Coronavirus Outbreak

[Demps]

True dies not discriminate!

This is deep

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[Tiger Beach]

I dont understand why you wouldn’t but sheep will be sheep.

Apparently everyone getting the vaccine are the sheeple. It's fascinating isn't it.

My personal opinion is that COVID doesn't care if you are a sheeple or not.

I think that's an extreme and colourful characterisation of those who don't intend getting it but I don't think it represents the majority

For me it is a personal choice. You are fully able to decide to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information and decide that's best for you. You are also equally entitled to decide not to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information that is right for you

Different decisions can be made by different people based on the same information

I'd encourage everyone to consider all of the relevant information before they make their decision and ultimately make the choice that's right for them

 

[Tiger5150]

It's going to be interesting times coming up. The virus gets out the unvaccinated die. The people who were brand shopping and they ***don't understand the meaning of efficacy have died***. This will continue.

This sounds VERY important. I dont want to die and I don't want my family to die. Please explain for us what efficacy means.

What is the relative efficacy between Pfizer and Az (under identical conditions)?

EDIT: THis IS an important topic and therefore it is important to correct the intentional misinformation that Earl is spreading.

Efficacy is the effectiveness of the vaccine to stop you contracting the disease. It is measured as the percentage of people contracting the disease whilst taking a placebo in a randomized double blind trial versus the percentage of people contracting the disease whilst vaccinated. It provides the percentage per person of not contracting the disease.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

The **relative efficacy** of Pfizer v AZ at preventing contraction of COVID under strict identical scientific trial is for the Alpha **94% efficacy for Pfizer** and 74.5% for AZ. For the Delta variant it is **88% for Pfizer** and 67% for Pfizer.

This is not conjecture, these are facts borne out by proper scientific trial and published in one of the most authoritative medical journals in the world. Earl does not know better, neither does Vox.

It **IS** important. People should decide on vaccination and which vaccine based on facts. AZ is a good vaccine and for many it is the good choice. If efficacy is a factor in your decision then the facts matter.

***I know this must be boring everyone*** but its important, and Im bewildered that Earl KEEPS lying here and spreading this misinformation and I also surprised that the mods allow it. I ask Earl to please not do it again. Please do not come in and say that I dont "understand efficacy" and that the scientists published in the New England Journal of Medicine dont understand efficacy. If he does, then he continues to spread lies and misinformation in an extremely important discussion and the mods should do something about it.

 

[swag_tiger]

I dont understand why you wouldn’t but sheep will be sheep.

Apparently everyone getting the vaccine are the sheeple. It's fascinating isn't it.

My personal opinion is that COVID doesn't care if you are a sheeple or not.

I think that's an extreme and colourful characterisation of those who don't intend getting it but I don't think it represents the majority

For me it is a personal choice. You are fully able to decide to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information and decide that's best for you. You are also equally entitled to decide not to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information that is right for you

Different decisions can be made by different people based on the same information

I'd encourage everyone to consider all of the relevant information before they make their decision and ultimately make the choice that's right for them

Majority of people are getting vaccinated. Will only be a matter of time before the passport system comes and the non vaccinated will have some problems getting into places.

 

[Tiger5150]

I dont understand why you wouldn’t but sheep will be sheep.

Apparently everyone getting the vaccine are the sheeple. It's fascinating isn't it.

My personal opinion is that COVID doesn't care if you are a sheeple or not.

I think that's an extreme and colourful characterisation of those who don't intend getting it but I don't think it represents the majority

For me it is a personal choice. You are fully able to decide to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information and decide that's best for you. You are also equally entitled to decide not to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information that is right for you

Different decisions can be made by different people based on the same information

I'd encourage everyone to consider all of the relevant information before they make their decision and ultimately make the choice that's right for them

Majority of people are getting vaccinated. Will only be a matter of time before the passport system comes and the non vaccinated will have some problems getting into places.

I really hope not. I will be vaccinated but I dont want to see a passport system in society. I would prefer that we just open the doors.

Besides the fact that I think it is just a horrible authoritarian direction for society to go, what you will end up doing is encouraging events for "non" passport holders creating denser pools for the virus to spread. If you have an event, say indoors with 100 people. If 75 of that 100 are vaccianted it is a lot harder for the virus to spread in that area than if 100 of them are unvaccinated.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Burwood and Strathfield added to areas of concern. Also Bexley area is a concern.

 

[Tiger Beach]

I dont understand why you wouldn’t but sheep will be sheep.

Apparently everyone getting the vaccine are the sheeple. It's fascinating isn't it.

My personal opinion is that COVID doesn't care if you are a sheeple or not.

I think that's an extreme and colourful characterisation of those who don't intend getting it but I don't think it represents the majority

For me it is a personal choice. You are fully able to decide to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information and decide that's best for you. You are also equally entitled to decide not to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information that is right for you

Different decisions can be made by different people based on the same information

I'd encourage everyone to consider all of the relevant information before they make their decision and ultimately make the choice that's right for them

Majority of people are getting vaccinated. Will only be a matter of time before the passport system comes and the non vaccinated will have some problems getting into places.

Time will tell if it's the majority, you're probably right but the minority will still in my opinion be a sizeable minority

Perhaps what you outline may change the decision for some individuals and not change it for others

It does feel a lot like coersion though and something which impacts upon the notion of informed consent which is an important part of an appropriately determined decision

 

[swag_tiger]

65% of retailers want all workers to be vaccinated and 55% want the introduction of a passport system.

 

[earl]

I dont understand why you wouldn’t but sheep will be sheep.

Apparently everyone getting the vaccine are the sheeple. It's fascinating isn't it.

My personal opinion is that COVID doesn't care if you are a sheeple or not.

I think that's an extreme and colourful characterisation of those who don't intend getting it but I don't think it represents the majority

For me it is a personal choice. You are fully able to decide to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information and decide that's best for you. You are also equally entitled to decide not to get vaccinated if you feel after weighing up all of the information that is right for you

Different decisions can be made by different people based on the same information

I'd encourage everyone to consider all of the relevant information before they make their decision and ultimately make the choice that's right for them

Majority of people are getting vaccinated. Will only be a matter of time before the passport system comes and the non vaccinated will have some problems getting into places.

Do we need the passport system ? I was thinking we need it. Now I think if you are vaccinated you should be safe.

If you aren't vaccinated well you take your chances.

I also see that more and more people are getting vaccinated. We have in the latest data that I can see about a 48.06% vaccination rate of one dose. The figure for 70+ is 70.87%.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-update-11-august-2021.pdf

That 70+ figure is to me madness though. It's taking a massive risk. If my parents weren't vaccinated I'd be really worried.

 

[earl]

65% of retailers want all workers to be vaccinated and 55% want the introduction of a passport system.

How do you force people to get vaccinated ? Look at the 70+ figure for vaccinations being for first dose at about 80%. 20% of people in such a high risk demographic have chosen not to get vaccinated.

 

[gregjm87]

Partner runs a pub (when not locked down). All the staff are currently in a zoom meeting with the owner. The advice from the AHA is that the expectations are it will become law that all staff and customers must be vaccinated. He did stress its not mandatory at the moment but highly likely it will be a requirement when lockdown ends.

 

[Tiger5150]

65% of retailers want all workers to be vaccinated and 55% want the introduction of a passport system.

How do you force people to get vaccinated ? Look at the 70+ figure for vaccinations being for first dose at about 80%. 20% of people in such a high risk demographic have chosen not to get vaccinated.

People who are older than 70 often have significant health issues that can be complex. It would be the highest percentage of people with medical reasons that they cant get vaccinated in this age group I am summising. Many of that 20% are likely to have medical conditions that preclude it. Worth considering.

 

[Tiger5150]

Partner runs a pub (when not locked down). All the staff are currently in a zoom meeting with the owner. The advice from the AHA is that the expectations are it will become law that all staff and customers must be vaccinated. He did stress its not mandatory at the moment but highly likely it will be a requirement when lockdown ends.

My BIL is a bit of an anti-vaxxer. His boss has just told he he has to get vaxxed to keep his job. Im glad it is forcing my BIL to get vaxxed but I am very uneasy with anyone being forced, dangerous territory IMO.

 

[swag_tiger]

If the retailers want the system then there is a good chance that it will happen. A lot of businesses say they may not recruit people who are unvaccinated as well.

 

[gregjm87]

Partner runs a pub (when not locked down). All the staff are currently in a zoom meeting with the owner. The advice from the AHA is that the expectations are it will become law that all staff and customers must be vaccinated. He did stress its not mandatory at the moment but highly likely it will be a requirement when lockdown ends.

My BIL is a bit of an anti-vaxxer. His boss has just told he he has to get vaxxed to keep his job. Im glad it is forcing my BIL to get vaxxed but I am very uneasy with anyone being forced, dangerous territory IMO.

Tend to agree, especially after reading your post about un-vax 'events'. This is a logical outcome. Just sharing that the AHA seem to be expecting some sort of vaccine passport for going to the pub.

 

[Tiger5150]

65% of retailers want all workers to be vaccinated and 55% want the introduction of a passport system.

55% is not a high percentage IMO, barely over half. i.e. 45% say no. IMO it will take a much stronger mandate than that (or should).

 

[Tiger Beach]

65% of retailers want all workers to be vaccinated and 55% want the introduction of a passport system.

Retailers that restrict access to their stores to a significant portion of their potential shoppers will ultimately struggle

A 9 News poll (not my go to source but mainstream so can't be accused of an alternative skew) has a 75% NO rate from over 150,000 respondents to the Question, "Should companies make vaccines mandatory for employees?" Not retail granted but I'd imagine it wouldn't deviate massively by employment sectors outside of maybe health related and similar

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Was it the Commonwealth or NSW Govt which advised Moderna is likely to be used as the booster shot? What impact does its use have on the efficacy of AZ and Pfizer?

 

[swag_tiger]

I guess people who aren't vaccinated won't be going to Europe as they have already started the vaccine passports there.

 

[Guest]

The determining factor in whether or not vaccination becomes mandatory in the workplace/society may unfortunately come down to how many people end up dying from COVID.