Coronavirus Outbreak

[happy_tiger]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

100%

Particularly when said jurisdictions have free reign over the personal data of Australian citizens.

They don't have free reign at all. You don't know what you're talking about. For me to get personal information off someone's electronic devices takes a great deal of effort and is reportable to the Ombudsman.

But it does happen unfortunately

 

[tigger]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

I do. In fact I have concerns about the app in general, but when I weigh up the positives against the negatives I feel that, on balance, i'm better off using the app than not using it.

 

[cochise]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

I do. In fact I have concerns about the app in general, but when I weigh up the positives against the negatives I feel that, on balance, i'm better off using the app than not using it.

Im processing that decision at the moment.

 

[tigger]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

I do. In fact I have concerns about the app in general, but when I weigh up the positives against the negatives I feel that, on balance, i'm better off using the app than not using it.

Im processing that decision at the moment.

Yep I know where you're coming from.
I'm a bit distrustful of some of the ideological directions of our current government and raids on journalists and the offices of the ABC don't help engender trust. But we also have some fairly robust checks and balances in our system. I am swayed by that and by importance of getting control over the spread of this virus.
Whatever decision you make, it will be the right one for you.

 

[Tim Sheens]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.

Wrong, it's not a free for all for LE agencies.

Not having a go at the foot soldiers of the AFP, but it is hard to trust on a whole when the agency doesn't question government ministers on fraud and disclosure allegations before closing cases.

 

[jadtiger]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

I do. In fact I have concerns about the app in general, but when I weigh up the positives against the negatives I feel that, on balance, i'm better off using the app than not using it.

Im processing that decision at the moment.

Yep I know where you're coming from.
I'm a bit distrustful of some of the ideological directions of our current government and raids on journalists and the offices of the ABC don't help engender trust. But we also have some fairly robust checks and balances in our system. I am swayed by that and by importance of getting control over the spread of this virus.
Whatever decision you make, it will be the right one for you.

I am in complete agreement with you in regards to any journalist being raided on the wishes of any of our governments,it is the sort of thing i associate with totalitarian governments.It is the first step in hiding information from the people who elect them

 

[Geo]

1 positive is I haven't had a call from Rajeesh from Telstra telling me my internet security has been compromised and If I don't act now my interwebs will be cut off..even though I'm with a different provider in ages..nor a call telling me I've qualified for a holiday of a lifetime..go figure

 

[jadtiger]

1 positive is I haven't had a call from Rajeesh from Telstra telling me my internet security has been compromised and If I don't act now my interwebs will be cut off..even though I'm with a different provider in ages..nor a call telling me I've qualified for a holiday of a lifetime..go figure

India is in lockdown as well even the bogus phone centers are closed

 

[cochise]

1 positive is I haven't had a call from Rajeesh from Telstra telling me my internet security has been compromised and If I don't act now my interwebs will be cut off..even though I'm with a different provider in ages..nor a call telling me I've qualified for a holiday of a lifetime..go figure

India is in lockdown as well even the bogus phone centers are closed

Bogus? So my internet security wasn't compromised?

 

[Cairnstigers]

Some people must sleep with one eye open worrying that someone is coming to get them
Relax people
This app is not devised to spy on you
That is already happening with you realize it or not
Your phone lines
Your internet providers
Your number plate on your car
Atm's or when and where you use your visa/credit cards
Reward cards
Your tax file number
Toll roads
When you buy fish and chips at your corner store using your card
Or in Happy's case when he buys two hats for his two heads
It doesn't matter
They already know what your doing and where you have been
So why worry about this app

 

[Hangonaminute]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

Are you going to spend 15m within 1.5m of a stranger when the restrictions are lifted?

I hope so

Well you are dumber than I thought.

So you won't come within 1.5 mtrs of anyone ever again?

Of course I will, I'm talking about immediately after the restrictions are lifted.

How long are you going to keep the app after restrictions are lifted?
When will you feel safe to be "app free"

I don't actually have the app, when I return to work there will be times have to be within 1.5 mtrs of people for up to an hour.

You have no knowledge of how this app is implemented but are arguing against it. You claim other people are sheep but you argue from a position of ignorance, at least research the topic before getting involved.

The biggest issue I have with this app is the location of the stored data.

You're nieve enough to trust that what they say about this app is true.
I don't trust governments, their track record speaks for itself.

Govern = Control
Ment = Mind
Remember this

You're out there, there's no two ways about it.

How many times do governments have to lie and be caught covering things up before we stop trusting what they say?

 

[happy_tiger]

1 positive is I haven't had a call from Rajeesh from Telstra telling me my internet security has been compromised and If I don't act now my interwebs will be cut off..even though I'm with a different provider in ages..nor a call telling me I've qualified for a holiday of a lifetime..go figure

You might be about to get a call .....

 

[Hangonaminute]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.

I figure it's not about me and will possibly allow contact to be easier established if there is an outbreak. It doesn't trace where you have been just who you have been close to.
Also if I don't do anything wrong what have I got to be afraid of.

Arguing you don't care about the right to privacy if you have nothing to hide is no different to saying that you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

No one is stopping you from saying what you want to say
You are comparing two completely different things here
What has privacy and free speech got to do with each other
It's like saying, I don't like eating fish, therefore I don't like eating chicken

Let's say you have old parents, grandparents or a sibling with a lung issues
Now you go out surfing with a mate who happens to have covid but you don't know that
On the way home your mate is informed he has covid or was in contact with someone with covid
Wouldn't you want to be told about that before you get home to your family and give it to them
Or
Would you rather give your family Covid because you don't want anyone knowing were you have been today
It's a no brainer for me

You obviously don't understand, you will

 

[Hangonaminute]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

I think you'll find most countries around the world use Cloud service providers Huawei (China); Microsoft, IBM, adobe etc (Murica); Samsung (korea; singapore)

Cloud servers are centralised, which means they can be attacked and the information compromised.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc

Go learn about Cryptocurrency (if you haven't) the goal is to built an internal protocol where we all own our own personal data, and control who sees it.
The next generation of the internet you can think of it as.
We need to move into a decentralized peer to peer secured way of engaging with each other online.
If we keep allowing these big tech giants to store our data on THEIR centralised servers it won't end well for us.

Data is now a commodity, it's valuable and we're giving it away for free to our own detriment.
We need to take the power back and be in control of our own information, and how and where it's stored and used.

On top of that, Crypto is also the best form of hard money we have, the current fiat currency system is dead, as we've seen during this covid19 rubbish with central banks printing money like nothing.

Yes I have a bit of crypto: mainly bitcoin, ether, litecoin, dash, golem

Get more, the change is coming.

Once Bitcoin breaks 10.5k USD and closes a weekly candle there, hold onto your hat we're in for a ride.

 

[trentrunciman]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B_diAx9JNVR/?igshid=13140dd4in8m7

 

[dazza65]

So I assume everyone who has an issue with data security and the app have also deleted all of their Facebook, instagram, WhatsApp and TikTok apps as well?

 

[Cairnstigers]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.

I figure it's not about me and will possibly allow contact to be easier established if there is an outbreak. It doesn't trace where you have been just who you have been close to.
Also if I don't do anything wrong what have I got to be afraid of.

Arguing you don't care about the right to privacy if you have nothing to hide is no different to saying that you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

No one is stopping you from saying what you want to say
You are comparing two completely different things here
What has privacy and free speech got to do with each other
It's like saying, I don't like eating fish, therefore I don't like eating chicken

Let's say you have old parents, grandparents or a sibling with a lung issues
Now you go out surfing with a mate who happens to have covid but you don't know that
On the way home your mate is informed he has covid or was in contact with someone with covid
Wouldn't you want to be told about that before you get home to your family and give it to them
Or
Would you rather give your family Covid because you don't want anyone knowing were you have been today
It's a no brainer for me

You obviously don't understand, you will

I understand completely
I'm just not worried at all
I don't lay there at night thinking someone is out to get me
What is it that you think someone will do to you if they happen to get there hands on this information

I guess you need to weigh up the options

Protect your family and friends from possibly catching and dieing from covid19 that you gave to them
Or
Someone finding out what it is that you do or like or where you have been.

Can you live with yourself if it is you that causes the death of a family member or friend just because you didn't want to download the app.

Those that want to download the app will do so
Those that don't want to won't
I feel as though I have protected my family and friends

I'll ask this question of you
Do you have life insurance
If so
Why and for who

 

[gallagher]

I think i can pick the toilet paper hoarder on here....

 

[mike]

I think i can pick the toilet paper hoarder on here....

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