Coronavirus Outbreak

[cochise]

I feel sorry for all my friends in Sydney. Lockdown can be tough - tougher for some than for others. At the moment I suspect that many people in Sydney aren't seeing any light at the end of the tunnel.

I think the NSW government has mishandled this wave, and the ensuing lockdown(s), to the extent that many people may have lost faith in the lockdown as being a way out. But standing on the side line and throwing rocks at them (the government) probably isn't going to help, (as tempting as it is).

I hope that you all get sufficient financial support so that you're able to hang in there, because, in the absence of widespread vaccination, lockdown appears to be the only mechanism that will give contract tracers a chance to get ahead of the spread.

This is the attitude and isn't it great that we are now seeing more reasonable measures being put into place. Better late than never.

Still not quite enough to catch some of those living hand to mouth prior to this lockdown that have lost, but I congratulate those voices within our federal government that have overcome the philosophical ones bereft of compassion amongst them.

What were the increases in assistance that were announced today?

I am only catching up now having attended the funeral online and catching up afterwards.

Weekly $600 now up to the old Jobkeeper rate of $750, an additional $200 a fortnight? for those getting some form of benefit prior if they have lost 8? hours and extended business thresholds.

Sure on the first point, but don't quote me on the others. Seems to catch a few more of the needy and the extra $150 will be spent by nearly all that receive it. Good news.

Yeah, I am on the disaster payments atm, so that will make a difference for me.

 

[Papacito]

For all the tough talk about bringing in the military..... the government using the forces for non-defence purposes is 100% illegal.

Defence are often called in to help with Bushfires and floods. They are allowed to be used when a state or national emergency is called.

Floods and bushfires can be justified as defending Commonwealth interests.

Enforcing a state public health order is 100% different.

Sydney generates majority of the country’s income, has majority of the population & international borders are closing from other countries - as such if COVID continues to blow out of control in Sydney it creates a large commonwealth risk hence can be called upon as it puts the rest of the country at risk.

Should also add the large debt that will continue to rise due to government financial support (not state financial assistance.

It's a complicated part of the law. There's a lot online if you're interested in learning about it.

The most simplistic answer is that we already have the NSW Police to enforce the NSW public health order.

The Commonwealth sending in the ADF to police a state's citizens would be a pretty serious constitutional breach.

 

[mike]

I feel sorry for all my friends in Sydney. Lockdown can be tough - tougher for some than for others. At the moment I suspect that many people in Sydney aren't seeing any light at the end of the tunnel.

I think the NSW government has mishandled this wave, and the ensuing lockdown(s), to the extent that many people may have lost faith in the lockdown as being a way out. But standing on the side line and throwing rocks at them (the government) probably isn't going to help, (as tempting as it is).

I hope that you all get sufficient financial support so that you're able to hang in there, because, in the absence of widespread vaccination, lockdown appears to be the only mechanism that will give contract tracers a chance to get ahead of the spread.

This is the attitude and isn't it great that we are now seeing more reasonable measures being put into place. Better late than never.

Still not quite enough to catch some of those living hand to mouth prior to this lockdown that have lost, but I congratulate those voices within our federal government that have overcome the philosophical ones bereft of compassion amongst them.

What were the increases in assistance that were announced today?

20hrs or more lost increase from $600 to $750 per week.
Less than 20hrs lost increase from $375 to $450 per week

That is pretty big

It will certainly help a lot of people.

 

[Papacito]

One of the mobs I work for are running one of their Sydney offices / worksite at full capacity and with no masks.

They've told a few blokes from red zone areas that they need to come in and work.

In no way could you consider them 'critical workers'.

I'm not at all surprised that Sydney infections keep rising.

 

[Crucible]

Hang on jadtiger. CHINA !!!! Russia !!!! France centerest, fair enough. Venezuala left left and loopy. Not surprised that you don't understand NZ being on the list. Let me explain to you why.NZ's GDP has been r**ted by the incompetent Government. They went into mega lockdown and totally stuffed the economy. Not only that but they have very kindly replaced Aust with lamb exports to CHINA not to mention Wine. If ScoMo had any backbone he would round up all the Bondi Kiwi's and put them on Scotland Island.

 

[mike]

Missus: Alexa fart
Alexa: fart noises produced
Me: giggles

 

[earl]

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/covid-authoritarianism-sweeps-across-europe-but-the-economy-is-saved-20210728-p58diu.html

Interesting article.

 

[jadtiger]

Hang on jadtiger. CHINA !!!! Russia !!!! France centerest, fair enough. Venezuala left left and loopy. Not surprised that you don't understand NZ being on the list. Let me explain to you why.NZ's GDP has been r**ted by the incompetent Government. They went into mega lockdown and totally stuffed the economy. Not only that but they have very kindly replaced Aust with lamb exports to CHINA not to mention Wine. If ScoMo had any backbone he would round up all the Bondi Kiwi's and put them on Scotland Island.

So your criticism of NZ is based on their economy and the measures they have taken in regards to improving it.Here is silly old me thinking that a thread on coronavirus should be about the deathtoll from uncaring governments.Sadly some people only think of money and not their own citizens.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

On 10 News a few minutes ago was the certainty of increased NSW Police presence in those lockdown LGAs. Also floated was the possible use of the Army. I'm not sure if that was to sensationalize the story or advice received.

 

[TrueTiger]

I feel sorry for all my friends in Sydney. Lockdown can be tough - tougher for some than for others. At the moment I suspect that many people in Sydney aren't seeing any light at the end of the tunnel.

I think the NSW government has mishandled this wave, and the ensuing lockdown(s), to the extent that many people may have lost faith in the lockdown as being a way out. But standing on the side line and throwing rocks at them (the government) probably isn't going to help, (as tempting as it is).

I hope that you all get sufficient financial support so that you're able to hang in there, because, in the absence of widespread vaccination, lockdown appears to be the only mechanism that will give contract tracers a chance to get ahead of the spread.

This is the attitude and isn't it great that we are now seeing more reasonable measures being put into place. Better late than never.

Still not quite enough to catch some of those living hand to mouth prior to this lockdown that have lost, but I congratulate those voices within our federal government that have overcome the philosophical ones bereft of compassion amongst them.

What were the increases in assistance that were announced today?

I am only catching up now having attended the funeral online and catching up afterwards.

Weekly $600 now up to the old Jobkeeper rate of $750, an additional $200 a fortnight? for those getting some form of benefit prior if they have lost 8? hours and extended business thresholds.

Sure on the first point, but don't quote me on the others. Seems to catch a few more of the needy and the extra $150 will be spent by nearly all that receive it. Good news.

Yeah, I am on the disaster payments atm, so that will make a difference for me.

I should be entitled to the disaster relief.....just for getting on the forum and putting up with you blokes and gals....sometimes it drains me....but we are all Gods creatures and I will have to do my best to keep myself together...:joy: :sunglasses: :+1:

 

[hobbo1]

I feel sorry for all my friends in Sydney. Lockdown can be tough - tougher for some than for others. At the moment I suspect that many people in Sydney aren't seeing any light at the end of the tunnel.

I think the NSW government has mishandled this wave, and the ensuing lockdown(s), to the extent that many people may have lost faith in the lockdown as being a way out. But standing on the side line and throwing rocks at them (the government) probably isn't going to help, (as tempting as it is).

I hope that you all get sufficient financial support so that you're able to hang in there, because, in the absence of widespread vaccination, lockdown appears to be the only mechanism that will give contract tracers a chance to get ahead of the spread.

This is the attitude and isn't it great that we are now seeing more reasonable measures being put into place. Better late than never.

Still not quite enough to catch some of those living hand to mouth prior to this lockdown that have lost, but I congratulate those voices within our federal government that have overcome the philosophical ones bereft of compassion amongst them.

What were the increases in assistance that were announced today?

I am only catching up now having attended the funeral online and catching up afterwards.

Weekly $600 now up to the old Jobkeeper rate of $750, an additional $200 a fortnight? for those getting some form of benefit prior if they have lost 8? hours and extended business thresholds.

Sure on the first point, but don't quote me on the others. Seems to catch a few more of the needy and the extra $150 will be spent by nearly all that receive it. Good news.

Yeah, I am on the disaster payments atm, so that will make a difference for me.

I should be entitled to the disaster relief.....just for getting on the forum and putting up with you blokes and gals....sometimes it drains me....but we are all Gods creatures and I will have to do my best to keep myself together...:joy: :sunglasses: :+1:

You started it ?

 

[mike]

I feel sorry for all my friends in Sydney. Lockdown can be tough - tougher for some than for others. At the moment I suspect that many people in Sydney aren't seeing any light at the end of the tunnel.

I think the NSW government has mishandled this wave, and the ensuing lockdown(s), to the extent that many people may have lost faith in the lockdown as being a way out. But standing on the side line and throwing rocks at them (the government) probably isn't going to help, (as tempting as it is).

I hope that you all get sufficient financial support so that you're able to hang in there, because, in the absence of widespread vaccination, lockdown appears to be the only mechanism that will give contract tracers a chance to get ahead of the spread.

This is the attitude and isn't it great that we are now seeing more reasonable measures being put into place. Better late than never.

Still not quite enough to catch some of those living hand to mouth prior to this lockdown that have lost, but I congratulate those voices within our federal government that have overcome the philosophical ones bereft of compassion amongst them.

What were the increases in assistance that were announced today?

I am only catching up now having attended the funeral online and catching up afterwards.

Weekly $600 now up to the old Jobkeeper rate of $750, an additional $200 a fortnight? for those getting some form of benefit prior if they have lost 8? hours and extended business thresholds.

Sure on the first point, but don't quote me on the others. Seems to catch a few more of the needy and the extra $150 will be spent by nearly all that receive it. Good news.

Yeah, I am on the disaster payments atm, so that will make a difference for me.

I should be entitled to the disaster relief.....just for getting on the forum and putting up with you blokes and gals....sometimes it drains me....but we are all Gods creatures and I will have to do my best to keep myself together...:joy: :sunglasses: :+1:

You started it ?

All we need is @happy_tiger to join in and we'd have Huey, Dewey and Louie.

 

[TrueTiger]

I feel sorry for all my friends in Sydney. Lockdown can be tough - tougher for some than for others. At the moment I suspect that many people in Sydney aren't seeing any light at the end of the tunnel.

I think the NSW government has mishandled this wave, and the ensuing lockdown(s), to the extent that many people may have lost faith in the lockdown as being a way out. But standing on the side line and throwing rocks at them (the government) probably isn't going to help, (as tempting as it is).

I hope that you all get sufficient financial support so that you're able to hang in there, because, in the absence of widespread vaccination, lockdown appears to be the only mechanism that will give contract tracers a chance to get ahead of the spread.

This is the attitude and isn't it great that we are now seeing more reasonable measures being put into place. Better late than never.

Still not quite enough to catch some of those living hand to mouth prior to this lockdown that have lost, but I congratulate those voices within our federal government that have overcome the philosophical ones bereft of compassion amongst them.

What were the increases in assistance that were announced today?

I am only catching up now having attended the funeral online and catching up afterwards.

Weekly $600 now up to the old Jobkeeper rate of $750, an additional $200 a fortnight? for those getting some form of benefit prior if they have lost 8? hours and extended business thresholds.

Sure on the first point, but don't quote me on the others. Seems to catch a few more of the needy and the extra $150 will be spent by nearly all that receive it. Good news.

Yeah, I am on the disaster payments atm, so that will make a difference for me.

I should be entitled to the disaster relief.....just for getting on the forum and putting up with you blokes and gals....sometimes it drains me....but we are all Gods creatures and I will have to do my best to keep myself together...:joy: :sunglasses: :+1:

You started it ?

You got a mention in the I get the message thread.....enjoy....

 

[hobbo1]

I feel sorry for all my friends in Sydney. Lockdown can be tough - tougher for some than for others. At the moment I suspect that many people in Sydney aren't seeing any light at the end of the tunnel.

I think the NSW government has mishandled this wave, and the ensuing lockdown(s), to the extent that many people may have lost faith in the lockdown as being a way out. But standing on the side line and throwing rocks at them (the government) probably isn't going to help, (as tempting as it is).

I hope that you all get sufficient financial support so that you're able to hang in there, because, in the absence of widespread vaccination, lockdown appears to be the only mechanism that will give contract tracers a chance to get ahead of the spread.

This is the attitude and isn't it great that we are now seeing more reasonable measures being put into place. Better late than never.

Still not quite enough to catch some of those living hand to mouth prior to this lockdown that have lost, but I congratulate those voices within our federal government that have overcome the philosophical ones bereft of compassion amongst them.

What were the increases in assistance that were announced today?

I am only catching up now having attended the funeral online and catching up afterwards.

Weekly $600 now up to the old Jobkeeper rate of $750, an additional $200 a fortnight? for those getting some form of benefit prior if they have lost 8? hours and extended business thresholds.

Sure on the first point, but don't quote me on the others. Seems to catch a few more of the needy and the extra $150 will be spent by nearly all that receive it. Good news.

Yeah, I am on the disaster payments atm, so that will make a difference for me.

I should be entitled to the disaster relief.....just for getting on the forum and putting up with you blokes and gals....sometimes it drains me....but we are all Gods creatures and I will have to do my best to keep myself together...:joy: :sunglasses: :+1:

You started it ?

All we need is @happy_tiger to join in and we'd have Huey, Dewey and Louie.

That you daisy ?

 

[Tim Sheens]

On 10 News a few minutes ago was the certainty of increased NSW Police presence in those lockdown LGAs. Also floated was the possible use of the Army. I'm not sure if that was to sensationalize the story or advice received.

The army would almost certainly be in a welfare support capacity.

 

[Crucible]

Channel 10 News is useless. They meant the Salvation Army.

 

[tigger]

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/covid-authoritarianism-sweeps-across-europe-but-the-economy-is-saved-20210728-p58diu.html

Interesting article.

Yes it is.
I'm not in favour of broad-based mandatory vaccination. But I am in favour of mandatory vaccinations in certain circumstances and I am in favour of vaccination requirements for certain activities.
It all comes down to individual rights and I'm of the view that there is a hierarchy of rights.
My right to travel safely trumps your right to speed and run through red lights.
The rights of aged care residents to stay alive trumps the right of an aged care worker to remain unvaccinated.
My right to travel safely in an aeroplane trumps your right to refuse a vaccination and sit in the seat beside me.

 

[tigger]

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/covid-authoritarianism-sweeps-across-europe-but-the-economy-is-saved-20210728-p58diu.html

Interesting article.

Yes it is.
I'm not in favour of broad-based mandatory vaccination. But I am in favour of mandatory vaccinations in certain circumstances and I am in favour of vaccination requirements for certain activities.
It all comes down to individual rights and I'm of the view that there is a hierarchy of rights.
My right to travel safely trumps your right to speed and run through red lights.
The rights of aged care residents to stay alive trumps the right of an aged care worker to remain unvaccinated.
My right to travel safely in an aeroplane trumps your right to refuse a vaccination and sit in the seat beside me.

Sorry @earl. My reference to "your" in that rant is not directed at you.

 

[Demps]

https://youtu.be/_W8qJLApkyA

 

[earl]

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/covid-authoritarianism-sweeps-across-europe-but-the-economy-is-saved-20210728-p58diu.html

Interesting article.

Yes it is.
I'm not in favour of broad-based mandatory vaccination. But I am in favour of mandatory vaccinations in certain circumstances and I am in favour of vaccination requirements for certain activities.
It all comes down to individual rights and I'm of the view that there is a hierarchy of rights.
My right to travel safely trumps your right to speed and run through red lights.
The rights of aged care residents to stay alive trumps the right of an aged care worker to remain unvaccinated.
My right to travel safely in an aeroplane trumps your right to refuse a vaccination and sit in the seat beside me.

Sorry @earl. My reference to "your" in that rant is not directed at you.

I'm on the same page as you. I'm vaccinated and I now deserve to be able to do what I want to do safely. If I want to go a restaurant or leave my suburb (now in a tighter lock down) or go to the gym or whatever I want I should be able to do that.

I'm cool with everything right now but that should change.

My SIL rang my wife and tried to catch up. She lives in a South Western Sydney area in a massive extended family and I think she travels with no care at all to the Eastern suburbs to visit her daughter. She refuses to get vaccinated as it is putting chemicals in her body. I find that so rude.