Coronavirus Outbreak

[hobbo1]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

 

[TigerWest]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

 

[Snake]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

There working on it .

 

[earl]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

There working on it .

Tablets into the water supply ?

 

[Tiger5150]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

There working on it .

I hope not.

 

[Harvey]

I don't like the idea of the government legislating whether businesses can open or people can attend based on whether they are vaccinated.

I do think that this should be driven by market forces and business operators, but the should be forced to be transparent.

I will say that I am basing a lot of the comments below on the evidence that unvaccinated are more likely to get COVID, spread COVID and fall seriously ill of COVID.

I am a business owner:
- Do I want to employ people that are more likely to carry an illness or infect my other staff and customers? What are the implications for me?
- Can I be sued if a customer is infected by a staff member that I know to not be vaccinated?
- Is it work cover if my unvaccinated staff member infects other staff?

If the answer to the above is yes, then I would be choosing to employ vaccinated workers. This would be my choice and if people choose not get vaccinated they are free to look for work in other fields/businesses.

If I am going out for a meal or a drink, I would be looking for a place where I am less likely to encounter someone that will pass on an illness. I would prefer to go somewhere where I know the staff and other patrons are less likely to be ill.

There may be a niche market of businesses that welcome unvaccinated staff and patrons. I would suggest that their business model would be problematic if there is an outbreak.

I do not object to people having the right to make their own decisions, but it annoys me hearing that everyone else has a responsibility allow them to accommodate these decisions regardless.

People are free to make their own decisions, but need to realise that there are consequences that come with it.

If I want to walk around naked and release my bodily waste when and wherever I want, should I be allowed to? What if I want to visit your house with these habits, do you have the right to not let me in?

You have the right to cross the freeway blindfolded, should you do it? I don't like your chances of success. I would suggest most people are probably considerate & would try and avoid you, there would likely be accidents, property loss and maybe even a couple of drivers dying because of a stupid decision that you made.

I actually think that is a pretty good analogy for choosing not to get vaccinated but still expecting to be able to walk around and accommodated by everyone else out there.

 

[Tiger5150]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

Many reasons

1. It is not the purpose or intention to "spread" the vaccine throughout the body. In particular with the mechanism of this vaccine it is not a good thing if that happens. There has been much made of a recent release under a Japanese FoI of Pfizer studies that show that over 48hrs the lipid nanoparticles that house the mRNA of the vaccine accumulate in other organs (particularly bone marrow and ovaries) and those advocating against the vaccines have made a big deal of this because it is true you dont want this happening. I was in fact making a big deal of this at the time. What is not stated in that information (and a big part of why I have changed my mind) is that what ever concentration of lipid particles are found in ovaries etc, it is about 1/100th of the concentration of the lipid nanoparticles that stay at the injection site and this is EXACTLY what it is designed to do.

The reason is that you do not need it to spread to the body. The mRNA "teaches" the native cells to produce a S1unit Spike protein and your immune system learns to react to that so taht if it see the spike protein from the COVID virus it learns to kill that as well. Your immune system just needs to learn what it is and react. It doesnt need it all over your body and in fact there is a fair bit of information that spike proteins throughout your organs are not something you want.

2. Secondly, by swallowing a tablet, it is a different action for absorption and introduction. I dont know this for a fact but I'd assume that the mRNA would create spike proteins in your gastro system and your immune system would react to it there. Might not be what you want.

 

[Tiger Beach]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

There working on it .

Tablets into the water supply ?

We don’t drink that water anyway

 

[Tiger Beach]

Credit to the people at Lakemba. The queue outside the Mosque, which is set up as a vaccination centre, was huge at 6:30am the other day. Stretched as far as the eye could see.

Yeah, news that balances the situation. Just like elsewhere, the vast majority are doing their bit for the common good.

The “Common good” is not always just that

There’s been no shortage of literature based around the dangers of collectivism

I support the rights of the individual

 

[Tiger5150]

Credit to the people at Lakemba. The queue outside the Mosque, which is set up as a vaccination centre, was huge at 6:30am the other day. Stretched as far as the eye could see.

Yeah, news that balances the situation. Just like elsewhere, the vast majority are doing their bit for the common good.

The “Common good” is not always just that

There’s been no shortage of literature based around the dangers of collectivism

I support the rights of the individual

They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Tiger Beach]

Credit to the people at Lakemba. The queue outside the Mosque, which is set up as a vaccination centre, was huge at 6:30am the other day. Stretched as far as the eye could see.

Yeah, news that balances the situation. Just like elsewhere, the vast majority are doing their bit for the common good.

The “Common good” is not always just that

There’s been no shortage of literature based around the dangers of collectivism

I support the rights of the individual

They are not mutually exclusive.

Agree but one is far more dangerous in my opinion

 

[hobbo1]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

Many reasons

1. It is not the purpose or intention to "spread" the vaccine throughout the body. In particular with the mechanism of this vaccine it is not a good thing if that happens. There has been much made of a recent release under a Japanese FoI of Pfizer studies that show that over 48hrs the lipid nanoparticles that house the mRNA of the vaccine accumulate in other organs (particularly bone marrow and ovaries) and those advocating against the vaccines have made a big deal of this because it is true you dont want this happening. I was in fact making a big deal of this at the time. What is not stated in that information (and a big part of why I have changed my mind) is that what ever concentration of lipid particles are found in ovaries etc, it is about 1/100th of the concentration of the lipid nanoparticles that stay at the injection site and this is EXACTLY what it is designed to do.

The reason is that you do not need it to spread to the body. The mRNA "teaches" the native cells to produce a S1unit Spike protein and your immune system learns to react to that so taht if it see the spike protein from the COVID virus it learns to kill that as well. Your immune system just needs to learn what it is and react. It doesnt need it all over your body and in fact there is a fair bit of information that spike proteins throughout your organs are not something you want.

2. Secondly, by swallowing a tablet, it is a different action for absorption and introduction. I dont know this for a fact but I'd assume that the mRNA would create spike proteins in your gastro system and your immune system would react to it there. Might not be what you want.

I just thought that if they can detect traces in the sewage systems why can’t they develop a vaccine to put in our water supply..?
Just a thought..
No one would be the wiser ..

 

[TigerWest]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

Many reasons

1. It is not the purpose or intention to "spread" the vaccine throughout the body. In particular with the mechanism of this vaccine it is not a good thing if that happens. There has been much made of a recent release under a Japanese FoI of Pfizer studies that show that over 48hrs the lipid nanoparticles that house the mRNA of the vaccine accumulate in other organs (particularly bone marrow and ovaries) and those advocating against the vaccines have made a big deal of this because it is true you dont want this happening. I was in fact making a big deal of this at the time. What is not stated in that information (and a big part of why I have changed my mind) is that what ever concentration of lipid particles are found in ovaries etc, it is about 1/100th of the concentration of the lipid nanoparticles that stay at the injection site and this is EXACTLY what it is designed to do.

The reason is that you do not need it to spread to the body. The mRNA "teaches" the native cells to produce a S1unit Spike protein and your immune system learns to react to that so taht if it see the spike protein from the COVID virus it learns to kill that as well. Your immune system just needs to learn what it is and react. It doesnt need it all over your body and in fact there is a fair bit of information that spike proteins throughout your organs are not something you want.

2. Secondly, by swallowing a tablet, it is a different action for absorption and introduction. I dont know this for a fact but I'd assume that the mRNA would create spike proteins in your gastro system and your immune system would react to it there. Might not be what you want.

I just thought that if they can detect traces in the sewage systems why can’t they develop a vaccine to put in our water supply..?
Just a thought..
No one would be the wiser ..

I think they have been doing that sort of thing in QLD for years:joy: :joy: :joy:

 

[Tim Sheens]

it is even more important that each of us has such an option.


Why do people deserve an option especially those over 70. I don't understand your point of view.

Can you explain it to me ?

Yes, immediately after you explain why they do not deserve the same choices that you have.

If it is a brand preference it must be based on medical advice. The reality is that it's the health advice for a reason. That is why we have GP's to escalate your concerns too.

We don't want to go against the health advice without a good medical reason.

I should add I don't understand the argument not to get vaccinated on a personal level. I accept though that people will choose not to get vaccinated and I accept that is their choice.

Doesn't explain why you should have a choice that others don't.

My parents have both had clotting issues, but don't fit the specific 4 conditions that give them automatic access to Pfizer. They have sought medical advice and as they are 87 & 88 respectively with dementia, as a representative of their children I also spoke to their doctor long ago.

My father has multiple medical episodes during his lifetime, from encephalitis having him go back to begin primary school again as a teenager, first of multiple heart attacks at 40yo, lost count of how many pacemakers/batteries which he is now 100% reliant upon, cancer, replacements, blood and clotting etcetera to spend years in hospitals. In between he has mostly been trojan like that few could keep up with.

A sister has finally been able to make arrangements for an appointment in the coming weeks, but for mine and I am pretty sure most of the community would agree, they should have been able to be vaccinated with their recommended option long ago.

I don't know if some of the elderly that have died in this latest outbreak were in a similar position, but I certainly hope not.

 

[earl]

Doesn’t explain why you should have a choice that others don’t.

Definitely not. We should all be subject to the best medical advice. I was just trying to understand why brand name is important to some people. It didn't make any sense to me unless there was a medical reason.

I don't want to have any special access. I should follow the health advice and assess the need for vaccination and the risks I have within the current situation.

It's not a political issue. It's a health issue.

 

[earl]

I don’t know if some of the elderly that have died in this latest outbreak were in a similar position, but I certainly hope not.

I really hope anyone that has died was following the health advice specific to their scenario. I suppose it sucks either way. I think the health advise has been good.

The situation sucks.

 

[tigger]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

Many reasons

1. It is not the purpose or intention to "spread" the vaccine throughout the body. In particular with the mechanism of this vaccine it is not a good thing if that happens. There has been much made of a recent release under a Japanese FoI of Pfizer studies that show that over 48hrs the lipid nanoparticles that house the mRNA of the vaccine accumulate in other organs (particularly bone marrow and ovaries) and those advocating against the vaccines have made a big deal of this because it is true you dont want this happening. I was in fact making a big deal of this at the time. What is not stated in that information (and a big part of why I have changed my mind) is that what ever concentration of lipid particles are found in ovaries etc, it is about 1/100th of the concentration of the lipid nanoparticles that stay at the injection site and this is EXACTLY what it is designed to do.

The reason is that you do not need it to spread to the body. The mRNA "teaches" the native cells to produce a S1unit Spike protein and your immune system learns to react to that so taht if it see the spike protein from the COVID virus it learns to kill that as well. Your immune system just needs to learn what it is and react. It doesnt need it all over your body and in fact there is a fair bit of information that spike proteins throughout your organs are not something you want.

2. Secondly, by swallowing a tablet, it is a different action for absorption and introduction. I dont know this for a fact but I'd assume that the mRNA would create spike proteins in your gastro system and your immune system would react to it there. Might not be what you want.

I just thought that if they can detect traces in the sewage systems why can’t they develop a vaccine to put in our water supply..?
Just a thought..
No one would be the wiser ..

Medicated beer. Get a six pack of "Vax".

 

[hobbo1]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

Many reasons

1. It is not the purpose or intention to "spread" the vaccine throughout the body. In particular with the mechanism of this vaccine it is not a good thing if that happens. There has been much made of a recent release under a Japanese FoI of Pfizer studies that show that over 48hrs the lipid nanoparticles that house the mRNA of the vaccine accumulate in other organs (particularly bone marrow and ovaries) and those advocating against the vaccines have made a big deal of this because it is true you dont want this happening. I was in fact making a big deal of this at the time. What is not stated in that information (and a big part of why I have changed my mind) is that what ever concentration of lipid particles are found in ovaries etc, it is about 1/100th of the concentration of the lipid nanoparticles that stay at the injection site and this is EXACTLY what it is designed to do.

The reason is that you do not need it to spread to the body. The mRNA "teaches" the native cells to produce a S1unit Spike protein and your immune system learns to react to that so taht if it see the spike protein from the COVID virus it learns to kill that as well. Your immune system just needs to learn what it is and react. It doesnt need it all over your body and in fact there is a fair bit of information that spike proteins throughout your organs are not something you want.

2. Secondly, by swallowing a tablet, it is a different action for absorption and introduction. I dont know this for a fact but I'd assume that the mRNA would create spike proteins in your gastro system and your immune system would react to it there. Might not be what you want.

I just thought that if they can detect traces in the sewage systems why can’t they develop a vaccine to put in our water supply..?
Just a thought..
No one would be the wiser ..

Medicated beer. Get a six pack of "Vax".

Or even a hidden vax chip in a packet of Doritos

 

[Don Kershane]

Does anyone think there could be someone driving around regional NSW with covid having a dump into their various sewerage systems? An arsonist maybe. Waiting for a conspiracy theorist to jump on this one.

 

[Tiger5150]

Does anyone think there could be someone driving around regional NSW with covid having a dump into their various sewerage systems? An arsonist maybe. Waiting for a conspiracy theorist to jump on this one.

That is one hell of a theory. Just visualising this guy, sweating, struggling to breathe, blue around the lips…..” must….push…..on…must…..get to Tamworth to dump in sewerage…to throw everyone off….”

Having mocked your wild theory, I do have to say that in that long beautiful period when we had no cases, they regularly announced that such and such sewerage system had traces but there were never cases coming from it. A few times it was my local system. Could have been this poor guy.