Coronavirus Outbreak

[Demps]

I see Roy Asotasi & Ben Roberts were at the protest yesterday

Good, stuff them, contact Crime Stoppers.


It was an interesting crowd....

 

[Tim Sheens]

I haven't said they are better, i said and i asked is is the indication that, they could be better, because they had the one and only infection wave?

And this has been answered multiple times. We are seeing around the world that their vaccines are **not** better.

And if you think they only had a 'first wave' and that was it then you're grossly mistaken. They have had to enforce lockdowns of entire cities (like Shijiazhuang - **11 million people**) throughout 2021.


Idly curious, what sources have you been using for your research?

One of my sources is https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si
This popular site shows that China had the one and only wave,

So what are your sources that prove China had more than the one wave?

The problem is that we can't trust the data out of China. They also can use measures that most countries wouldn't use. Do you realize that China still has spys in Australia ? Do you realize that have state sanctioned hackers working with them ? They aren't normal.

We have operatives all around the world as well, including China, it isn't an exclusive club.

In fact we are still prosecuting the legal representative of one of our spies that turned whistle blower after we abused one of the poorest nations and neighbour that we pretended to be helping.

The world deserves to know the Covid 19 origin truth one way or another, but conspiracy sites the likes of Finest above and governmental blaming will not help in getting there.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

Just look at the news here in Australia for your answer.

Proper short sharp lockdowns in other states here over recent months and probably not as strong as those in China, then look at NSW and bingo.

 

[Crucible]

The other States did not have the Delta Variant. Had Victoria had Delta when they lost the plot entirely ,it would have been catastrophic.

 

[hank37w]

Next meeting, let's invite the Chinese spies and Security Police to show how its done in China. Doubt there would be Round 3.

They would no longer be in circulation to be in attendance for Round 3.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The other States did not have the Delta Variant. Had Victoria had Delta when they lost the plot entirely ,it would have been catastrophic.

Yes they did, just a couple of weeks or so before it got out here and just like our Premier now, they asked Gladys and others for additional vaccines during their effective lockdown but were refused.

Actually, I think all states bar Tasmania have already dealt with or are currently dealing with the strain.

 

[Harvey]

I think that if there is a single positive case from the protests, anyone identified as being there should be considered a close contact.

From that point they obviously cannot be trusted to self isolate so I think that they should have to quarantine in a hotel or quarantine station at their own expense.

 

[earl]

The world deserves to know the Covid 19 origin truth one way or another, but conspiracy sites the likes of Finest above and governmental blaming will not help in getting there.

I've said for ages there is no proof whatsoever in the theory that the virus came out of a lab. It could have. I work on proof though.

I read an interview with an Australian scientist who worked in the Wuhan lab. She stated that it could have happened but when she was there that had very rigorous controls as good as anywhere else she worked.

 

[TillLindemann]

The world deserves to know the Covid 19 origin truth one way or another, but conspiracy sites the likes of Finest above and governmental blaming will not help in getting there.

I've said for ages there is no proof whatsoever in the theory that the virus came out of a lab. It could have. I work on proof though.

I read an interview with an Australian scientist who worked in the Wuhan lab. She stated that it could have happened but when she was there that had very rigorous controls as good as anywhere else she worked.

To me it is the most likely scenario, given the research that was being undertaken there, given its immediate vicinity to ground zero of the outbreak, given workers there were rushed to hospital with covid-like symptoms immediately prior to the outbreak.

And I think the initial furious downplaying of this possibility was political - i.e. not wanting to give ammunition to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, and not wanting to upset Beijing. Since Biden's election almost everybody has done a 180, including the WHO, including Fauci, including The Lancet, including major media outlets who have retracted their initial 'fact checks'.

The Australian who worked there has a vested interest in downplaying the lab's culpability, just as those who worked at Chernobyl did 35 years earlier.

*If* it was the result of a leak, it is important to know this, not just so that we can avoid such things happening again, but also so that those responsible, and those who covered it up, are held responsible for what has been unleashed on the world.

Note: if it leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology I 100% think this was accidental. To suggest they deliberately leaked it in their own country makes no sense.

 

[earl]

If it was the result of a leak, it is important to know this, not just so that we can avoid such things happening again, but also so that those responsible, and those who covered it up, are held responsible for what has been unleashed on the world.
Note: if it leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology I 100% think this was accidental. To suggest they deliberately leaked it in their own country makes no sense.

I agree with all of this. We should try and find out what happened.

I have no idea how the virus evolved but I need robust proof to state where it came from. The reality is that we often don't find out how these viruses evolved. We don't have definitive proof how the Spanish Flu originated.

So to me we have a couple of huge issues:-

1. I can't see China trying to figure out what happened and be open about this. If it was from their lab they won't admit a thing. If it was from their country and exotic animal trade they won't admit a thing.
2. It's really hard to determine exactly how a massive contagious disease evolved.
3. People excluding China politicize the issue. They push the lab theory without proof. I heard one of our epidemiologists make this point. She was very clear that any lab theory was just a political point and had no basis in facts.

 

[TheDaBoss]

A 10 centimetre wave or a 50 metre wave is still a wave..

Mexican wave

 

[happy_tiger]

A 10 centimetre wave or a 50 metre wave is still a wave..

Mexican wave

A 50 metre wave will be a Tsunami ......and will be devastating ........but the amount of Sharks ,Manly and roosters players it takes out ...priceless

 

[swag_tiger]

The people are planning another protest this weekend. Do they really think that will end the lockdown? I don't Glady's will be intimidated by them.

 

[earl]

I just read about Taiwan. They went from 12 deaths to 700+ since mid May. They had it under control but lost the plot. They had low vaccination rates plus they were dealing with the Alpha variant. I think the delta variant is worse.

I hope we get this under control but I can see this going bad. I wonder how the freedom fighters will feel if it goes bad.

 

[Radoush]

Ok I will bite re Sweden, nice cherry pick of data but tell the full picture.

Lets focus on deaths Denmark, Norway & Finland with a population of 16mil had 4351 deaths all countries comparable given location etc. These 3 countries did apply restrictions against herd mentality.

Sweden with a population of 10mil had 12,700 deaths during the same time. 3 times the deaths with 40% less population.

That was in Feb and when they hit the peak then they did infact put in restrictions around operating hours of businesses, public transportation limits and list goes on which have stayed until stage 3 restrictions removal have been announced recently. They also did restrict travel to Sweden with the US being approved to travel as part of stage 3 restriction changes. The restrictions they applied did see a dip in cases until the Delta strain hit in April.

Sweden have been since the 2nd wave in April one of the most aggressive to go on the vaccine with 60% of the population having a form of the vaccine & 40% deemed fully vaccinated within 3mths. They have openly attributed the vaccine adoption by locals as the reason for things to get under control however they do still have recommended restrictions in place which the public adhere to. For a country not in fear they haven’t exactly left the doors open and being anti vax. It’s clear they a knowledge the strain the virus has hence the urgency of the vaccine rollout.

It’s not about living in fear it’s about reality is people who get covid get infected faster and the impact is worse than anything else that spreads. Sweden hospital cases and emergency cases are hardly something to also be modeled as a success either something our medical systems have zero chance of coping with thats for sure.

Sweden will have a lower death rate in 2020 than it had in 2010
January 4, 2021by philg
This Statista bar chart has been suggesting for months that the all-cause death rate in Sweden for 2020, a year in which the country gave the finger to the deadliest virus within the memory of Humankind, will be lower than the death rate in 2010, an unremarkable year from a disease point of view.


90,487 residents of Sweden died in 2010, when the population was 9.34 million (Google). The population today is 10.4 million (Statistics Sweden, a government agency).

The 2010 death rate applied to the 2020 population would be consistent with approximately 100,750 deaths.

The Statistics Sweden folks make fine-grained death data available for download. The latest iteration, released today, shows 95,022 deaths for all of 2020. However, it seems that the data are incomplete starting on December 21. If we normalize Dec 21-31 with averages from 2015-2019, we would expect Sweden to experience an additional 1,846 deaths in 2020, for a total of 96,868 (i.e., well below the 100,750 who would have died if the 2010 death rate occurred).

[Update: The January 18, 2021 version of the spreadsheet shows 97,941 deaths for all of 2020. More than the above guess, but still occurring at a lower rate than in 2010.]

It will be worth checking back in a couple of weeks for the near-final 2020 number. (The Swedes will publish their final number for 2020 on February 22, 2021, seven weeks after the end of 2020. Their U.S. counterparts at the CDC, published their final numbers for 2018 in January 2020, 13 months after the end of 2018.)

Summary: the Swedes sent their unmasked children to school, sent their unmasked selves to work, sent their unmasked selves to the gym and social events, and generally went right into November before losing their nerve (adopting masks on public transport and cutting “public events” (not private house parties) back to 8 people max). They’ve emerged from what in most countries was the Year of Coronapanic with their psyches, civil liberties (freedom to gather, freedom to travel), education, and work skills intact. They’ve suffered more deaths than in some previous years (but maybe partly this was due to having fewer-than-expected deaths in the most recent years), but have had a lower death rate than they had in 2010 and they’re not even on the first page of countries ranked by COVID-19-tagged death rate.

(What does a moderately northern place with a big city look like when the Church of Shutdown is worshipped and the Ritual of the Mask is observed? The Maskachusetts COVID-19 death rate per 100,000 people is 182 (CDC). Sweden’s rate is 86.)

 

[nuggetron]

Seeing that I mentioned greed earlier and also long ago that my Central Coast should be fenced off (colloquially) from Sydney, I want to reiterate that it along with other areas should be protected by making Sydney itself as insular as possible.

It needs to be treated as an island in relation to this virus and early calls for blowing up bridges etcetera earlier, whilst exaggerations, they were spot on in that almost total isolation needed to be carried out back then.

impossible, chant or gladys said it, it's too hard to completely shut sydney out of everywhere else, how will food and supplies get in and out?

people are still out and about, kmart and bunnings aren't that essential
i still see tradies carpooling
there's plenty of fat to be trimmed from that list
i understand the supply chain process, i worked in part of it for too long (hated every second of it) i get petrol stations need to be open to be able to facilitate the essential workers getting to work and the same for public transport, but do mechanics need to be open? sure have emergency set up like the tradies but i still see people asking for who does green/pink/white slips etc on facebook with dozens of responses
wouldn't be too hard to put something on the back end of RMS saying any car that expired in this period gets 6 months grace
i've seen kennards hire trucks with equipment getting hauled around the roads, shouldn't be happening, traffic hasn't improved that much for so many people locked down. a normal 70 minute peak hour drive is down to 50 or so vs 35 with no traffic

The key word is the "almost" that was in my last sentence, that naturally covers the logistics necessary for survival, along with child welfare, disabled and the like.

It was certainly possible to insulate the Central Coast and should have been done on the Thursday prior to school holidays commencing, but too late now anyway as those similar to your mentions have already brought it up here. Next stop is Newcastle and the Hunter, as it seeds here and transports north from here as it did to get here.

I thought the start of spring earlier, but even with the last lot of changes it remains lockdown lite, so this might go right out to the grand final or even longer now.

Thank whomever or what one may believe in that we have state borders so some of the country can continue.

i'd be surprised if we are out of lockdown by xmas, there's been 0 signs of improvement from these various iterations of "mockdowns", add in the protest on the weekend and the planned one this weekend and we will be sitting in our houses with at best 2 other people allowed

 

[Demps]

The people are planning another protest this weekend. Do they really think that will end the lockdown? I don't Glady's will be intimidated by them.

Whatever it takes to get their faces on TV.
Disgraceful.

Hope they're cashed up. Those fines are coming....
🙌💯🔥

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Ok I will bite re Sweden, nice cherry pick of data but tell the full picture.

Lets focus on deaths Denmark, Norway & Finland with a population of 16mil had 4351 deaths all countries comparable given location etc. These 3 countries did apply restrictions against herd mentality.

Sweden with a population of 10mil had 12,700 deaths during the same time. 3 times the deaths with 40% less population.

That was in Feb and when they hit the peak then they did infact put in restrictions around operating hours of businesses, public transportation limits and list goes on which have stayed until stage 3 restrictions removal have been announced recently. They also did restrict travel to Sweden with the US being approved to travel as part of stage 3 restriction changes. The restrictions they applied did see a dip in cases until the Delta strain hit in April.

Sweden have been since the 2nd wave in April one of the most aggressive to go on the vaccine with 60% of the population having a form of the vaccine & 40% deemed fully vaccinated within 3mths. They have openly attributed the vaccine adoption by locals as the reason for things to get under control however they do still have recommended restrictions in place which the public adhere to. For a country not in fear they haven’t exactly left the doors open and being anti vax. It’s clear they a knowledge the strain the virus has hence the urgency of the vaccine rollout.

It’s not about living in fear it’s about reality is people who get covid get infected faster and the impact is worse than anything else that spreads. Sweden hospital cases and emergency cases are hardly something to also be modeled as a success either something our medical systems have zero chance of coping with thats for sure.

Sweden will have a lower death rate in 2020 than it had in 2010
January 4, 2021by philg
This Statista bar chart has been suggesting for months that the all-cause death rate in Sweden for 2020, a year in which the country gave the finger to the deadliest virus within the memory of Humankind, will be lower than the death rate in 2010, an unremarkable year from a disease point of view.


90,487 residents of Sweden died in 2010, when the population was 9.34 million (Google). The population today is 10.4 million (Statistics Sweden, a government agency).

The 2010 death rate applied to the 2020 population would be consistent with approximately 100,750 deaths.

The Statistics Sweden folks make fine-grained death data available for download. The latest iteration, released today, shows 95,022 deaths for all of 2020. However, it seems that the data are incomplete starting on December 21. If we normalize Dec 21-31 with averages from 2015-2019, we would expect Sweden to experience an additional 1,846 deaths in 2020, for a total of 96,868 (i.e., well below the 100,750 who would have died if the 2010 death rate occurred).

[Update: The January 18, 2021 version of the spreadsheet shows 97,941 deaths for all of 2020. More than the above guess, but still occurring at a lower rate than in 2010.]

It will be worth checking back in a couple of weeks for the near-final 2020 number. (The Swedes will publish their final number for 2020 on February 22, 2021, seven weeks after the end of 2020. Their U.S. counterparts at the CDC, published their final numbers for 2018 in January 2020, 13 months after the end of 2018.)

Summary: the Swedes sent their unmasked children to school, sent their unmasked selves to work, sent their unmasked selves to the gym and social events, and generally went right into November before losing their nerve (adopting masks on public transport and cutting “public events” (not private house parties) back to 8 people max). They’ve emerged from what in most countries was the Year of Coronapanic with their psyches, civil liberties (freedom to gather, freedom to travel), education, and work skills intact. They’ve suffered more deaths than in some previous years (but maybe partly this was due to having fewer-than-expected deaths in the most recent years), but have had a lower death rate than they had in 2010 and they’re not even on the first page of countries ranked by COVID-19-tagged death rate.

(What does a moderately northern place with a big city look like when the Church of Shutdown is worshipped and the Ritual of the Mask is observed? The Maskachusetts COVID-19 death rate per 100,000 people is 182 (CDC). Sweden’s rate is 86.)

Again cherry pick data.

Preliminary data from EU statistics agency Eurostat compiled by Reuters showed Sweden had 7.7% more deaths in 2020 than its average for the preceding four years.

Sweden did much worse than its Nordic neighbours, with Denmark registering just 1.5% excess mortality and Finland 1.0%. Norway had no excess mortality at all in 2020. All of which had lockdowns.

Sweden also acknowledged openly it let the elderly down during phase 1 hence why they changed their stance when the delta variant hit them and they pushed the vaccine rollout with restrictions.

 

[earl]

Sweeden has a population less than 1/2 of Australia. They've had a million infections and 14 k deaths. We've had 33k infections and 918 deaths.

They have about 75% of their population having had at least one vaccination shot.

So compared to us they've failed dismally but they will be in a better position going forward due to the rate of vaccination they've had.

They also didn't implement tough lockdowns but people would have changed their behaviors as well.

Personally I'm not sure that harder lockdowns have much more benefit. I also think the only real way out of this problem is to vaccinate everyone.

 

[earl]

Preliminary data from EU statistics agency Eurostat compiled by Reuters showed Sweden had 7.7% more deaths in 2020 than its average for the preceding four years.

No offense but looking at just deaths is so stupid. We are talking about COVID and not other deaths.

Look Sweeden has 50 apple trees and therefore lockdowns are stupid. It's hard to take anyone seriously who uses data like that. It's just dumb.