Coronavirus Outbreak

[Curly_Tiger]

The demonisation of dissenting opinions is alive and well and not just in this thread
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/19/the-witch-hunting-of-lockdown-sceptics/

 

[Rugba]

Medical experts Eran Bendavid, Christopher Oh, Jay Bhattacharya, and John Ioannidis published just two weeks ago at the European Journal of Clinical Investigation their research on “Assessing Mandatory Stay-at-Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID-19.”

They studied “COVID-19 case growth in relation to any NPI [non-pharmaceutical interventions; i.e., lockdowns: mandatory stay-at-home and business closures] implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, and the US.” They then examined “case growth in Sweden and South Korea, two countries that did not implement mandatory stay-at-home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other eight countries (16 total comparisons).”

Their findings? “While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.” In short: there was no practical difference in effect between countries that locked down and those that didn’t. Or even shorter: whatever benefits lockdowns give are dwarfed by their enormous costs.

This study was complemented by Canadian infectious disease expert Dr. Ari Joffe in his study “COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink” (November 2020). Here, he stated that “The costs of lockdowns are at least 10 times higher than the benefits. That is, lockdowns cause far more harm to population well-being than COVID-19 can.”

Whereas if they had compared apples with apples, such as the obvious adjacent Nordic countries to Sweden they would have come up with totally different opinions.

What I’m sure they also did consider was compliance from those countries with restrictions . In the USA I remember there was report of “covid “ parties at the height of the 1st wave , businesses refusing to close .. wearing of masks etc

 

[jadtiger]

UK has just reached over 100k deaths.Unlike Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon another right wing leader in Boris Johnson accepted responsibility

 

[happy_tiger]

UK has just reached over 100k deaths.Unlike Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon another right wing leader in Boris Johnson accepted responsibility

Doesn't help when EPL fans are going to grounds and sitting around outside while they are being played in empty grounds

 

[happy_tiger]

I guess the big question is which vaccine that is coming to Australia is better ...more reliable

 

[Guest]

I guess the big question is which vaccine that is coming to Australia is better ...more reliable

I'm getting stung with the Pfizer vac, got no say in the matter.

 

[dazza65]

Was just reading on an international news site that Canada is 'considering' making international travellers quarantine in hotels, and this was regarded as a massive step.

What a reminder of how ahead of the pack Australia has been, even if there have been mistakes.

The result: Australia has no new local infections. Canada still having thousands of infections and hundreds of deaths every single day.

And the UK want to do something similar and the covidots there are fighting it every step of the way - a lot cant accept that Aus/NZ got it right and they cant/didnt - up to 100,000 deaths there I believe..... :face_with_rolling_eyes:

 

[Tiger5150]

I guess the big question is which vaccine that is coming to Australia is better ...more reliable

The Oxford vaccine uses technology that is tested over a long time. The others are new technology and untested longitudinally.

If/when it comes to me getting the jab, it will be Oxford or none.

 

[happy_tiger]

I guess the big question is which vaccine that is coming to Australia is better ...more reliable

I'm getting stung with the Pfizer vac, got no say in the matter.

So I'm guessing you have ruled out running around Leichhardt and having Forum members throw vaccines at you ......

 

[innsaneink]

Restrictions eased for Sydney from Friday

 

[TillLindemann]

Was just reading on an international news site that Canada is 'considering' making international travellers quarantine in hotels, and this was regarded as a massive step.

What a reminder of how ahead of the pack Australia has been, even if there have been mistakes.

The result: Australia has no new local infections. Canada still having thousands of infections and hundreds of deaths every single day.


And the UK want to do something similar and the covidots there are fighting it every step of the way - a lot cant accept that Aus/NZ got it right and they cant/didnt - up to 100,000 deaths there I believe..... :face_with_rolling_eyes:

And they're now rioting over it in the Netherlands. It's insane.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

People protesting against government moves they don’t agree with should always be encouraged as a way of limiting their overreach
If you accept everything you are told about covid you will likely accept lockdowns, social distancing, masks and ultimately an unproven vaccine
If you question many aspects, it’s the opposite
Both opinions should be tolerated and neither side of the debate should berate or belittle those that hold the different view

 

[TillLindemann]

People protesting against government moves they don’t agree with should always be encouraged as a way of limiting their overreach
If you accept everything you are told about covid you will likely accept lockdowns, social distancing, masks and ultimately an unproven vaccine
If you question many aspects, it’s the opposite
Both opinions should be tolerated and neither side of the debate should berate or belittle those that hold the different view

Oh yes, I'm a big supporter of the right to protest, even if the protest is raucous and even if I think the message is silly. In this case I think again it's a silly message. I bored the forum with my views on this general theme over the Capitol protest, I probably shouldn't again.

 

[Nelson]

People protesting against government moves they don’t agree with should always be encouraged as a way of limiting their overreach
If you accept everything you are told about covid you will likely accept lockdowns, social distancing, masks and ultimately an unproven vaccine
If you question many aspects, it’s the opposite
Both opinions should be tolerated and neither side of the debate should berate or belittle those that hold the different view

What is wrong with people accepting lockdowns, social distancing and masks? If people don't accept those things and consequently ignore them and do whatever they want then it places everyone in jeopardy. Your decisions have an impact on others.

You don't personally have any basis for thinking they're wrong to require these things, you just, for whatever reason, think you're clever being a contrarian. You go searching the internet for things to validate your decision to just contradict whatever the government seek to mandate.

This idea that everyone should hold hands, singing kumbaya and welcoming baseless, dangerous opinions such as those you like to spout is not how society functions. Such opinions should be called out for what they are. If your arguments had any substance (or were actually yours, not just something you read) then you would be able to back them up rather than just complain about people belittling you.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm OK with people protesting, as long as it doesn't violate public health orders.

I would say the same of protests I do agree in principle with.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

Was any of that really necessary?
No complaints from me whatsoever in any of my posts, just thought we should all be respectful of each other
I search for the truth wherever I might find it and of course as for most that will include the internet

I found this to be a great summary of many of the concerns relating to the issue of lockdowns, covid modeling, ventilators, PCR testing, asymptomatic transmission, CCP propaganda, scientist biases, lockdown supporters biases, national health official biases, and lockdown consequences

I’d encourage all to review this well researched and supported piece from Michael P Senger, an American Lawyer who has appeared on a number of news outlets offering a counter view to the prevailing WHO, government and big pharma narrative

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1348324838167908352.html

 

[hobbo1]

I guess the big question is which vaccine that is coming to Australia is better ...more reliable

I'm getting stung with the Pfizer vac, got no say in the matter.

Keep us posted on the side effects


 

[Nelson]

Was any of that really necessary?
No complaints from me whatsoever in any of my posts, just thought we should all be respectful of each other
I search for the truth wherever I might find it and of course as for most that will include the internet

I found this to be a great summary of many of the concerns relating to the issue of lockdowns, covid modeling, ventilators, PCR testing, asymptomatic transmission, CCP propaganda, scientist biases, lockdown supporters biases, national health official biases, and lockdown consequences

I’d encourage all to review this well researched and supported piece from Michael P Senger, an American Lawyer who has appeared on a number of news outlets offering a counter view to the prevailing WHO, government and big pharma narrative

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1348324838167908352.html

Right, everyone should read a lawyer's opinion who launches straight into his argument with over-the-top hyperbole ("the greatest crime of the 21st century!"), has a clear political agenda, no apparent scientific credentials and shows no balance at all in his argument.

You won't find "the truth" by allowing yourself to be manipulated by writings like that...

 

[earl]

Was any of that really necessary?
No complaints from me whatsoever in any of my posts, just thought we should all be respectful of each other
I search for the truth wherever I might find it and of course as for most that will include the internet

I found this to be a great summary of many of the concerns relating to the issue of lockdowns, covid modeling, ventilators, PCR testing, asymptomatic transmission, CCP propaganda, scientist biases, lockdown supporters biases, national health official biases, and lockdown consequences

I’d encourage all to review this well researched and supported piece from Michael P Senger, an American Lawyer who has appeared on a number of news outlets offering a counter view to the prevailing WHO, government and big pharma narrative

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1348324838167908352.html

I'm amazed you can post something like this.

"I search for the truth wherever I might find it" really means that you don't like facts or science and go for whatever loony tunes theory you can find.

"I found this to be a great summary of many of the concerns relating to the issue of lockdowns, covid modeling, ventilators, PCR testing, asymptomatic transmission, CCP propaganda, scientist biases, lockdown supporters biases, national health official biases, and lockdown consequences" really means that you don't trust any facts or science and look for anyone to tell you it's not true. You of course avoid any facts or science that don't confirm your loony tunes view. For instance despite the fact that Australia and New Zealand have avoided a huge number of deaths and problems you don't consider these examples.

"I’d encourage all to review this well researched and supported piece from Michael P Senger, an American Lawyer who has appeared on a number of news outlets offering a counter view to the prevailing WHO, government and big pharma narrative" means that this loony tunes guy doesn't follow science so you will listen to him. He confirms your loony tunes theory so he is alright.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

Standard responses here from the usual suspects who constantly attack the person not the content

The writer states a strong view and backs it up with extensive evidence including scientific data and also some more disturbing socio economic data. But you won’t read it because the intro is a strongly worded counter to your views, which you’ll note I disagree with but which I respect your right to express

Quote me all you like, I stand by it. But don’t read between the lines to come up with an unfavourable view of someone you don’t know and say what I meant by it. I’m sharing an alternate view for those that are interested in diversity of opinion