Coronavirus Outbreak

[swag_tiger]

I have mine on Thursday. My mate got his pushed forward from Oct to this Wednesday. They are ramping up Pfizer for the people aged 20 to 30.

 

[Demps]

As I said earlier if you don't wanna get vaccinated or get a vaxx passport good luck travelling anywhere outside of your state of residence

Tomorrow is the big day for me.
Round 1.


Noticed services sent out an email.
Pushing for everyone to book in.

Mandatory for health care workers.
Apparently I fall into this category.

Keen.
Hopefully it works out fine, no effects.

Anything happens to me, give me gym gear to @TheDaBoss

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The Israel experience of opening at 80%. I worry for our children who cannot be vaccinated yet. I also worry about our PM. I've seen greater sincerity on the faces of cobras and I've seen quite a few of them.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/israel-shows-what-life-looks-like-at-80-per-cent-vaccinated/100394760

 

[happy_tiger]

As I said earlier if you don't wanna get vaccinated or get a vaxx passport good luck travelling anywhere outside of your state of residence. That includes international travel too.

I told the Mrs you won't be able to watch kids sport without the vax ......that changed her tune

 

[pawsandclaws1]

As I said earlier if you don't wanna get vaccinated or get a vaxx passport good luck travelling anywhere outside of your state of residence. That includes international travel too.

I told the Mrs you won't be able to watch kids sport without the vax ......that changed her tune

If you believe we are going to be able to travel out of State, you may be in for a rude shock.

 

[earl]

The Israel experience of opening at 80%. I worry for our children who cannot be vaccinated yet. I also worry about our PM. I've seen greater sincerity on the faces of cobras and I've seen quite a few of them.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/israel-shows-what-life-looks-like-at-80-per-cent-vaccinated/100394760

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/doherty-institute-boss-says-reopening-still-safe-with-hundreds-of-daily-covid-cases-20210823-p58lah.html

>“The really big important issue about moving from phase A to phase B is that we’re moving out of an environment of zero-COVID,” she told the ABC’s The Drum program on Monday evening. “Zero-COVID is no longer the goal once you have 70 to 80 per cent of people vaccinated. Whether you start at 30 cases or 800 cases you can still open up safely.”
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>“**With 70 per cent vaccination you will get hundreds of thousands of cases, even starting from 30 cases.** However, in the presence of vaccination, your deaths and hospitalisations will be greatly reduced. With the addition of public health measures you can also contain those infections.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/youngest-prioritised-in-planned-staggered-return-to-school-next-term-20210823-p58l93.html

I'm trusting the epidemiologists and the science. They are stating no matter what you start from cases are going to skyrocket. We should all be prepared for this.

Kids are back at school all over the world.

I have a 10 yo. I also have a 17 yo doing the HSC. My 17 yo has been vaccinated. I don't think we can wait and vaccinate all the kids prior to returning to school. Vaccination for kids might not even be a good option. The science isn't clear on this just yet.

 

[earl]

Paediatric units are overflowing wherever this variant has gotten a good hold.

I'm trusting the science. It's been right so far.

When the science fails then we should question it. It hasn't so far. It's held up remarkably well.

 

[earl]

As I said earlier if you don't wanna get vaccinated or get a vaxx passport good luck travelling anywhere outside of your state of residence. That includes international travel too.

I told the Mrs you won't be able to watch kids sport without the vax ......that changed her tune

If you believe we are going to be able to travel out of State, you may be in for a rude shock.

You may be right but I think this will only be for states that don't follow the health advice. My prediction is that those states that don't follow the health advice will have people rebelling against their government at some point.

 

[tigger]

This is an interesting article from the Financial Review. It's not a difficult read.
It does raise some questions around a critical assumption that underpins the Doherty Report. The most interesting aspect for me is the response from the Doherty Institute that the very low R factor (by international standards) underpinning their assumptions is based on the fact that health authorities will continue the work of contact tracing, mandates to wear masks etc..

So effectively the institute is saying that that even without lockdowns there will need to be restrictions. It also leaves me a bit confused about the reports predictions being reliant on adequate contact tracing. I'm wondering how effective that contact tracing will be when one state alone is suffering 800+ infections a day.

I'm sceptical because the spin doctors have been all over the coronavirus issue since things started going pear shaped and I'm just not sure that anything coming from our government is truthful.

I don't want to continue with lockdowns for any longer than we have to, both for personal and economic reasons. I am an advocate of vaccination and have been fully vaccinated for some time now. At the same time, I don't want to waste all the good work to date and be plunged into a crisis. I think it is reasonable that the output of the Doherty Report should be challenged at subjected to rigorous debate.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-doherty-report-20210803-p58fjv

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

hi up 2,id guess

675 meters…panoramic
Is that you in the distance ?

Did they finally blow the Nepean bridge?

 

[hobbo1]

hi up 2,id guess

675 meters…panoramic
Is that you in the distance ?

Did they finally blow the Nepean bridge?

Nah that’s @Merlot on a scenic session lol

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The Israel experience of opening at 80%. I worry for our children who cannot be vaccinated yet. I also worry about our PM. I've seen greater sincerity on the faces of cobras and I've seen quite a few of them.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/israel-shows-what-life-looks-like-at-80-per-cent-vaccinated/100394760

I don't think Israel is a great test case. A large part of the population is Palestinian and I believe the Palestinian territories are well behind on vaccination. I believe I also read the take up was slow in East Jerusalem.

Iceland would be a better case of what it would look like for us (single island nation,) which appears to be a lot better.

 

[earl]

So effectively the institute is saying that that even without lockdowns there will need to be restrictions. It also leaves me a bit confused about the reports predictions being reliant on adequate contact tracing. I’m wondering how effective that contact tracing will be when one state alone is suffering 800+ infections a day.

I've mentioned this previously.

Forget harsh lockdowns like we are in now. That would be an extreme response.

You have contract tracing plus quarantine as a way to slow the spread. The higher the case numbers the less effective this is.

The only limiting factor is the health systems ability to handle the additional load.

Here is the thing - we have to open up at some point. It's going to be bad because we have so little natural immunity. It's going to pass though.

We should also be very clear - there is no spin. This is epidemiological modelling and we have the best data-set I've ever seen and probably anyone has ever seen when it comes to modelling this situation.

We should keep politics out of this discussion. There should be bi-partisanship support of the Doherty report and any politician who goes against this should rightly be called out for playing politics rather than doing their civic duty.

Crunch time is coming up.

 

[earl]

The Israel experience of opening at 80%. I worry for our children who cannot be vaccinated yet. I also worry about our PM. I've seen greater sincerity on the faces of cobras and I've seen quite a few of them.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/israel-shows-what-life-looks-like-at-80-per-cent-vaccinated/100394760

I don't think Israel is a great test case. A large part of the population is Palestinian and I believe the Palestinian territories are well behind on vaccination. I believe I also read the take up was slow in East Jerusalem.

Iceland would be a better case of what it would look like for us (single island nation,) which appears to be a lot better.

Read the article. It's more alarmist than the reality of the situation suggests. Restrictions exist such as having to wear masks indoors and having to be vaccinated to attend certain events.

The whole developed world is opening up. We are way behind the curve. That cannot last. The science states we will be fine and we have no choice.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The Israel experience of opening at 80%. I worry for our children who cannot be vaccinated yet. I also worry about our PM. I've seen greater sincerity on the faces of cobras and I've seen quite a few of them.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/israel-shows-what-life-looks-like-at-80-per-cent-vaccinated/100394760

I don't think Israel is a great test case. A large part of the population is Palestinian and I believe the Palestinian territories are well behind on vaccination. I believe I also read the take up was slow in East Jerusalem.

Iceland would be a better case of what it would look like for us (single island nation,) which appears to be a lot better.

Read the article. It's more alarmist than the reality of the situation suggests. Restrictions exist such as having to wear masks indoors and having to be vaccinated to attend certain events.

The whole developed world is opening up. We are way behind the curve. That cannot last. The science states we will be fine and we have no choice.

I read the article.

I have read other articles suggesting that Israel is not a great example as there's large swathes of the population who are not vaccinated. The Israeli territories might largely be, but in the West Bank and Gaza it's probably a very different story as Palestine has to manage their own vaccines under the Oslo Accords (not sure if that is both territories or just limited to Gaza.)

We should be looking at the likes of Iceland as an indicator for what a large vaccination programme will do for the country.

I am also not advocating we stay closed forever either, not sure why you're assuming I am taking that position. Get at least 80% of the population jabbed, start to open up. Have federal quarantine facilities for unvaccinated international visitors while the remnants of the population get jabbed and then once everyone who can and wants to be vaccinated is, the quarantine can then probably be dismantled.

 

[earl]

I am also not advocating we stay closed forever either, not sure why you’re assuming I am taking that position

I'm not stating that at all. I think we are on the same page. Personally I don't think the data out of Israel is that bad.

 

[full80]

yup exactly everything ennis said is correct, we simply cant attract anyone and now its becoming so evident no one wants to come to Tigers.. Im not bothered about Thompson on that money but i just cant see any future and that is so worrying. The young kids look good but they cant do it on their own..Questions have to be asked of Madge now but nothing will change as we all know. Pascoe will just say we have a centre of Excellence next year and the club is going well financially. Unfortunately all we care about are on field results and Pascoe doesnt care about that.

Good old Ennis - always good for a baggin' (he did it on the field like a grub, and is doing it off the field).

What is the solution Ennis?

What do the Tigers do to attract players Ennis?

Oh! they don't want to go to the Tigers, the tigers aren't interested in being a retirement home (like they have been), the Tigers just aren't interested in buying losers or the Tigers aren't interested in paying massive overs (like they have previously).

Well, well, what is your answer dopey? Big on putting the boot in but like most of your comments on fox, you don't back it up with answers.

As a commentator or analyst - you would make a great bricklayer.

I suggest you leave us to work out our problems and try and help the "Dogs" work out how to stay under the cap.

Agree mate.
Easy for these flogs to bag us but no solutions.
I'm sure they have seen or been in similar situations in their careers

Well all the ex footballers turn commentators are usually blokes who had successful careers, you don’t see many Nofoalumas or Brooks type players end up calling the game, what would they bring to the table besides a wealth of knowledge about losing.
And I agree they don’t really offer solutions but can you?
I can’t.
Until we start winning games and blood some more quality juniors who can actually play as a unit we are not going to attract the personal we need.
If it was a job and you had the chance of joining a successful business in a Coastal town like Newcastle or Cronulla or Bondi, Or a place out west that struggles year after year what would you choose?
Penrith are a great example of what we need to emulate to be where we all wish our club could be.
Stack the team with juniors that have played together for a few years and know each other, create an atmosphere they don’t want to leave, give them time to because it won’t happen overnight.
This ideal that buying a crop of big names and becoming dominant is not an option for us so stop thinking it is.
Juniors are the only way this club will ever get out of the cellar.


This is what we need to keep together...
https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/08/23/35-down-jersey-flegg/

Ben is a very articulate young man. Very strategic in his thinking and thankful for the opportunities in the Wests Tigers system.

All these Jersey Flegg boys and HM & SG Ball players and the Juniors to come are being destroyed by this bloody Flu!

This is the real human tragedy folks - our kids are being denied their natural growth as humans by a dodgy bug no more dangerous than the Flu or Common Cold.

It can't continue like this.

COVIDS not the flu. I have two people close to me who have had it. I also know someone who has died from it. I would not want my kids to catch it. As a parent of teens I know just how much these lockdown and restrictions are affecting them, and it is a true tragedy for time and experiences they will never get back, but I would not let my kid play a sport now unless the team's are vaccinated. Just a personal view.

 

[mike]

I find it annoying that some people say that the disease doesn't have the signs of a deadly one. They fail to realise that lockdown is one of the reasons.

I did some rough numbers on this.

UK/USA have had about 2000 deaths per million people. Data from here:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Australia has a population of about 25 million.
Say we get to 80% vaccinated and everyone who is vaccinated is safe. That leaves 20% of the population as the percentage exposed to COVID.
In that scenario we'd get 10,000 deaths.

The flaws in those numbers are as follows:-

**1. The 2000 deaths per million population is over the course of the pandemic and not 1 year.**
2. That scenario assumes no deaths for vaccinated people.
3. Getting to 80% may be hard.

More people would die of heart disease and dementia compared to COVID.

Lower vaccination rates would chance the picture completely. If we were completely unvaccinated you are looking at 50 000 deaths which would be our biggest killer by far.

Happy for anyone to come up with rougher figures or point our anything I missed.

The way I view it though is if we can somehow get people vaccinated this isn't a big issue. The unvaccinated will also develop COVID and then develop immunity so deaths should decrease over time.

If people don't get vaccinated this would be a catastrophe. People are getting vaccinated though. From yesterdays figures I get a figure of 56% first dose protected in NSW. If we get to 80% by end of this lockdown and people follow through I think we can basically beat this.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout

For every 528 people in the US a person has died of Covid-19. 1 in 528. Think about that for a minute. That probable equates to 1 person in every street or two has died of Covid-19 in the US.

>**It's about 2 percent of the population**. It's freaken horrendous.

I get a couple of broad takings out of this:-

1. Lockdowns/border closures in Australia have saved so many lives.
2. The Delta strain coming late in the pandemic has been exceptionally lucky for us. It's bad it's here but if the virus was this contagious at the start I think we'd be similar to the UK or the US.
3. Vaccines are going to save so many lives.

This has been bothering me since you posted it and it needs to be corrected. You are out by a couple of orders of magnitude. It’s not 2% but approximately 0.02% of the population. I can do the maths for you if you like.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

yup exactly everything ennis said is correct, we simply cant attract anyone and now its becoming so evident no one wants to come to Tigers.. Im not bothered about Thompson on that money but i just cant see any future and that is so worrying. The young kids look good but they cant do it on their own..Questions have to be asked of Madge now but nothing will change as we all know. Pascoe will just say we have a centre of Excellence next year and the club is going well financially. Unfortunately all we care about are on field results and Pascoe doesnt care about that.

Good old Ennis - always good for a baggin' (he did it on the field like a grub, and is doing it off the field).

What is the solution Ennis?

What do the Tigers do to attract players Ennis?

Oh! they don't want to go to the Tigers, the tigers aren't interested in being a retirement home (like they have been), the Tigers just aren't interested in buying losers or the Tigers aren't interested in paying massive overs (like they have previously).

Well, well, what is your answer dopey? Big on putting the boot in but like most of your comments on fox, you don't back it up with answers.

As a commentator or analyst - you would make a great bricklayer.

I suggest you leave us to work out our problems and try and help the "Dogs" work out how to stay under the cap.

Agree mate.
Easy for these flogs to bag us but no solutions.
I'm sure they have seen or been in similar situations in their careers

Well all the ex footballers turn commentators are usually blokes who had successful careers, you don’t see many Nofoalumas or Brooks type players end up calling the game, what would they bring to the table besides a wealth of knowledge about losing.
And I agree they don’t really offer solutions but can you?
I can’t.
Until we start winning games and blood some more quality juniors who can actually play as a unit we are not going to attract the personal we need.
If it was a job and you had the chance of joining a successful business in a Coastal town like Newcastle or Cronulla or Bondi, Or a place out west that struggles year after year what would you choose?
Penrith are a great example of what we need to emulate to be where we all wish our club could be.
Stack the team with juniors that have played together for a few years and know each other, create an atmosphere they don’t want to leave, give them time to because it won’t happen overnight.
This ideal that buying a crop of big names and becoming dominant is not an option for us so stop thinking it is.
Juniors are the only way this club will ever get out of the cellar.


This is what we need to keep together...
https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/08/23/35-down-jersey-flegg/

Ben is a very articulate young man. Very strategic in his thinking and thankful for the opportunities in the Wests Tigers system.

All these Jersey Flegg boys and HM & SG Ball players and the Juniors to come are being destroyed by this bloody Flu!

This is the real human tragedy folks - our kids are being denied their natural growth as humans by a dodgy bug no more dangerous than the Flu or Common Cold.

It can't continue like this.


COVIDS not the flu. I have two people close to me who have had it. I also know someone who has died from it. I would not want my kids to catch it. As a parent of teens I know just how much these lockdown and restrictions are affecting them, and it is a true tragedy for time and experiences they will never get back, but I would not let my kid play a sport now unless the team's are vaccinated. Just a personal view.

Agree that Covid is not the flu. This is a headline from a story in the SMH now online

PM says Australia will soon treat COVID-19 ‘like the flu’

 

[earl]

I find it annoying that some people say that the disease doesn't have the signs of a deadly one. They fail to realise that lockdown is one of the reasons.

I did some rough numbers on this.

UK/USA have had about 2000 deaths per million people. Data from here:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Australia has a population of about 25 million.
Say we get to 80% vaccinated and everyone who is vaccinated is safe. That leaves 20% of the population as the percentage exposed to COVID.
In that scenario we'd get 10,000 deaths.

The flaws in those numbers are as follows:-

**1. The 2000 deaths per million population is over the course of the pandemic and not 1 year.**
2. That scenario assumes no deaths for vaccinated people.
3. Getting to 80% may be hard.

More people would die of heart disease and dementia compared to COVID.

Lower vaccination rates would chance the picture completely. If we were completely unvaccinated you are looking at 50 000 deaths which would be our biggest killer by far.

Happy for anyone to come up with rougher figures or point our anything I missed.

The way I view it though is if we can somehow get people vaccinated this isn't a big issue. The unvaccinated will also develop COVID and then develop immunity so deaths should decrease over time.

If people don't get vaccinated this would be a catastrophe. People are getting vaccinated though. From yesterdays figures I get a figure of 56% first dose protected in NSW. If we get to 80% by end of this lockdown and people follow through I think we can basically beat this.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout

For every 528 people in the US a person has died of Covid-19. 1 in 528. Think about that for a minute. That probable equates to 1 person in every street or two has died of Covid-19 in the US.

>**It's about 2 percent of the population**. It's freaken horrendous.

I get a couple of broad takings out of this:-

1. Lockdowns/border closures in Australia have saved so many lives.
2. The Delta strain coming late in the pandemic has been exceptionally lucky for us. It's bad it's here but if the virus was this contagious at the start I think we'd be similar to the UK or the US.
3. Vaccines are going to save so many lives.

This has been bothering me since you posted it and it needs to be corrected. You are out by a couple of orders of magnitude. It’s not 2% but approximately 0.02% of the population. I can do the maths for you if you like.

It was already corrected. I didn't add the correct decimal point. The numbers are correct but the percentage is incorrect.

It's 2000 people per million that have died from the virus. That is significant. I think it is .2% of the population. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I also think the figure for heart disease is about 0.072 % of the population.

So without vaccines and with less restrictions than what Australia has had you get a lot of deaths from COVID. It's not a joke.