Coronavirus Outbreak

[OzLuke]

Just reading an article on aussie politicians talking tough in regards to "economic consequences" towards China.....

People on here have more knowledge on this than I do, but how would the australian government start getting assets back that were sold to China? Like farms, mines etc and would it be possible? What would the ramifications be? good thing or bad thing for Aussies? Would be be better off insulating ourselves in some ways like this? Be more self sufficient? Or would it backfire and spell disaster??

Just spitballing for discussion......

Hopefully there are massive economic consequences for China worldwide. There needs to be some form of retribution for the way they have behaved and are still behaving (with the re-opening of those wet markets). They don't learn and really don't seem to care.

It's the not caring which is the hardest part. they really couldn't care about anyone else.....

 

[OzLuke]

Just reading an article on aussie politicians talking tough in regards to "economic consequences" towards China.....

People on here have more knowledge on this than I do, but how would the australian government start getting assets back that were sold to China? Like farms, mines etc and would it be possible? What would the ramifications be? good thing or bad thing for Aussies? Would be be better off insulating ourselves in some ways like this? Be more self sufficient? Or would it backfire and spell disaster??

Just spitballing for discussion......

Many countries have limits on foreign ownership, it would be a simple law to introduce and then any foreign owned properties above the limit would have to be sold!

My interest would be if we could take them back??? this could be a huge opportunity for changing the working landscape for australians.....

or it could just be pie in the sky

 

[cochise]

Just reading an article on aussie politicians talking tough in regards to "economic consequences" towards China.....

People on here have more knowledge on this than I do, but how would the australian government start getting assets back that were sold to China? Like farms, mines etc and would it be possible? What would the ramifications be? good thing or bad thing for Aussies? Would be be better off insulating ourselves in some ways like this? Be more self sufficient? Or would it backfire and spell disaster??

Just spitballing for discussion......

Hopefully there are massive economic consequences for China worldwide. There needs to be some form of retribution for the way they have behaved and are still behaving (with the re-opening of those wet markets). They don't learn and really don't seem to care.

It I not so much the wet markets themselves, its actually more the live animal trade that has been allowed to occur in those wet markets!

 

[cochise]

Just reading an article on aussie politicians talking tough in regards to "economic consequences" towards China.....

People on here have more knowledge on this than I do, but how would the australian government start getting assets back that were sold to China? Like farms, mines etc and would it be possible? What would the ramifications be? good thing or bad thing for Aussies? Would be be better off insulating ourselves in some ways like this? Be more self sufficient? Or would it backfire and spell disaster??

Just spitballing for discussion......

Many countries have limits on foreign ownership, it would be a simple law to introduce and then any foreign owned properties above the limit would have to be sold!

My interest would be if we could take them back??? this could be a huge opportunity for changing the working landscape for australians.....

or it could just be pie in the sky

I don't know about taking them back, but by bring in laws that limit foreign ownership it would force the sale of those assets which is fairer for all involved. I would hate to see us just take property away from people

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

 

[cochise]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

 

[cochise]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

 

[Nelson]

Just reading an article on aussie politicians talking tough in regards to "economic consequences" towards China.....

People on here have more knowledge on this than I do, but how would the australian government start getting assets back that were sold to China? Like farms, mines etc and would it be possible? What would the ramifications be? good thing or bad thing for Aussies? Would be be better off insulating ourselves in some ways like this? Be more self sufficient? Or would it backfire and spell disaster??

Just spitballing for discussion......

Many countries have limits on foreign ownership, it would be a simple law to introduce and then any foreign owned properties above the limit would have to be sold!

My interest would be if we could take them back??? this could be a huge opportunity for changing the working landscape for australians.....

or it could just be pie in the sky

That would destroy trust in the market and tank foreign investment, which is not a good thing. No chance it would happen unless assets were being seized for critical infrastructure purposes.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

Brendan Murphy in answer to a question about the matter used words to the effect 'the decision made with the information available at the time'.

The bordermeister was a bit more forthcoming in a radio interview on 2GB a few days ago.

 

[mike]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

 

[Tim Sheens]

We should wait until the findings of the Police review are known. I believe there is an issue surrounding communications from the ship. Also personal responsibility is an issue.

Personal responsibility is a separate issue though, NSW Health stuffed this up!

The Minister should go for defending those that made the decision to allow the passengers to disembark and also for not setting the correct process and procedures. Also for trying to cover up and blame Boarder Force when it was NSW Health. Those that made the incorrect decision should also go. Their judgment cannot be relied upon. I have zero confidence in NSW Health.

As a whole I think NSW health will do a very good job dealing with this crisis, I think we see we actually have a very good health system after this. I think this stuff up came from an individual under stress making a poor decision. Over the coming months we will see some of our front line medical people make some mistake under immense pressure and I think we need to support them as much as we can as they are about to be smashed for the next 3 months!


I could be totally wrong, but I actually think Australia is going to come out of this better than most countries. If we can keep at or improve the current rates of new cases (approx or less than 200 per day) that should on average be only adding less than 5 - 10 cases to hospital a day. I think that over the next 30 days we will see the peak hitting the hospitals as that large surge washes through, but as individual cases recover (or unfortunately pass away) we should start to see the strain ease on the health system. Based on 5 to 8 days for symptoms to kick in for serious cases, the peak of worst cases should be hitting the hospitals now (5-8 days since the new cases started to dip). Then based on 30 days for recovery or death then we should see the health system strain to start easing.

Im no immunologist or health care expert, simply extrapolating the maths. I think it may be possible that we start to come out of this in a month. Hope Im right.

I agree, I actually see the decisions we make when this starts to ease as important as the decisions we are making now!


I agree. Its hard to envisage an endgame for this. Even if we could flick a magic switch and stop the virus in Australia, the whole of the world is going to be a potential contagion. I can imagine a situation where we are almost able to go back to semi normal life but our borders closed for years.

Closing our borders for years would be great IMO, Australia needs to put a handbrake on immigration for a bit IMO. Cities are straining as it is, a forced go-slow would be a benefit more than a hinderence.

Aussie manufacturing would pick up and there’s no better holiday destination like our own backyard imo


Why would it impact Aussie manufacturing? Freight isnt affected.

We wouldn’t have to import from OS
We could create more jobs in our own backyard..
Still need to import cars and electronic goods though

We will still import as it is cheaper!

Not necessarily..
I think we all earn too much here ..

That is unlikely to change!

It needs to

It won't though has you would have mass defaults on mortgages. If anything all the stimulus will put massive pressure on inflation and we will end up earning more!

Only 35% of folks have mortgages so I’m told .
How’s your kid / my kids gonna be able to afford a mortgage ..
We earn too much and we pay too much ..

So your plan to fix that is have the majority of people who currently have a mortgage to lose theirs? good plan!

They’ll be 40 -45 year mortgages soon
You’ll be right !

We will end up with a situation where mortgages are designed to be multigenerational lol

Probably lol

Was talking to a financial controller tonight who has specific Accounting and Stockmarket experience,he says we will be surprised at how quick the bounce back will be once we are out of this pandemic
1..people are busting to get out and socialise now,wait for it in about a months time,,
2..the markets will go up as things flatten after the virus..
3..there will be jobs on offer because the unemployed are now more because of the virus,employment will go up..
4.the Aust economy will prosper for a fair while because we have products that O/S countries will demand..
chins up everybody and ride out the storm ...be safe and love and look after each other..its not all doom and gloom YET...

The Govt debt will be the biggest issue

The biggest issue will be reducing the Centrelink payments .....I can see the do gooders causing problems when the Govt tries reducing it

True what you say Hap but just remember most of us that are now on centrelink were forced too...the govt had to dive into their reserve so people suddenly out of work had to survive...its very much like the NRL situation where they had to put aside for a time like this but they didn't at least the govt has reserves..once the economy gets up and going again the govt will recover a fair bit of the money through taxes and tariffs again...it will take time but it wont happen overnight..

And I believe the people with good work ethics will get jobs again very quickly ...my concern is some will look at the money on offer now and accept that

Do you mean take the cash and don't look for work in the future or leave a job just to get on the dole...

Well both situations Zig .....Unemployment is the normal situation is there for back up or support ....if you really want work in the normal scheme of things the jobs are out there ...you may have to take a step backwards or move elsewhere ..but jobs are their

No way Happy, there are never jobs there for everyone that wants one. Even when you include the seasonal workers and backpackers, there was still a continual defecit of well over a half million jobs and that is without those that would like a job which pretty well doubles that to be a true figure. When one adds the underemployed, we WERE looking at a total figure of 2 million or more prior to this crisis, for whom there is not enough employment opportunities.

There is no such thing as full employment and there has to be a middle ground, as Newstart was ridiculously low and additional restrictions placed on youths were disgusting. So reducing it back to somewhere around $450/500 per week seems fair and keeps many people from living in poverty. Some 40% and more aged over 55 remained as long term unemployed post GFC or previous recession and that figure will rise significantly in the wake of this virus, so it is wrong to expect them and others to again have to live far below the poverty line.

 

[OzLuke]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

has typical gladys spin all over it......

I think government are starting to sweat it a bit.....

 

[mike]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

has typical gladys spin all over it......

I think government are starting to sweat it a bit.....

And so they should.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

If the information provided to the decision maker is allegedly misleading or untrue, and that decision informs the medical response, then the outcome will be poor. Channel 9 has been rabid in its pursuit of NSW Health. The ABC has a much more realistic report

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/nsw-police-investigate-ruby-princess-cruise-coronavirus-deaths/12123212

 

[mike]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

If the information provided to the decision maker is allegedly misleading or untrue, and that decision informs the medical response, then the outcome will be poor. Channel 9 has been rabid in its pursuit of NSW Health. The ABC has a much more realistic report

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/nsw-police-investigate-ruby-princess-cruise-coronavirus-deaths/12123212

NSW Health had ambulances on the wharf, they knew there were issues. There are no excuses for such incompetence.

 

[OzLuke]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

If the information provided to the decision maker is allegedly misleading or untrue, and that decision informs the medical response, then the outcome will be poor. Channel 9 has been rabid in its pursuit of NSW Health. The ABC has a much more realistic report

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/nsw-police-investigate-ruby-princess-cruise-coronavirus-deaths/12123212

NSW Health had ambulances on the wharf, they knew there were issues. There are no excuses for such incompetence.

if it's not that big a deal then why have the ambulances on stand by???

 

[cochise]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

If the information provided to the decision maker is allegedly misleading or untrue, and that decision informs the medical response, then the outcome will be poor. Channel 9 has been rabid in its pursuit of NSW Health. The ABC has a much more realistic report

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/nsw-police-investigate-ruby-princess-cruise-coronavirus-deaths/12123212

They were told there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms, that they had tested negative to the flu, NSW Health requested the swabs so they could test them for covid 19. Why did they let people off the ship if NSW Health itself was testing their swabs for Covid19?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

If the information provided to the decision maker is allegedly misleading or untrue, and that decision informs the medical response, then the outcome will be poor. Channel 9 has been rabid in its pursuit of NSW Health. The ABC has a much more realistic report

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/nsw-police-investigate-ruby-princess-cruise-coronavirus-deaths/12123212

NSW Health had ambulances on the wharf, they knew there were issues. There are no excuses for such incompetence.

Carnival informed NSW Ambulance Service Corvid 19. was not an issue! The ambulances were there to take two passengers to hospital, one with a back complaint and another with a heart issue.

 

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https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ruby-princess-failed-to-declare-covid19-cases/video/acb251e16e73798d60c50c8f9d7d8f5e

I've already read that and all that happened after NSW Health declared them low risk, NSW Health were told they had patients in board that were displaying flu like symptoms and tested negative to the flu. They requested the swabs so they could test them for Covid 19 and then let them disembark without an onboard medical assessment. Yes the ship mislead the port authority but NSW Health had an opportunity to catch this and missed it.

Criminal investigation to commence. Discrepancy about Information provided by Carnival to Port Authority. Oversight by Coroner.

I saw that, but NSW Health had already missed the chance to stop this. The fact Carnival lied to the Port Authority is disgusting but that doesn't clear NSW Health that knew there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms and actually requested the swabs so they could test for Covid 19. They let the passengers off knowing they were waiting on covid 19 test results!

It is a significant issue as the provision of critical information including all
facts ensures a well informed decision is made. That also determines the response by NSW Health.

I hope there are criminal charges laid against Carnival. NSW Health had enough info to make a better decision than they one they made!

The decision NSW Health made was criminal in my opinion. All the govt wants to do now is brush over it. Let’s kick all the cruise ships out so we can’t stuff it up again. I also think that decision is criminal and inhumane, we are better than that. There are ways to handle the crew left on those ships and forcing them out into International Waters should not be one of them. A pure political decision of epic arse covering proportions.

If the information provided to the decision maker is allegedly misleading or untrue, and that decision informs the medical response, then the outcome will be poor. Channel 9 has been rabid in its pursuit of NSW Health. The ABC has a much more realistic report

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/nsw-police-investigate-ruby-princess-cruise-coronavirus-deaths/12123212

They were told there were multiple passengers with flu like symptoms, that they had tested negative to the flu, NSW Health requested the swabs so they could test them for covid 19. Why did they let people off the ship if NSW Health itself was testing their swabs for Covid19?

It has been stated by Commissioner Fuller there was a clear discrepancy in the information provided. Look at the protocols (both State and Federal) to be followed in terms of what constitutes the potential Corvid 19 infection.