating meat ?

Yeah my bat strew is off the menu..

Honestly it's at times like this to be logical and this is just an opportunity for the ignorant and racist among us to come up with conspiracy theories and scream that the dirty Chinese are the problem.

We've had these outbreaks previously and we need to calm down and put stuff into perspective. I can't see human beings stopping eating meat but blaming the Chinese for this probably isn't fair especially when we've had Trumpy stating really dumb stuff and not only that. Some westerners are so arrogant that they believe they can just keep going on with their normal lives.


Can you provide an example of where this type of outbreak occurred in the last 70 years?

If the Chinese had been honest about the infections and governments worldwide had focused on their own populations and shut borders down, there would not be the current worldwide infection and death rates.

You can’t do that these days as somehow protecting people within your borders is seen as racist.

I am willing to bet that worldwide death numbers and percentages will be much higher than China’s. Is that because China are not honestly reporting deaths, that they have a treatment not being shared.

The number of businesses that will go bust and people that will lose their homes or property will be unbelievable. Foreign investment (carcass picking) needs to be banned until a longer term plan is implemented.

Such a confusing and contradictory post towards the end? Not really sure if you’re a tin-hat man or on the ‘logical’ side of the fence but such a post indicates total lack of understanding of international policy and finances?

Who’s going to stop China’s success? You...
 
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132225) said:
QANTAS is an interesting one.

Normally I would agree with paws and formerguest when they say Governments should not bail out businesses (think Holden debacle).

One key difference is that ultimately, the government took measures to temporarily stop QANTAS being able to run their core business (i.e. travel bans). QANTAS were not in financial trouble prior to any of this and although they reduced their capacity significantly, some revenue would still be coming in were it not for a complete ban on travel. Also, the bailout was largely a moratorium on fees and charges rather than a cash handout - given it's impossible for them to trade due to a government decision, it may been seen as a reasonable trade-off to cut fees and charges.

QANTAS also employs around 30,000 people - it's a big employer in the aviation industry. If these people lose their jobs, it's not like there's another airline they can all flock to and regain employment. Add to this, the only places really hiring at the moment are supermarkets, you're pretty much left with 30,000 people on welfare for a really long time.

QANTAS not only employs people. Other businesses feed off the back of QANTAS as well. Think airline catering, baggage handling, refuelling contractors. The list goes on.

If QANTAS goes, so do these other businesses. The flow on effect runs deep.

On the other hand, we could take an Economic Darwinism approach and let struggling businesses fail. I'm not against this either. However, will that have an impact on businesses being confident to operate in Australia in the future?

Would you want to risk billions of dollars in a country that makes a snap decision that can send your company bust?

Another view might be, why are QANTAS job losses and those that would stem from QANTAS failing more important than an equal number of individual small businesses in the economy? Or an equal number of unemployed people?

My view is that there are pros and cons to the argument. The question is always do the pros outweigh the cons?

I dare say, when I weigh up the situation, I'm ok with the bailout, but at the same time question whether $720 million could have helped more than 30,000 during this time?



Had no option Labor were ready to pounce with there TWU mates.. they are itching to make this political !
 
Re Qantas, I read this about the proposed USA airline bail out and I thought this is just as relevant re Qantas /Virgin etc

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/taxpayers-bailout-us-airline-industry-2020-3?r=US&IR=T
 
@Tigerboy said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132268) said:
@Harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132179) said:
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132017) said:
@Geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132012) said:
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1131963) said:
Guys - China is to blame for this outbreak but plenty of other countries have caused outbreaks in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Central_Luzon_H5N6_outbreak

I think the real question is do we stop eating meat ?

Yeah my bat strew is off the menu..

Honestly it's at times like this to be logical and this is just an opportunity for the ignorant and racist among us to come up with conspiracy theories and scream that the dirty Chinese are the problem.

We've had these outbreaks previously and we need to calm down and put stuff into perspective. I can't see human beings stopping eating meat but blaming the Chinese for this probably isn't fair especially when we've had Trumpy stating really dumb stuff and not only that. Some westerners are so arrogant that they believe they can just keep going on with their normal lives.


Can you provide an example of where this type of outbreak occurred in the last 70 years?

If the Chinese had been honest about the infections and governments worldwide had focused on their own populations and shut borders down, there would not be the current worldwide infection and death rates.

You can’t do that these days as somehow protecting people within your borders is seen as racist.

I am willing to bet that worldwide death numbers and percentages will be much higher than China’s. Is that because China are not honestly reporting deaths, that they have a treatment not being shared.

The number of businesses that will go bust and people that will lose their homes or property will be unbelievable. Foreign investment (carcass picking) needs to be banned until a longer term plan is implemented.

Such a confusing and contradictory post towards the end? Not really sure if you’re a tin-hat man or on the ‘logical’ side of the fence but such a post indicates total lack of understanding of international policy and finances?

Who’s going to stop China’s success? You...

The guy actually thought that this was one of the only outbreaks in years. I think he needs to go and reassess his position before responding.

It's okay to admit it when you get things really wrong.
 
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132269) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132225) said:
QANTAS is an interesting one.

Normally I would agree with paws and formerguest when they say Governments should not bail out businesses (think Holden debacle).

One key difference is that ultimately, the government took measures to temporarily stop QANTAS being able to run their core business (i.e. travel bans). QANTAS were not in financial trouble prior to any of this and although they reduced their capacity significantly, some revenue would still be coming in were it not for a complete ban on travel. Also, the bailout was largely a moratorium on fees and charges rather than a cash handout - given it's impossible for them to trade due to a government decision, it may been seen as a reasonable trade-off to cut fees and charges.

QANTAS also employs around 30,000 people - it's a big employer in the aviation industry. If these people lose their jobs, it's not like there's another airline they can all flock to and regain employment. Add to this, the only places really hiring at the moment are supermarkets, you're pretty much left with 30,000 people on welfare for a really long time.

QANTAS not only employs people. Other businesses feed off the back of QANTAS as well. Think airline catering, baggage handling, refuelling contractors. The list goes on.

If QANTAS goes, so do these other businesses. The flow on effect runs deep.

On the other hand, we could take an Economic Darwinism approach and let struggling businesses fail. I'm not against this either. However, will that have an impact on businesses being confident to operate in Australia in the future?

Would you want to risk billions of dollars in a country that makes a snap decision that can send your company bust?

Another view might be, why are QANTAS job losses and those that would stem from QANTAS failing more important than an equal number of individual small businesses in the economy? Or an equal number of unemployed people?

My view is that there are pros and cons to the argument. The question is always do the pros outweigh the cons?

I dare say, when I weigh up the situation, I'm ok with the bailout, but at the same time question whether $720 million could have helped more than 30,000 during this time?



Had no option Labor were ready to pounce with there TWU mates.. they are itching to make this political !

Dream on. Express empathy for the plight of the average worker and their employment and you are a red ragger.

On a lighter note, a song for the favoured holiday destination of the bogan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOIg_lHRzk
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132275) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132269) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132225) said:
QANTAS is an interesting one.

Normally I would agree with paws and formerguest when they say Governments should not bail out businesses (think Holden debacle).

One key difference is that ultimately, the government took measures to temporarily stop QANTAS being able to run their core business (i.e. travel bans). QANTAS were not in financial trouble prior to any of this and although they reduced their capacity significantly, some revenue would still be coming in were it not for a complete ban on travel. Also, the bailout was largely a moratorium on fees and charges rather than a cash handout - given it's impossible for them to trade due to a government decision, it may been seen as a reasonable trade-off to cut fees and charges.

QANTAS also employs around 30,000 people - it's a big employer in the aviation industry. If these people lose their jobs, it's not like there's another airline they can all flock to and regain employment. Add to this, the only places really hiring at the moment are supermarkets, you're pretty much left with 30,000 people on welfare for a really long time.

QANTAS not only employs people. Other businesses feed off the back of QANTAS as well. Think airline catering, baggage handling, refuelling contractors. The list goes on.

If QANTAS goes, so do these other businesses. The flow on effect runs deep.

On the other hand, we could take an Economic Darwinism approach and let struggling businesses fail. I'm not against this either. However, will that have an impact on businesses being confident to operate in Australia in the future?

Would you want to risk billions of dollars in a country that makes a snap decision that can send your company bust?

Another view might be, why are QANTAS job losses and those that would stem from QANTAS failing more important than an equal number of individual small businesses in the economy? Or an equal number of unemployed people?

My view is that there are pros and cons to the argument. The question is always do the pros outweigh the cons?

I dare say, when I weigh up the situation, I'm ok with the bailout, but at the same time question whether $720 million could have helped more than 30,000 during this time?



Had no option Labor were ready to pounce with there TWU mates.. they are itching to make this political !

Dream on. Express empathy for the plight of the average worker and their employment and you are a red ragger.

On a lighter note, a song for the favoured holiday destination of the bogan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOIg_lHRzk

Not this one 😉
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132277) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132275) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132269) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132225) said:
QANTAS is an interesting one.

Normally I would agree with paws and formerguest when they say Governments should not bail out businesses (think Holden debacle).

One key difference is that ultimately, the government took measures to temporarily stop QANTAS being able to run their core business (i.e. travel bans). QANTAS were not in financial trouble prior to any of this and although they reduced their capacity significantly, some revenue would still be coming in were it not for a complete ban on travel. Also, the bailout was largely a moratorium on fees and charges rather than a cash handout - given it's impossible for them to trade due to a government decision, it may been seen as a reasonable trade-off to cut fees and charges.

QANTAS also employs around 30,000 people - it's a big employer in the aviation industry. If these people lose their jobs, it's not like there's another airline they can all flock to and regain employment. Add to this, the only places really hiring at the moment are supermarkets, you're pretty much left with 30,000 people on welfare for a really long time.

QANTAS not only employs people. Other businesses feed off the back of QANTAS as well. Think airline catering, baggage handling, refuelling contractors. The list goes on.

If QANTAS goes, so do these other businesses. The flow on effect runs deep.

On the other hand, we could take an Economic Darwinism approach and let struggling businesses fail. I'm not against this either. However, will that have an impact on businesses being confident to operate in Australia in the future?

Would you want to risk billions of dollars in a country that makes a snap decision that can send your company bust?

Another view might be, why are QANTAS job losses and those that would stem from QANTAS failing more important than an equal number of individual small businesses in the economy? Or an equal number of unemployed people?

My view is that there are pros and cons to the argument. The question is always do the pros outweigh the cons?

I dare say, when I weigh up the situation, I'm ok with the bailout, but at the same time question whether $720 million could have helped more than 30,000 during this time?



Had no option Labor were ready to pounce with there TWU mates.. they are itching to make this political !

Dream on. Express empathy for the plight of the average worker and their employment and you are a red ragger.

On a lighter note, a song for the favoured holiday destination of the bogan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOIg_lHRzk

Not this one 😉

🙂
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132275) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132269) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132225) said:
QANTAS is an interesting one.

Normally I would agree with paws and formerguest when they say Governments should not bail out businesses (think Holden debacle).

One key difference is that ultimately, the government took measures to temporarily stop QANTAS being able to run their core business (i.e. travel bans). QANTAS were not in financial trouble prior to any of this and although they reduced their capacity significantly, some revenue would still be coming in were it not for a complete ban on travel. Also, the bailout was largely a moratorium on fees and charges rather than a cash handout - given it's impossible for them to trade due to a government decision, it may been seen as a reasonable trade-off to cut fees and charges.

QANTAS also employs around 30,000 people - it's a big employer in the aviation industry. If these people lose their jobs, it's not like there's another airline they can all flock to and regain employment. Add to this, the only places really hiring at the moment are supermarkets, you're pretty much left with 30,000 people on welfare for a really long time.

QANTAS not only employs people. Other businesses feed off the back of QANTAS as well. Think airline catering, baggage handling, refuelling contractors. The list goes on.

If QANTAS goes, so do these other businesses. The flow on effect runs deep.

On the other hand, we could take an Economic Darwinism approach and let struggling businesses fail. I'm not against this either. However, will that have an impact on businesses being confident to operate in Australia in the future?

Would you want to risk billions of dollars in a country that makes a snap decision that can send your company bust?

Another view might be, why are QANTAS job losses and those that would stem from QANTAS failing more important than an equal number of individual small businesses in the economy? Or an equal number of unemployed people?

My view is that there are pros and cons to the argument. The question is always do the pros outweigh the cons?

I dare say, when I weigh up the situation, I'm ok with the bailout, but at the same time question whether $720 million could have helped more than 30,000 during this time?



Had no option Labor were ready to pounce with there TWU mates.. they are itching to make this political !

Dream on. Express empathy for the plight of the average worker and their employment and you are a red ragger.

On a lighter note, a song for the favoured holiday destination of the bogan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOIg_lHRzk

To the song, yeah, the main reason that I have flown over or near the place on numerous occasions, yet never wanted to join them there.
 
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132228) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132225) said:
QANTAS is an interesting one.

Yeah. I'm not sure what to do though. Do you bail out the travel agents as well ?

I don't think so mate and I don't think it would matter what you did. It won't work.

Why? Because the whole problem with this is that everything is happening all at the same time.

Business revenues across most industries all at once.
People are getting sick in droves all at once.
Job losses are happening all at once.
People are descending upon supermarkets all at once.
People are selling their shares for whatever they can get all at once.

In isolation, these issues are easy to fix, but when they happen all at once, no amount of stimulus can stop the negative momentum these issues cause.

The only answer is there is no answer until this whole thing has finished wreaking havoc. All we can do is direct resources to areas that look like collapsing in the hope we're not only left with a shell of what we once knew.
 
@Cairnstigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132266) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132253) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132247) said:
Cairns has its 1st case confirmed
International tourist recently arrived from overseas
Here we go

Talk about getting doubly hit

First getting coronavirus and then finding out your stuck in Cairns for 2 weeks

I want to know who the 2 thumbs up on your page were from
Time I started to give them a bit of stick too
Or was that the two headed banjo player
Each one gets a vote

You were one ......the others are anonymous
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132253) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132247) said:
Cairns has its 1st case confirmed
International tourist recently arrived from overseas
Here we go

Talk about getting doubly hit

First getting coronavirus and then finding out your stuck in Cairns for 2 weeks

I would be happy to self isolate with CT,I can mix a few bourbon and cokes while nibbling on some cabanossi,cheese and biscuits watching the limited amount of gorgeous bodies sunbaking.....

Self isolating in Gladstone would be as exciting as being locked up with the original beverly hillbillies...sitting on possum fur covered chairs and tuning up the banjo for excitement...
 
@Cairnstigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1132247) said:
Cairns has its 1st case confirmed
International tourist recently arrived from overseas
Here we go

Stay safe brother,follow the advice of the Medical profession,wash your hands regularly and keep an eye on your temp...if you get really crook go and get medical help asap..
 
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