happy_tiger
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@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139699) said:@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139687) said:@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139682) said:@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139668) said:@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139652) said:@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139645) said:@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139630) said:@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139619) said:@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139616) said:@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139595) said:@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139590) said:@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139589) said:@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139587) said:@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139586) said:@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139577) said:@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1139546) said:https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e
I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.
Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.
I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!
It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.
I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!
The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.
If the information provided to the decision maker is allegedly misleading or untrue, and that decision informs the medical response, then the outcome will be poor. Channel 9 has been rabid in its pursuit of NSW Health. The ABC has a much more realistic report
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/nsw-police-investigate-ruby-princess-cruise-coronavirus-deaths/12123212
NSW Health had ambulances on the wharf, they knew there were issues. There are no excuses for such incompetence.
Carnival informed NSW Ambulance Service Corvid 19. was not an issue! The ambulances were there to take two passengers to hospital, one with a back complaint and another with a heart issue.
Carnival would not have known, they did not test for it, only influenza. NSW Health failed to put two and two together, while asking for the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. NSW Health allowed passengers off the ship without any restrictions. Abject failure of judgement by NSW Health.
The Police Commissioner stated there was clear evidence Corvid19 came off the ship in NZ. Therefore to tell authorities in another country it was not an issue is why we have this debacle and new investigation.
No one here is arguing that Carnival are blameless, Carnival appear to have been criminally misleading in the info they provided Australian agencies. That does not absolve NSW Health of blame, there was enough info to put restrictions in place!
There were Commonwealth and State protocols in place. Had correct info been communicated by Carnival, this would have triggered a different response. It would not change the fait of passengers as this was determined when they chose to cruise.
Some of the investigative journalists should dig to ascertain if the virus was brought into the ship from other Carnival ships by crew transfers or via inadequate cleaning.
Then the protocols were wrong, if you are conducting tests for covid 19 and the protocol is to let those people off a ship, into taxi, on public transport, into hotels, onto planes, into regional areas with low transmission then who ever wrote and approved those protocols are as much to blame as the people on the Ruby Princess that were hiding info. This may rightly end Carnival cruises an they deserve it, but other mistakes were made too. For some reason you only want to address one issue and not the rest!
Was the virus on board prior to leaving .. not cleaned properly or some of the crew already infected and known ? This obviously does not make the decision about docking any easier to stomach ... which ever way this ship was a floating morgue , I hate to think what would of happened if they did not dock and left at sea , the Japanese experience should have had red flags every where . Imo there would of been a lot more deaths if they did not dock !
I'd say crew as much as anything from the story on CH 7 now