Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

**IT’S IN TRIAL - MEANING YOU’RE THE TRIAL**. You’re literally guinea pigs in the testing arena to drugs that have no scientific proof to be completely safe, or work for that matter.

Its actually not even in trial, it will never reach that point. When they got the Emergency Use Authorisation (EUA) the manufacturers received lifelong total indemnity and they removed the requirement to report adverse effects that is required under Phase 4 trials.

It might not be a conspiracy, but seriously you couldnt design it to look more like one.

 

[tigertye]

**IT’S IN TRIAL - MEANING YOU’RE THE TRIAL**. You’re literally guinea pigs in the testing arena to drugs that have no scientific proof to be completely safe, or work for that matter.

Its actually not even in trial, it will never reach that point. When they got the Emergency Use Authorisation (EUA) the manufacturers received lifelong total indemnity and they removed the requirement to report adverse effects that is required under Phase 4 trials.

It might not be a conspiracy, but seriously you couldnt design it to look more like one.

Good point. Doesn’t matter though mate. Soon none of us will have a choice and we’ll just have to bend over to the government demands. But they’ve been prepping everyone nice and well for that for a while now.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Reading between the lines of Scomo’s latest comments they’re pretty well what I anticipated. They’ll basically force everyone to get the jab.

Want to go on holidays? Get the jab first
Want to go to the pub? Get the jab first
Want to be allowed to visit your mates? Get the jab first
Want to keep your job? Sorry mate, you’ll need a jab for that.

A mate of mine works for a major trucking company and is hearing that all workers and subcontractors for Woolworths and Coles are going to be forced to choose between their jobs and the jab. He’s furious and I don’t blame him.

I honestly cannot believe people trying to sell these supposed vaccines and pushing their opinions like it’s proven to work miracles against covid. The mere fact our government is pushing a rushed drug that has proven side-affects like some sort of cure to our problems because it’s the best we’ve got is madness.

IT’S IN TRIAL - MEANING YOU’RE THE TRIAL. You’re literally guinea pigs in the testing arena to drugs that have no scientific proof to be completely safe, or work for that matter.

Australia has every capability to hold out until a proven and tested vaccine is available but the government is too weak to make the tough decisions for the greater good and is selling this idea of a near normal life if you take the lab rat drugs they’re telling you too.

It’s proper mental.

I literally cannot have either at the moment.

One causes clotting complications (I take anticoagulants,) and the other is reported to cause heart infections.

Sputnik 5 ?

AZ and Pfizer.

 

[TillLindemann]

He is easily the worst prime minister this country has ever had. I know all PMs since Howard have all been panned in one way or another, but none of them hold a candle to this clown.

Howard was rubbish too haha. Jack Lang might have been alright, Arthur Phillip and Macquarie were quite intelligent, can't think of any other leader I especially like throughout our entire history.

I didn't rate Howard either. But since him every PM has copped it deluxe largely due to parties rolling leaders every five seconds.

Jack Lang was Premier, not PM.

Yeah though in those days Premiers/states had a lot more power, and the other two were NSW governors of course. Anyway sorry wrong thread.

 

[Tiger5150]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

**I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.**

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/united-kingdom-now-a-petri-dish-for-the-world-as-delta-and-vaccines-rise/news-story/4dab1a93ce3087957ff2c520a053f5c0

I should send them an invoice for writing their articles for them.

 

[Tiger5150]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. ***There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains*** in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

Ive brought this post back from the dead in light of the above article about what is happening with the Delta variant in the UK and its interaction with the vaccines.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/united-kingdom-now-a-petri-dish-for-the-world-as-delta-and-vaccines-rise/news-story/4dab1a93ce3087957ff2c520a053f5c0

Back in May, Geert Vanden Bossche, a world leader in vaccine development was warning the world that rushing through the vaccines in the middle of the worst of the pandemic was going to force the evolution of more dangerous and more virulent variants. Basically it is turning out exactly the way he said it would and as a result, it looks like we are being dragged into a global race to vaccinate with an untested, potentially unsafe vaccine that is not even going to work against the dominant strains that are left, due to the vaccines themselves.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

https://youtu.be/vGBDETOPAJA

 

[happy_tiger]

Pretty big jump in numbers in NSW today

Not good .....

 

[cochise]

Pretty big jump in numbers in NSW today

Not good .....

More of them already in isolation though so that is a benefit but I highly doubt this lockdown ends on Friday.

 

[Tiger5150]

Pretty big jump in numbers in NSW today

Not good .....

Ill get all nerdy here, but the numbers arent big. If you are looking at a virus spread the risk is one pass it on to two, who pass it onto two and th enumbers go 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 etc. Exponential growth which is exactly what happened a year ago. The numbers are not growing exponentially, it is linear growth and is less likely to escalate as a result. If it gets out in the wild and starts to grow exponentially, then we are back in a bad place.

 

[happy_tiger]

Pretty big jump in numbers in NSW today

Not good .....

More of them already in isolation though so that is a benefit but I highly doubt this lockdown ends on Friday.

Supposedly thousands at Bondi and Centennial Park .....people are too stupid and never learn

 

[hobbo1]

Pretty big jump in numbers in NSW today

Not good .....

More of them already in isolation though so that is a benefit but I highly doubt this lockdown ends on Friday.

Supposedly thousands at Bondi and Centennial Park .....people are too stupid and never learn

Eastern suburbs grubs

 

[cochise]

Pretty big jump in numbers in NSW today

Not good .....

More of them already in isolation though so that is a benefit but I highly doubt this lockdown ends on Friday.

Supposedly thousands at Bondi and Centennial Park .....people are too stupid and never learn

There is a reason Bondi always gets wrapped up in these outbreaks.

 

[barra]

Wow did I stumble upon the politics thread? Or the tin hat thread??

BTW, the clotting that can be attributed to the AZ is not the same as clotting issues that people such as members of my family take blood thinners to deal with.
It's been stated by physicians that if you are on thinners it does not make you more susceptible to clotting... and, it has always been speculated that booster immunization will be required annually for Covid. To deal with variants.
Also has been stated that Covids evolve very slowly and immunizations can be effective to a high percentage for long periods.
I encourage everyone to only take on board the advice that is published by the government health websites or comes directly from the mouths of people involved in these organisations, not social media - which includes this forum.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to my 2nd AZ jab in around a month. Right now I'm off to read about footy somewhere else, be healthy and enjoy the rest of the weekend NRL!

 

[happy_tiger]

Pretty big jump in numbers in NSW today

Not good .....

More of them already in isolation though so that is a benefit but I highly doubt this lockdown ends on Friday.

Supposedly thousands at Bondi and Centennial Park .....people are too stupid and never learn

Eastern suburbs grubs

Lots of flannos ....way out Westies .....get in your car and drive home

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


According to our fearless leader "It is not a race".He is such a poor leader with total lack of vision he is starting to make T.Abbott appear gifted.

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[cochise]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


According to our fearless leader "It is not a race".He is such a poor leader with total lack of vision he is starting to make T.Abbott appear gifted.

I think he must have had Covid as a child then.

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


According to our fearless leader "It is not a race".He is such a poor leader with total lack of vision he is starting to make T.Abbott appear gifted.

I think he must have had Covid as a child then.

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[Spud_Murphy]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


According to our fearless leader "It is not a race".He is such a poor leader with total lack of vision he is starting to make T.Abbott appear gifted.

It’s probably the jabs affecting his brain, although he most likely only had a placebo - God forbid the world’s leaders are actually given the real experimental jab!

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....

Are you a medical professional?


I am a science professional. Your point?

What discipline if you don't mind me asking? It's not to formulate a smartarse remark or anything, genuinely curious.


Biology...I have 2 science degrees (AQF Level 8 ) and I am a professional consultant in a science(based) field. Part of my work and a requirement for my ongoing professional development is to read, understand and summarise scientific literature.

I am NOT a medical doctor and Im not big noting myself, but Demps asked and I am qualified to have an opinion of the science surrounding this.

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Thank you!!! :slightly_smiling_face: :+1: :+1: :+1:
Edit : I should have said the BS I mentioned is on other threads than this :frowning: , sorry.

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


According to our fearless leader "It is not a race".He is such a poor leader with total lack of vision he is starting to make T.Abbott appear gifted.

It’s probably the jabs affecting his brain, although he most likely only had a placebo - God forbid the world’s leaders are actually given the real experimental jab!

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