Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tim Sheens]

2.When Scott Morrison asked about an investigation into where the virus started,why did the Chinese react so angrily toward us with tarriffs etc on our exports…

Not going to get into the other content on the last dozen or so pages, but I will weigh in on this, which I see as a devastating diplomatic failure due to either total ignorance or stupidity.

Anyone representing a country, let alone leading it should be fully aware of the importance of "face" when dealing with any Asian country.

 

[TrueTiger]

2.When Scott Morrison asked about an investigation into where the virus started,why did the Chinese react so angrily toward us with tarriffs etc on our exports…

Not going to get into the other content on the last dozen or so pages, but I will weigh in on this, which I see as a devastating diplomatic failure due to either total ignorance or stupidity.

Anyone representing a country, let alone leading it should be fully aware of the importance of "face" when dealing with any Asian country.

Obviously FG you dont like our leader or anyone associated with the LNP,however,in my observations during a severe global threat,it would be imperative to ask a simple question and ask for an investigation to the source of the virus in an orderly manner such as Scott Morrison asked...he asked a question many people were asking for..

 

[Tim Sheens]

2.When Scott Morrison asked about an investigation into where the virus started,why did the Chinese react so angrily toward us with tarriffs etc on our exports…

Not going to get into the other content on the last dozen or so pages, but I will weigh in on this, which I see as a devastating diplomatic failure due to either total ignorance or stupidity.

Anyone representing a country, let alone leading it should be fully aware of the importance of "face" when dealing with any Asian country.

Obviously FG you dont like our leader or anyone associated with the LNP,however,in my observations during a severe global threat,it would be imperative to ask a simple question and ask for an investigation to the source of the virus in an orderly manner such as Scott Morrison asked...he asked a question many people were asking for..

Actually like the most visible LNP minister on Covid in Greg Hunt for health and a few others that have integrity. For mine the Legion of Merit award from Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon came at a very high cost to Australia.

 

[earl]

Actually like the most visible LNP minister on Covid in Greg Hunt for health and a few others that have integrity. For mine the Legion of Merit award from Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon came at a very high cost to Australia.

I agree with this. I have no problems with Morrison talking up about China but to say nothing about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon reeks of racism. You have principles and you stand for those principles.

I actually think it's worse than that because we need the trade with China. So he could have chosen to shut his peephole because of the economic impact with China.

 

[earl]

I swear the WHO couldnt be less transparent or less trustworthy if they tried.

This is such a load of palava. It's unlikely that the virus came from a lab and you want to make out it that your hypothesis is somehow fact. This is just a way to cover yourself when the investigation doesn't produce the results that you want.

The WHO are investigating. They aren't owned by China. There is no evidence that the investigation will hide anything. We know China will hide any evidence that they can because they want the virus to be from somewhere else but I see no reason why we cannot trust the investigation to be completed to the best of their ability.

If we get evidence to prove your theory or that the investigation is somehow dodgy then provide that info but we should all let this play out.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Medical experts Eran Bendavid, Christopher Oh, Jay Bhattacharya, and John Ioannidis published just two weeks ago at the European Journal of Clinical Investigation their research on “Assessing Mandatory Stay-at-Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID-19.”

They studied “COVID-19 case growth in relation to any NPI [non-pharmaceutical interventions; i.e., lockdowns: mandatory stay-at-home and business closures] implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, and the US.” They then examined “case growth in Sweden and South Korea, two countries that did not implement mandatory stay-at-home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other eight countries (16 total comparisons).”

Their findings? “While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.” In short: there was no practical difference in effect between countries that locked down and those that didn’t. Or even shorter: whatever benefits lockdowns give are dwarfed by their enormous costs.

This study was complemented by Canadian infectious disease expert Dr. Ari Joffe in his study “COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink” (November 2020). Here, he stated that “The costs of lockdowns are at least 10 times higher than the benefits. That is, lockdowns cause far more harm to population well-being than COVID-19 can.”

 

[mike]

Medical experts Eran Bendavid, Christopher Oh, Jay Bhattacharya, and John Ioannidis published just two weeks ago at the European Journal of Clinical Investigation their research on “Assessing Mandatory Stay-at-Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID-19.”

They studied “COVID-19 case growth in relation to any NPI [non-pharmaceutical interventions; i.e., lockdowns: mandatory stay-at-home and business closures] implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, and the US.” They then examined “case growth in Sweden and South Korea, two countries that did not implement mandatory stay-at-home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other eight countries (16 total comparisons).”

Their findings? “While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.” In short: there was no practical difference in effect between countries that locked down and those that didn’t. Or even shorter: whatever benefits lockdowns give are dwarfed by their enormous costs.

This study was complemented by Canadian infectious disease expert Dr. Ari Joffe in his study “COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink” (November 2020). Here, he stated that “The costs of lockdowns are at least 10 times higher than the benefits. That is, lockdowns cause far more harm to population well-being than COVID-19 can.”

It’s interesting that they never included the countries where the lockdowns were most effective being Australia, New Zealand and Singapore. It might be inferred by that they had an outcome they wanted and chose those countries most likely to support their required outcome agenda.

 

[cochise]

Medical experts Eran Bendavid, Christopher Oh, Jay Bhattacharya, and John Ioannidis published just two weeks ago at the European Journal of Clinical Investigation their research on “Assessing Mandatory Stay-at-Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID-19.”

They studied “COVID-19 case growth in relation to any NPI [non-pharmaceutical interventions; i.e., lockdowns: mandatory stay-at-home and business closures] implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, and the US.” They then examined “case growth in Sweden and South Korea, two countries that did not implement mandatory stay-at-home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other eight countries (16 total comparisons).”

Their findings? “While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.” In short: there was no practical difference in effect between countries that locked down and those that didn’t. Or even shorter: whatever benefits lockdowns give are dwarfed by their enormous costs.

This study was complemented by Canadian infectious disease expert Dr. Ari Joffe in his study “COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink” (November 2020). Here, he stated that “The costs of lockdowns are at least 10 times higher than the benefits. That is, lockdowns cause far more harm to population well-being than COVID-19 can.”

It’s interesting that they never included the countries where the lockdowns were most effective being Australia, New Zealand and Singapore. It might be inferred by that they had an outcome they wanted and chose those countries most likely to support their required outcome agenda.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

Interesting in light of the recent extensive discussion here
https://torontosun.com/news/world/who-advisor-covid-19-pandemic-started-via-a-lab-leak

 

[hank37w]

Doesn't matter if it's footy or Corona virus, people will always cherry pick the facts, figures, or statistics to suit their agenda.

Being honest, we are all guilty of it sometime.

 

[Guest]

Medical experts Eran Bendavid, Christopher Oh, Jay Bhattacharya, and John Ioannidis published just two weeks ago at the European Journal of Clinical Investigation their research on “Assessing Mandatory Stay-at-Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID-19.”

They studied “COVID-19 case growth in relation to any NPI [non-pharmaceutical interventions; i.e., lockdowns: mandatory stay-at-home and business closures] implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, and the US.” They then examined “case growth in Sweden and South Korea, two countries that did not implement mandatory stay-at-home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other eight countries (16 total comparisons).”

Their findings? “While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.” In short: there was no practical difference in effect between countries that locked down and those that didn’t. Or even shorter: whatever benefits lockdowns give are dwarfed by their enormous costs.

This study was complemented by Canadian infectious disease expert Dr. Ari Joffe in his study “COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink” (November 2020). Here, he stated that “The costs of lockdowns are at least 10 times higher than the benefits. That is, lockdowns cause far more harm to population well-being than COVID-19 can.”

It’s interesting that they never included the countries where the lockdowns were most effective being Australia, New Zealand and Singapore. It might be inferred by that they had an outcome they wanted and chose those countries most likely to support their required outcome agenda.

My thoughts exactly.

x3. They've thumbed their nose at the "lockdown" in the UK and are frollicking around in the snow. That'll do them wonders I'm sure...

 

[TillLindemann]

He won't get the international attention that the Donald or Boris got when they tested positive to covid. But I think the infection of the Mexican President shines a spotlight on the health disaster in Mexico.

They officially have the 4th highest death toll in the world, but their government has admitted the true death toll is likely at least 50,000 higher. Their incredibly low testing means their number of infections is probably ten times higher.
Last week they had 1,800 deaths in 24 hours, which per capita is possibly the worst daily death toll of any country.

 

[Tiger5150]

I have just found out that the first of my actual friends that I know personally and well have caught it. Two of my friends have caught it.

The first is a international pilot (not an Aussie, loves in Dubai), who flew his kids to South Africa for school and caught it there. He is stuck in SA and is very sick and has a pre-existing immune issue. Worried about him.

Second is a mate of mine in Hungary (also not Aussie). At this stage he has bad aches all over.

I think a lot of us (I include myself) dont appreciate how widespread it is overseas and how easy it is to catch. Once you do you enter the lottery and take your chances. Seems to be that at a minimum you are going to feel pretty crook for a while.

 

[cochise]

I have just found out that the first of my actual friends that I know personally and well have caught it. Two of my friends have caught it.

The first is a international pilot (not an Aussie, loves in Dubai), who flew his kids to South Africa for school and caught it there. He is stuck in SA and is very sick and has a pre-existing immune issue. Worried about him.

Second is a mate of mine in Hungary. At this stage he has bad aches all over.

I think a lot of us (I include myself) dont appreciate how widespread it is overseas and how easy it is to catch. Once you do you enter the lottery and take your chances. Seems to be that at a minimum you are going to feel pretty crook for a while.

Sorry to hear that mate.

 

[TillLindemann]

Was just reading on an international news site that Canada is 'considering' making international travellers quarantine in hotels, and this was regarded as a massive step.

What a reminder of how ahead of the pack Australia has been, even if there have been mistakes.

The result: Australia has no new local infections. Canada still having thousands of infections and hundreds of deaths every single day.

 

[TillLindemann]

I have just found out that the first of my actual friends that I know personally and well have caught it. Two of my friends have caught it.

The first is a international pilot (not an Aussie, loves in Dubai), who flew his kids to South Africa for school and caught it there. He is stuck in SA and is very sick and has a pre-existing immune issue. Worried about him.

Second is a mate of mine in Hungary (also not Aussie). At this stage he has bad aches all over.

I think a lot of us (I include myself) dont appreciate how widespread it is overseas and how easy it is to catch. Once you do you enter the lottery and take your chances. Seems to be that at a minimum you are going to feel pretty crook for a while.

All the best to both of them mate.

 

[mike]

I have just found out that the first of my actual friends that I know personally and well have caught it. Two of my friends have caught it.

The first is a international pilot (not an Aussie, loves in Dubai), who flew his kids to South Africa for school and caught it there. He is stuck in SA and is very sick and has a pre-existing immune issue. Worried about him.

Second is a mate of mine in Hungary (also not Aussie). At this stage he has bad aches all over.

I think a lot of us (I include myself) dont appreciate how widespread it is overseas and how easy it is to catch. Once you do you enter the lottery and take your chances. Seems to be that at a minimum you are going to feel pretty crook for a while.

So sorry to hear that. I hope they both have a full recovery and live long lives.

Makes you realise just how well we are doing here. Despite all our whinging we are way ahead of the curve.

 

[jadtiger]

I have just found out that the first of my actual friends that I know personally and well have caught it. Two of my friends have caught it.

The first is a international pilot (not an Aussie, loves in Dubai), who flew his kids to South Africa for school and caught it there. He is stuck in SA and is very sick and has a pre-existing immune issue. Worried about him.

Second is a mate of mine in Hungary (also not Aussie). At this stage he has bad aches all over.

I think a lot of us (I include myself) dont appreciate how widespread it is overseas and how easy it is to catch. Once you do you enter the lottery and take your chances. Seems to be that at a minimum you are going to feel pretty crook for a while.

I hope that both make a fast and full recovery

 

[Tim Sheens]

Medical experts Eran Bendavid, Christopher Oh, Jay Bhattacharya, and John Ioannidis published just two weeks ago at the European Journal of Clinical Investigation their research on “Assessing Mandatory Stay-at-Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID-19.”

They studied “COVID-19 case growth in relation to any NPI [non-pharmaceutical interventions; i.e., lockdowns: mandatory stay-at-home and business closures] implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, and the US.” They then examined “case growth in Sweden and South Korea, two countries that did not implement mandatory stay-at-home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other eight countries (16 total comparisons).”

Their findings? “While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.” In short: there was no practical difference in effect between countries that locked down and those that didn’t. Or even shorter: whatever benefits lockdowns give are dwarfed by their enormous costs.

This study was complemented by Canadian infectious disease expert Dr. Ari Joffe in his study “COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink” (November 2020). Here, he stated that “The costs of lockdowns are at least 10 times higher than the benefits. That is, lockdowns cause far more harm to population well-being than COVID-19 can.”

Whereas if they had compared apples with apples, such as the obvious adjacent Nordic countries to Sweden they would have come up with totally different opinions.

 

[happy_tiger]

I have just found out that the first of my actual friends that I know personally and well have caught it. Two of my friends have caught it.

The first is a international pilot (not an Aussie, loves in Dubai), who flew his kids to South Africa for school and caught it there. He is stuck in SA and is very sick and has a pre-existing immune issue. Worried about him.

Second is a mate of mine in Hungary (also not Aussie). At this stage he has bad aches all over.

I think a lot of us (I include myself) dont appreciate how widespread it is overseas and how easy it is to catch. Once you do you enter the lottery and take your chances. Seems to be that at a minimum you are going to feel pretty crook for a while.

Hope both have a full and speedy recovery