Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cultured_Bogan]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

My wife is unsure of vaccines yet, I am supportive of her reluctance as there is only one large study performed on 35,000 pregnant women in the US, and there has only been follow ups on 900 odd of them who have given birth.

No one can give her any local studies or decision making as to why they have changed the narrative from don't get vaccinated to get vaccinated, my guess is it is just risk assessment. There was no COVID for ages and little risk, now there is and now it's a big problem so women in high risk areas are being advised to get jabbed.

 

[Tiger5150]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

EDIT: Im sorry I didnt read the end of your posts saying "not just government bodies" and mindlessly posted the Govt advice.

Good luck to you and your wife mate. Should be an exciting time and can be nerve wracking enough without Covid. Try to enjoy this time.

 

[Tim Sheens]

When you have five scum caught by Police at Leppington all of whom are Covid positive (and knew it and were supposedly isolating), the situation in the South West and West will never improve but get worse.

While I agree, to a degree, lets put it into perspective. All five were already Covid positive, sitting at a table on the footpath. As long as they didn't interact with anyone else they were not endangering the community. To call them scum is a bit over the top. Yes they breached health orders and should have been fined but let's not vilify them for this act.

Don't disagree with the general sentiment and the being a group, but they deserve to be locked up for the stupidity of doing so on a footpath in full public view alone.

 

[voice_of_reason]

My wife is unsure of vaccines yet, I am supportive of her reluctance as there is only one large study performed on 35,000 pregnant women in the US, and there has only been follow ups on 900 odd of them who have given birth.

No one can give her any local studies or decision making as to why they have changed the narrative from don't get vaccinated to get vaccinated, my guess is it is just risk assessment. There was no COVID for ages and little risk, now there is and now it's a big problem so women in high risk areas are being advised to get jabbed.

I can understand her reluctance given her situation. I wonder if there are any studies on the severity of COVID on pregnant women?

Good luck to you both, whichever way you proceed.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

My wife is unsure of vaccines yet, I am supportive of her reluctance as there is only one large study performed on 35,000 pregnant women in the US, and there has only been follow ups on 900 odd of them who have given birth.

No one can give her any local studies or decision making as to why they have changed the narrative from don't get vaccinated to get vaccinated, my guess is it is just risk assessment. There was no COVID for ages and little risk, now there is and now it's a big problem so women in high risk areas are being advised to get jabbed.

I can understand her reluctance given her situation. I wonder if there are any studies on the severity of COVID on pregnant women?

Good luck to you both, whichever way you proceed.

There's not enough conclusive evidence either way.

I am getting vaccinated next week (finally,) my son is homeschooled. When it is absolutely necessary for anything outside of exercise I am the one who leaves the house. My risk of contracting goes down drastically which in turn protects her.

If anything comes forward to say that it is safe for pregnancies, she'll definitely go out and get it.

 

[wicked_j]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

My wife is in the same situation. After speaking to her midwife earlier in the week then her GP on Saturday, she decided to get it. She originally wanted to wait until after she'd given birth, but she isn't due until Jan / Feb and we're in a hot spot. Definitely the risk of being vaccinated vs unvaccinated was a factor, especially with the number of hospital visits she has had already and will need going forward.

 

[nuggetron]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

My wife is unsure of vaccines yet, I am supportive of her reluctance as there is only one large study performed on 35,000 pregnant women in the US, and there has only been follow ups on 900 odd of them who have given birth.

No one can give her any local studies or decision making as to why they have changed the narrative from don't get vaccinated to get vaccinated, my guess is it is just risk assessment. There was no COVID for ages and little risk, now there is and now it's a big problem so women in high risk areas are being advised to get jabbed.

plus the problem with that study if its the same one i'm thinking of it was pfizer and moderna and no separation between the two plus the cohort was snowballed rather than a randomly chosen group and self reported symptoms etc.

as you say there hasn't been much in terms of the follows up post birth, and the first few formative years; partly because vaccines haven't been available or recommended for a long enough time to get that information, plus the challenges of each birth and even if you have had 3 kids the 4th during a vaccine comes out different doesn't necessarily correlate to the vaccine

 

[nuggetron]

My wife is unsure of vaccines yet, I am supportive of her reluctance as there is only one large study performed on 35,000 pregnant women in the US, and there has only been follow ups on 900 odd of them who have given birth.

No one can give her any local studies or decision making as to why they have changed the narrative from don't get vaccinated to get vaccinated, my guess is it is just risk assessment. There was no COVID for ages and little risk, now there is and now it's a big problem so women in high risk areas are being advised to get jabbed.

I can understand her reluctance given her situation. I wonder if there are any studies on the severity of COVID on pregnant women?

Good luck to you both, whichever way you proceed.

There's not enough conclusive evidence either way.

I am getting vaccinated next week (finally,) my son is homeschooled. When it is absolutely necessary for anything outside of exercise I am the one who leaves the house. My risk of contracting goes down drastically which in turn protects her.

If anything comes forward to say that it is safe for pregnancies, she'll definitely go out and get it.

that's what we were practicing, she pretty much only leave home to take the little one to preschool and then back home to work from home (which we are pretty sure is still ok?)
head out for walks etc around the suburb and avoid others whilst walking but she is getting home bound and has ran out to woolies up the road to grab stuff just to escape home

 

[tigger]

Amazing to think people still think this way...gotta be a gee up

They’ll come around soon enough when they realise they can’t do anything without it.

No, not a gee up but reality. See I'll get vaccinated providing I feel safe with it, was thinking of Moderna but today read about 2 deaths in Japan from it in their 30s, people unlikely to have died from the virus. And 1 death from Pfiizer in NZ.
And then once vaccinated am I safe or only in a relative sense? Will I feel free or still restricted And will I need boosters every 6 months?

See if I don't feel safe with the vaccine I'm better off taking my chances with the virus,at the end of the day catching it hopefully light is the best proven long term immunity

Furthermore, once vaccinated why will I need to check in with QR codes? Imagine one could go to a WT game check in, see a heartless loss and then get told you are a close contact and have to self isolate for 2 weeks. Then there could be another variant and back in lockdown.

Right from the very beginning the way this was handled from China down, makes one wonder how in this day and age experts could get this so wrong. Does anybody remember the WHO in January 2020 coming out and saying that the virus only transmits from animals to people not people to people! Why didn't experts around the world advise their governments to isolate China before Xmas 2019. Then we heard vacines will give us herd immunity etc etc.

I've lost confidence and am starting to believe restrictions will be long term.
Hope I'm wrong.

The lockdowns won’t last. There will be a revolution if they go beyond Christmas, if not sooner.

Lol in form of what, protests? I’ve never known a group of people in such a position of weakness, act as if they are in such a position of power.

No, but people are fed up. I hear the same every day from all sorts of people from all economic circumstances. The clock is ticking, and the lockdowns must end soon otherwise Governments will suffer the consequences when their constituents turn on them.

I agree.

Said it since the start...

Good luck keeping Australians locked inside on 35 degree days when there's beaches close by.

Needs to be sorted by summer.

Hoping we are nearing that 70%

I'll bet Gladys is nervous as hell as we approach that 70% target, wondering what promises of freedom she will have to renege on as pressures on our health system increase by the day.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are very irate about the continual promises and carrot dangling by her as we approached the last vaccination target only to be given stuff all.

I just get the feeling that as we get towards 70% that the goal post is moved to 80% and who knows where we go to after that.

This issue about pressures on the health system has me intrigued.
We are constantly hearing reports that our health systems are under pressure and that the situation is only going to get worse.
If I understand the recent statements from the Doherty Institute, they are saying that the blowout in infection numbers in NSW doesn't actually change their modelling. The same numbers of infections will occur once restrictions are eased, (70% and 80% vax) it's just that we (NSW, I assume and perhaps Vic) will be further along that curve than would have been the case at the time of easing, if that blowout hadn't occurred.
So, in the grand plan, we would always get to the same peak in infections numbers at some stage in the strategy for easing restrictions.
So how come our health systems are going to be under pressure if the peak that we are forecast to reach is no greater than that envisaged by the plan being proposed by our government?
Are there some "chicken little" forecasts being trotted out here by our health experts/commentators or is the government just cynically hoping to fit the federal election in some time after restrictions ease but before peak hospitalisations grind the system to a halt?

 

[Tiger5150]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

This info is from the UK Govt (they have IMO been fantastic with information) but it seems to be solid information that would be torn down pretty quickly if incorrect.

States 130,000 pregnant women vaccinated in the US with no safety concerns recorded. 52,000 pregnant in the UK with no safety concerns. Also states that pregnant women are more likely to need hospitalisation if they contract COVID. There is no data here though in implications for the baby in utero or breast feeding. There is a call for a new study.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-study-into-covid-19-vaccine-dose-interval-for-pregnant-women

 

[innsaneink]

A brothel in Rydalmere shut down, owner, girls and clients fined... One bloke claiming he's there quoting for a..... hehe...... 'paint job' 🤣

 

[Pascoes_barber]

A brothel in Rydalmere shut down, owner, girls and clients fined... One bloke claiming he's there quoting for a..... hehe...... 'paint job' 🤣

@hobbo1 ?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A brothel in Rydalmere shut down, owner, girls and clients fined... One bloke claiming he's there quoting for a..... hehe...... 'paint job' 🤣

Haha @hobbo1 busted mate.

 

[cochise]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

This info is from the UK Govt (they have IMO been fantastic with information) but it seems to be solid information that would be torn down pretty quickly if incorrect.

States 130,000 pregnant women vaccinated in the US with no safety concerns recorded. 52,000 pregnant in the UK with no safety concerns. Also states that pregnant women are more likely to need hospitalisation if they contract COVID. There is no data here though in implications for the baby in utero or breast feeding. There is a call for a new study.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-study-into-covid-19-vaccine-dose-interval-for-pregnant-women

I know of instances of newborns and mothers both having covid during this outbreak. No studies, just cases I am aware of.

 

[Tiger5150]

nearly everyday I read someone single or ***double vaccinated has died*** in Sydney

Any reports to back this up? I was under the understanding that no one double vaxxed had died?

 

[Pascoes_barber]

nearly everyday I read someone single or ***double vaccinated has died*** in Sydney

Any reports to back this up?

No. It's absolutely misinformation. The rest was inaccurate dribble too.

 

[tigger]

A brothel in Rydalmere shut down, owner, girls and clients fined... One bloke claiming he's there quoting for a..... hehe...... 'paint job' 🤣

I would have thought that they'd be classified as sensual workers!

 

[mike]

A brothel in Rydalmere shut down, owner, girls and clients fined... One bloke claiming he's there quoting for a..... hehe...... 'paint job' ?

I would have thought that they'd be classified as sensual workers!

Esensual workers?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

nearly everyday I read someone single or ***double vaccinated has died*** in Sydney

Any reports to back this up? I was under the understanding that no one double vaxxed had died?

Yes it's been widely reported that deaths have been single dose or unvaccinated.

I have seen zero reports about anyone double dosed dying from COVID.

 

[cochise]

nearly everyday I read someone single or ***double vaccinated has died*** in Sydney

Any reports to back this up? I was under the understanding that no one double vaxxed had died?

I believe we had a double vaccinated man die on the 11th of August. He was in his 90s.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-12/nsw-records-345-covid-19-cases/100370274