Coronavirus Outbreak

[TillLindemann]

If I was in a state like WA, SA or Queensland, I would be very hesitant about being pushed to open up to NSW travellers, even with increased vaccination rates.

WA/SA & Qld are in the enviable position of contributing 3/5ths of bugger all to the national GDP and therefore they can sit back whilst NSW and Sydney have to reopen to drive the nations economy. Should be reflected in the GST handbacks though.

I wouldn't say that, Western Australian mining, iron ore especially, is all but keeping this nation afloat.

That is the trope, perpetuated by WA, but simply not true. They are responsible for 15% of national GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_states_and_territories_by_gross_state_product

EDIT: For clarification, WA is responsible for the lions share of exports 36.5% and this is what the trope is based on however GDP isnt simply exports/imports (that is balance of trade) and Sydney is responsible for 80% of Aus financial income.

GDP can be a poor measure. Exports bring new money into Australia. But Sydneysiders selling coffees and houses to each other doesn't bring new money in, it just circulates money.

 

[Demps]


 

[Tiger5150]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

 

[Cultured_Bogan]


I still have both lol
#tradiesrule

Tradies are hectic.

Can install a fence, install a gutter, paint a house, put a light in... all this stuff.

Still can't find a garbage bin though.
Leave coffee cups in ya garden.
#Genius.

The tradies my dad hired broke down our Garage door because no one was there when they arrived to fix the roof.

They were probably Travellers.

 

[Demps]


 

[Pascoes_barber]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

 

[tigger]

Sydney is responsible for 80% of Aus financial income

Do you think that this might be because most companies have their head office in Sydney? (I.e. regardless of where in Australia the income is generated, it is accounted for in Sydney).

If Sydney was genuinely responsible for 80% of Australia's financial income then that would exclude all mining, agriculture, fisheries etc, none of which actually happens in Sydney (and only some of which happens in NSW).

However, if NSW is the economic powerhouse that drives the nation, then perhaps we would all have been better served it our governments had been a little less cavalier about protecting it.

 

[Tiger5150]

If I was in a state like WA, SA or Queensland, I would be very hesitant about being pushed to open up to NSW travellers, even with increased vaccination rates.

WA/SA & Qld are in the enviable position of contributing 3/5ths of bugger all to the national GDP and therefore they can sit back whilst NSW and Sydney have to reopen to drive the nations economy. Should be reflected in the GST handbacks though.

WA provide far more than its fare share of GST. If GST was retained, WA would be in a very strong position.

Also not correct. WA collects 10% of the nations GST. WA has 10% of Australias population. WA is not providing more than its fair share.

NSW collected $21.2B in 2018/19, WA collected $ 6.925B. WA gets screwed on the carve up but that is because they have access to resource royalties that the other states dont get. Simply not true. NSW collects by far the biggest share of GST and three times as much as WA.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2014/July/GST-Relativities-Where-Is-Revenue-Raised

 

[Cultured_Bogan]


I still have both lol
#tradiesrule

Bunnings Card for life.

 

[tigger]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

Vic scaled back their numbers in June 2021. There is a quote somewhere from Dan Andrews as to why. I'll see if I can find it

 

[Tiger5150]

Sydney is responsible for 80% of Aus financial income

Do you think that this might be because most companies have their head office in Sydney? (I.e. regardless of where in Australia the income is generated, it is accounted for in Sydney).

If Sydney was genuinely responsible for 80% of Australia's financial income then that would exclude all mining, agriculture, fisheries etc, none of which actually happens in Sydney (and only some of which happens in NSW).

However, if NSW is the economic powerhouse that drives the nation, then perhaps we would all have been better served it our governments had been a little less cavalier about protecting it.

Chicken and egg....why are they in Sydney?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

If I was in a state like WA, SA or Queensland, I would be very hesitant about being pushed to open up to NSW travellers, even with increased vaccination rates.

WA/SA & Qld are in the enviable position of contributing 3/5ths of bugger all to the national GDP and therefore they can sit back whilst NSW and Sydney have to reopen to drive the nations economy. Should be reflected in the GST handbacks though.

WA provide far more than its fare share of GST. If GST was retained, WA would be in a very strong position.

Also not correct.

NSW collected $21.2B in 2018/19, WA collected $ 6.925B. WA gets screwed on the carve up but that is because they have access to resource royalties that the other states dont get. Simply not true. NSW collects by far the biggest share of GST and three times as much as WA.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2014/July/GST-Relativities-Where-Is-Revenue-Raised

I wrote that WA would be in a strong position if it retained its GST.

I also wrote that all States take returned travellers regardless of numbers but I believe Tasmania takes overseas students.

 

[tigger]

Sydney is responsible for 80% of Aus financial income

Do you think that this might be because most companies have their head office in Sydney? (I.e. regardless of where in Australia the income is generated, it is accounted for in Sydney).

If Sydney was genuinely responsible for 80% of Australia's financial income then that would exclude all mining, agriculture, fisheries etc, none of which actually happens in Sydney (and only some of which happens in NSW).

However, if NSW is the economic powerhouse that drives the nation, then perhaps we would all have been better served it our governments had been a little less cavalier about protecting it.

Chicken and egg....why are they in Sydney?

Just historic I think. In the industry in which I worked, most companies had their head offices in Sydney, but revenues were generated across all states broadly in line with the economic footprint of those states.

I don't think you have a strong here, mate

 

[hobbo1]


I still have both lol
#tradiesrule

Bunnings Card for life.

Power pass ??

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Prof John Dwyer on 9 advised we should be doubling down on our lockdown pain to reduce our infection numbers. Absolutely no lifting of any restrictions.

 

[Tiger5150]

If I was in a state like WA, SA or Queensland, I would be very hesitant about being pushed to open up to NSW travellers, even with increased vaccination rates.

WA/SA & Qld are in the enviable position of contributing 3/5ths of bugger all to the national GDP and therefore they can sit back whilst NSW and Sydney have to reopen to drive the nations economy. Should be reflected in the GST handbacks though.

WA provide far more than its fare share of GST. If GST was retained, WA would be in a very strong position.

Also not correct.

NSW collected $21.2B in 2018/19, WA collected $ 6.925B. WA gets screwed on the carve up but that is because they have access to resource royalties that the other states dont get. Simply not true. NSW collects by far the biggest share of GST and three times as much as WA.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2014/July/GST-Relativities-Where-Is-Revenue-Raised

I wrote that WA would be in a strong position if it retained its GST.

I also wrote that all States take returned travellers regardless of numbers but I believe Tasmania takes overseas students.

YOu said WA would be in a strong position if it retained its GST, in response to my post regarding % of the nations economy.

WA collects 10% of Aus GST, they have 10% of Aus population.

If they got to retain more of it they would obviously be better off, but if we are going to start to pick and choose which parts of the taxation system get applied, they might have to share more of their state resource royalties. You cant pick and choose.

 

[Snake]

My opinions, and it's nothing more than that, is if Scummo and Gladbags are referring to 70% then 80% of the total population being vaccinated, then that is less harmful than 70% - 80% of the eligible population, as right now the eligible does not include kids younger than 16yo.

As they are political to their core, I'm sure they would not want to go to elections with the reputation of being the leaders who allowed our kids to become infected with covid, just to get some money back into the pockets of their biggest backers.

But, hey, maybe they're more arrogant and compromised than even I thought.

The kids are already infected and being infected at an alarming rate do your research !

 

[tigger]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*