Coronavirus Outbreak

[mike]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.

Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.


Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

Yeah, even with the Victorian outbreak, I think Australia handled it quite well during the winter season. Granted we took much more serious measures to control spread and have invested quite a lot of resources into contact tracing, but it has paid dividends and saved many lives. I think Europe and the USA are going to be an exercise in what relaxed border control and lack of control of spread will lead to.

 

[Celtic_Tiger]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.


Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

Yeah, even with the Victorian outbreak, I think Australia handled it quite well during the winter season. Granted we took much more serious measures to control spread and have invested quite a lot of resources into contact tracing, but it has paid dividends and saved many lives. I think Europe and the USA are going to be an exercise in what relaxed border control and lack of control of spread will lead to.

In the UK especially they never really controlled the borders effectively and even now are not enforcing quarantine after international travel.

That's been the key in Australia and why we are doing so well.

 

[TillLindemann]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.


Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

Yeah, even with the Victorian outbreak, I think Australia handled it quite well during the winter season. Granted we took much more serious measures to control spread and have invested quite a lot of resources into contact tracing, but it has paid dividends and saved many lives. I think Europe and the USA are going to be an exercise in what relaxed border control and lack of control of spread will lead to.

I think the hard state borders have helped Australia a lot. The UK has tried a regional lockdown in the north, but without any internal borders it hasn't been very effective. Cases are now exploding in the UK again. Same applies for the EU and the US. One area might be doing well, but if people can freely come and go from areas that are doing worse, it all seems a bit futile.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Good to see Chairman Dan is still trying to get the QRcodes sorted in Victoria he did such a good job with the hotels I am sure he will get the QR codes sorted ....

Whilst the security was far from perfect, you do realise that other states also used private firms and unless there is something new to come out of the inquiry, that it was a hotel manager that took the virus out of the hotel and his partner worked in the health industry spread it, yes?

and the delay with the QR codes formerguest ? the guy and his government is useless.
if it was a liberal government that had done what he had with hotel quarantine and lockdown we would have riots in the streets

The cruise ship situation in NSW could have ended far worse than it did. I don't think a premier can be blamed for a security guard deciding to shag people who are in quarantine.

Yes the Ruby Princess was a disaster for nsw governemnt but thankfully it wasn't as bad as it could have been. Insane that nsw let people get off the boat we were lucky.
Chairman Dan used private security guards rather than police and defence personnel and then put the health minister under the bus and now Andrews and CHO Sutton are back pedalling at the enquiry
Hopefully Victoria is coming out the other side now and they can get back to some normal

 

[mike]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.


Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

Yeah, even with the Victorian outbreak, I think Australia handled it quite well during the winter season. Granted we took much more serious measures to control spread and have invested quite a lot of resources into contact tracing, but it has paid dividends and saved many lives. I think Europe and the USA are going to be an exercise in what relaxed border control and lack of control of spread will lead to.

I think it also has todo with their medical system run by insurance companies. Covid19 requires a socialist medical response which is something the US just can’t comprehend.

 

[TillLindemann]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.


Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

Yeah, even with the Victorian outbreak, I think Australia handled it quite well during the winter season. Granted we took much more serious measures to control spread and have invested quite a lot of resources into contact tracing, but it has paid dividends and saved many lives. I think Europe and the USA are going to be an exercise in what relaxed border control and lack of control of spread will lead to.

I think it also has todo with their medical system run by insurance companies. Covid19 requires a socialist medical response which is something the US just can’t comprehend.

I agree the medical system in the US is a bad joke, but the situation is now also spiraling out of control in countries with good health systems, like the UK and France.

There was a point a few months ago where it seemed like the world was getting on top of it, but the last couple of weeks have been frightening.

Once health systems reach saturation point, which at half a million new cases a day, they definitely will, then you will start to see a spike not just in covid deaths, but deaths from a whole range of causes of people who can't be adequately looked after.

 

[TillLindemann]

According to worldometer, almost half a million new cases globally, in the last 24 hours alone!

Actually cracked it today with 504k plus and no doubt multiples more cases and deaths of which we are unaware, that will be estimated when the worst of this virus has passed us.

Further to your other post, I have also been keeping an eye on the huge exponential weekly growth in Europe, including Belgium. That country was already hit very hard during the extremely deadly initial wave and despite many people having already been infected from then until a week ago, on average 15,304 people, being 1 in 758 odd of their citizens have tested positive each and every day of the past seven. Meaning that 1 in 108 of the entire population this last week alone is a known new infection and it will be impossible to contact trace and isolate such numbers.

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To come back to Belgium again.

On a per capita basis Belgium is off the charts. If Belgium had a population the size of America, it would have had 700,000 new infections in the last 24 hours, and 4,000 deaths.
It is definitely the worst affected developed country, and it is accelerating. Why is it? I really don't know. Perhaps because it is so densely populated?

 

[Harvey]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.


Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

Yeah, even with the Victorian outbreak, I think Australia handled it quite well during the winter season. Granted we took much more serious measures to control spread and have invested quite a lot of resources into contact tracing, but it has paid dividends and saved many lives. I think Europe and the USA are going to be an exercise in what relaxed border control and lack of control of spread will lead to.

I think it also has todo with their medical system run by insurance companies. Covid19 requires a socialist medical response which is something the US just can’t comprehend.

I agree the medical system in the US is a bad joke, but the situation is now also spiraling out of control in countries with good health systems, like the UK and France.

There was a point a few months ago where it seemed like the world was getting on top of it, but the last couple of weeks have been frightening.

Once health systems reach saturation point, which at half a million new cases a day, they definitely will, then you will start to see a spike not just in covid deaths, but deaths from a whole range of causes of people who can't be adequately looked after.

US health system is terrible. Can't comment on France, but UK is not particularly good. Public health system (NHS) has been gutted over the last couple of decades.

 

[TillLindemann]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.


Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

Yeah, even with the Victorian outbreak, I think Australia handled it quite well during the winter season. Granted we took much more serious measures to control spread and have invested quite a lot of resources into contact tracing, but it has paid dividends and saved many lives. I think Europe and the USA are going to be an exercise in what relaxed border control and lack of control of spread will lead to.

I think it also has todo with their medical system run by insurance companies. Covid19 requires a socialist medical response which is something the US just can’t comprehend.

I agree the medical system in the US is a bad joke, but the situation is now also spiraling out of control in countries with good health systems, like the UK and France.

There was a point a few months ago where it seemed like the world was getting on top of it, but the last couple of weeks have been frightening.

Once health systems reach saturation point, which at half a million new cases a day, they definitely will, then you will start to see a spike not just in covid deaths, but deaths from a whole range of causes of people who can't be adequately looked after.

US health system is terrible. Can't comment on France, but UK is not particularly good. Public health system (NHS) has been gutted over the last couple of decades.

No doubt they've swung the axe a bit in recent years, but surely the NHS is still light years ahead of what America has?

 

[Harvey]

Death lag has finally subsided in the US, 870 deaths today, over 1,000 the last two days.


Yeah unfortunately. I said at the beginning, end of March time or early April, that the US will hit 100M infected and 1M dead by Christmas. Given the exponential rise in cases in October and the US heading into Winter, I may not be far off.

Yeah, even with the Victorian outbreak, I think Australia handled it quite well during the winter season. Granted we took much more serious measures to control spread and have invested quite a lot of resources into contact tracing, but it has paid dividends and saved many lives. I think Europe and the USA are going to be an exercise in what relaxed border control and lack of control of spread will lead to.

I think it also has todo with their medical system run by insurance companies. Covid19 requires a socialist medical response which is something the US just can’t comprehend.

I agree the medical system in the US is a bad joke, but the situation is now also spiraling out of control in countries with good health systems, like the UK and France.

There was a point a few months ago where it seemed like the world was getting on top of it, but the last couple of weeks have been frightening.

Once health systems reach saturation point, which at half a million new cases a day, they definitely will, then you will start to see a spike not just in covid deaths, but deaths from a whole range of causes of people who can't be adequately looked after.

US health system is terrible. Can't comment on France, but UK is not particularly good. Public health system (NHS) has been gutted over the last couple of decades.

No doubt they've swung the axe a bit in recent years, but surely the NHS is still light years ahead of what America has?

Definitely. I think the only place not light years ahead of the US are 3rd world countries.

 

[Tim Sheens]

According to worldometer, almost half a million new cases globally, in the last 24 hours alone!

Actually cracked it today with 504k plus and no doubt multiples more cases and deaths of which we are unaware, that will be estimated when the worst of this virus has passed us.

Further to your other post, I have also been keeping an eye on the huge exponential weekly growth in Europe, including Belgium. That country was already hit very hard during the extremely deadly initial wave and despite many people having already been infected from then until a week ago, on average 15,304 people, being 1 in 758 odd of their citizens have tested positive each and every day of the past seven. Meaning that 1 in 108 of the entire population this last week alone is a known new infection and it will be impossible to contact trace and isolate such numbers.

.

To come back to Belgium again.

On a per capita basis Belgium is off the charts. If Belgium had a population the size of America, it would have had 700,000 new infections in the last 24 hours, and 4,000 deaths.
It is definitely the worst affected developed country, and it is accelerating. Why is it? I really don't know. Perhaps because it is so densely populated?

I expect it also has a lot to do with their generally affectionate physical social greeting methods, universities and tourist movement across the whole region, with surrounding countries also experiencing rapid increases. Whilst they are no doubt adjusting practices, it is too late and they are now locking down for at least a month.

 

[TillLindemann]

According to worldometer, almost half a million new cases globally, in the last 24 hours alone!

Actually cracked it today with 504k plus and no doubt multiples more cases and deaths of which we are unaware, that will be estimated when the worst of this virus has passed us.

Further to your other post, I have also been keeping an eye on the huge exponential weekly growth in Europe, including Belgium. That country was already hit very hard during the extremely deadly initial wave and despite many people having already been infected from then until a week ago, on average 15,304 people, being 1 in 758 odd of their citizens have tested positive each and every day of the past seven. Meaning that 1 in 108 of the entire population this last week alone is a known new infection and it will be impossible to contact trace and isolate such numbers.

.

To come back to Belgium again.

On a per capita basis Belgium is off the charts. If Belgium had a population the size of America, it would have had 700,000 new infections in the last 24 hours, and 4,000 deaths.
It is definitely the worst affected developed country, and it is accelerating. Why is it? I really don't know. Perhaps because it is so densely populated?

I expect it also has a lot to do with their generally affectionate physical social greeting methods, universities and tourist movement across the whole region, with surrounding countries also experiencing rapid increases. Whilst they are no doubt adjusting practices, it is too late and they are now locking down for at least a month.

Unless I am reading the chart incorrectly, the last four days is now the first time that we've had four consecutive days of 7,000+ deaths.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

From an ABC article of NSW Health data.

Covid. 19 positive cases in HQ

Quarantine
12.1% - 111 cases from Pakistan
11.7% - 107 cases from India
10.6% - 97 cases from USA
8.8% - 81 cases from UK
13.6% from cruise ships

The surge in numbers presents a very real risk to staff in the NSW HQ system. I have family members and I am sure others do to involved in the NSW Health HQ programme. A big thank you. At some stage Victoria and Queensland will have to assist.

We talk about football but there is a tragedy unfolding around the world.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It is frustrating some hospitality venues are not abiding by NSW Health guidelines. Jasmines Restaurant is closed and will remain closed until further notice according to NSW Health. A staff member tested positive overnight and NSW Health had difficulty in locating customers. The numbers keep increasing in the South West. This is really not good enough and behaviour needs to be modified.

 

[Kul]

Just reporting in from London.
Sorry for being quiet posting and stuff... it's been strange times here.
We are about to head back into lockdown 2. While I've no doubt that it will not be as bad as the last one, it's still a daunting month ahead.

Last week a friend up in Manchester tested positive (she's now fine and back at work), then my old housemate (he's fine too) and just today my rugby club's team captain got a positive result.
Again, they are all fine, but it's amazing seeing how quickly it moves.

I won't lie, I've looked at flights back home but there isn't anything available; I probably wouldn't take a flight as I'm fine, but I see why other people would. It's not the virus that's scary, it's the economic and social impact that is.

 

[mike]

Just reporting in from London.
Sorry for being quiet posting and stuff... it's been strange times here.
We are about to head back into lockdown 2. While I've no doubt that it will not be as bad as the last one, it's still a daunting month ahead.

Last week a friend up in Manchester tested positive (she's now fine and back at work), then my old housemate (he's fine too) and just today my rugby club's team captain got a positive result.
Again, they are all fine, but it's amazing seeing how quickly it moves.

I won't lie, I've looked at flights back home but there isn't anything available; I probably wouldn't take a flight as I'm fine, but I see why other people would. It's not the virus that's scary, it's the economic and social impact that is.

Stay safe @Kul . Things are pretty good back here in AU.

 

[Papacito]

According to worldometer, almost half a million new cases globally, in the last 24 hours alone!

Actually cracked it today with 504k plus and no doubt multiples more cases and deaths of which we are unaware, that will be estimated when the worst of this virus has passed us.

Further to your other post, I have also been keeping an eye on the huge exponential weekly growth in Europe, including Belgium. That country was already hit very hard during the extremely deadly initial wave and despite many people having already been infected from then until a week ago, on average 15,304 people, being 1 in 758 odd of their citizens have tested positive each and every day of the past seven. Meaning that 1 in 108 of the entire population this last week alone is a known new infection and it will be impossible to contact trace and isolate such numbers.

.

To come back to Belgium again.

On a per capita basis Belgium is off the charts. If Belgium had a population the size of America, it would have had 700,000 new infections in the last 24 hours, and 4,000 deaths.
It is definitely the worst affected developed country, and it is accelerating. Why is it? I really don't know. Perhaps because it is so densely populated?

Anyone in aged care in Belgium that died was counted as a covid case. The government was of the belief that this was the most accurate way to reflect the situation (before the tinfoil hate brigade chime in, no, there was no financial or political incentive to classify cases as such).

.This partly accounts for the high death rate. But they have definitely failed to manage it.

They have only just formed government after an 18 month deadlock and were doing some crazy things like sending asymptomatic people back to work which allowed it to spread far and wide.

 

[cochise]

Just reporting in from London.
Sorry for being quiet posting and stuff... it's been strange times here.
We are about to head back into lockdown 2. While I've no doubt that it will not be as bad as the last one, it's still a daunting month ahead.

Last week a friend up in Manchester tested positive (she's now fine and back at work), then my old housemate (he's fine too) and just today my rugby club's team captain got a positive result.
Again, they are all fine, but it's amazing seeing how quickly it moves.

I won't lie, I've looked at flights back home but there isn't anything available; I probably wouldn't take a flight as I'm fine, but I see why other people would. It's not the virus that's scary, it's the economic and social impact that is.

Good to hear from you, I hope you continue to avoid it and anyone close to you stay safe as well. Hopefully the lockdown get things back under control over there.

 

[tig_prmz]

It's not the virus that's scary, it's the economic and social impact that is.

Agree and disagree. Had a family member overseas who was positive and had to be admitted for shortness of breath. It seems that he'll be OK now but the virus is definitely going to have an impact on the "at risk" population. There is absolutely no way that the health system copes if we think about the economic impact.

In the countries mentioned before, lockdown should continue until a vaccine is ready