Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cultured_Bogan]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I assume that you checked this with your doctor? The reason I ask is a friend of mine recently had very bad clotting issues but her doctor told her that the clotting issue with the AZ is a different type and she isnt at any more increased risk than the rest of the population. She got the AZ (wanted the Pfizer but was told she is too old).

Yes, of course I did. I checked with my cardiologist.

I understand it the same as you in that the mechanism behind the clotting is not the same as blood clots that I can be predisposed to, the wariness comes from the fact at any given time I could have clots floating around in my body due to the sensitivity of Warfarin with food intake and possible clot amalgamation. Given I had had TIA's in the past, am on Warfarin and also have atrial fibrillation, if my INR is not in the right space it can be risky with additional clots forming due to other medications.

That warfarain is bad poo man .....

It's that or a pine box.

Fun fact, coumarin is the active ingredient in Warfarin, and in rat poison.

 

[Tiger5150]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

We will have covid only hospitals shortly

Its insane ...you send people home to infect their entire family ...

There are 20K active cases right now, growing at over 1000 a day. Not sure where or how you could isolate that many people other than at home?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I sincerely hope you were offered alternatives due to your medication.
If not that is a farce.
Australia should have procured small amounts of alternatives right from the very beginning to cater for these situations

Yes, I am having my first Pfizer shot next Monday.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Measures will need to be taken still to stop the hospitals from collapsing. We will have a lot more freedom again once vaccinations are in the targets we need them to be. Yeah we’ll probably still need to wear masks and keep sanitising more than we once did but small price to pay to be able to jump on a plane or have a beer.

Too true.
I don't want to be sick (from any cause, but particularly from one that might kill me) and I don't want to be passing sickness on to others. I feel like it's about taking every opportunity to lower the risk.
I'm really looking forward to lockdowns ending, but when they do I'll be happy to be fully vaccinated (I already am), to have booster shots if necessary, to wear a mask in public places and to sanitise my hands. I don't see these things as curtailing my freedom. Doing these things is just playing the percentages in my favour to stay well and to help keep those around me free from illness. I feel fortunate to have good health advice to steer me away from poor choices.
I really struggle to get my head around the thought processes of people who see those measures as an attack on their freedoms.

Agree with all these points and sincerely hope my posts were not misconstrued as being insensitive . First and foremost people's lives and health are paramount.

I don't think of it as an attack on my freedoms ,initially last year while taking massive financial hits for which I received nothing because I didn't qualify while others got paid to do nothing and other businesses ramped up sales while receiving government support and houses were allowed to appreciate 20% even while businesses where precluded from trading and others from working, and newly single again was looking forward to get out and have a good time and maybe meet someone and rebuild my life. Even so, I was happy to do my bit in the lockdown because ostensibly there was no treatment or vaccine, can't let people go like that.

But now with vaccines and 2 years on my frustration is brewing. My first post on the matter were twisted as being a conspiracy theorist (some conspiracies do exist everywhere) and anti vax while I was was just highlighting my disappointment that sadly things weren't working well enough to allow for a resumption of normal activity and in my case the commencement of my rebuild.
I guess at every level things should have been handled better.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Measures will need to be taken still to stop the hospitals from collapsing. We will have a lot more freedom again once vaccinations are in the targets we need them to be. Yeah we’ll probably still need to wear masks and keep sanitising more than we once did but small price to pay to be able to jump on a plane or have a beer.

Too true.
I don't want to be sick (from any cause, but particularly from one that might kill me) and I don't want to be passing sickness on to others. I feel like it's about taking every opportunity to lower the risk.
I'm really looking forward to lockdowns ending, but when they do I'll be happy to be fully vaccinated (I already am), to have booster shots if necessary, to wear a mask in public places and to sanitise my hands. I don't see these things as curtailing my freedom. Doing these things is just playing the percentages in my favour to stay well and to help keep those around me free from illness. I feel fortunate to have good health advice to steer me away from poor choices.
I really struggle to get my head around the thought processes of people who see those measures as an attack on their freedoms.


Agree with all these points and sincerely hope my posts were not misconstrued as being insensitive . First and foremost people's lives and health are paramount.

I don't think of it as an attack on my freedoms ,initially last year while taking massive financial hits for which I received nothing because I didn't qualify while others got paid to do nothing and other businesses ramped up sales while receiving government support and houses were allowed to appreciate 20% even while businesses where precluded from trading and others from working, and newly single again was looking forward to get out and have a good time and maybe meet someone and rebuild my life. Even so, I was happy to do my bit in the lockdown because ostensibly there was no treatment or vaccine, can't let people go like that.

But now with vaccines and 2 years on my frustration is brewing. My first post on the matter were twisted as being a conspiracy theorist (some conspiracies do exist everywhere) and anti vax while I was was just highlighting my disappointment that sadly things weren't working well enough to allow for a resumption of normal activity and in my case the commencement of my rebuild.
I guess at every level things should have been handled better.

Mate I think you will be hard pressed, aside from shut-ins, people who are enjoying lockdown. You can hate it and be understanding of why it is necessary.

 

[happy_tiger]

@Cultured_Bogan yeah had it for around 6 months after knee surgery for blood clots ...

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Cultured_Bogan yeah had it for around 6 months after knee surgery for blood clots ...

It's good stuff.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

This is a leading epidemiologist who is not from NSW. His advice was quite clear.

Sure and Im not an epidemiologist and dont claim any greater knowledge, just making the point that his clear advice seems to contradict the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England and he referemced the UK. Would love to know what his advice was based on.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

Why don''t you just accept his advice as the expert in his field.

To answer your question directly, I have no idea who he is and it directly contradicts the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England. Much has been made of the expert advice of Dr Robert Malone the "inventor of mRNA delivery technology" but I wont be taking his advice because I have looked at the actual data and made my own risk analysis and decided it is the right decision for me to get vaccinated. I could find you a youtube video of a doctor recommending against vaccinations in minutes. There has been so much wrong and conflicting information provided that because some Doctor on Channel 9 said something Im not going to take that as gospel, particularly when he claims its UK studies but it clearly goes against published advice of the UK Govt.

Ok Ive answered your question, here is a question for you to answer.

Why don''t you just accept the advice of the top UK health body and Govt as clearly spelled out in the link below..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

I am not the one questioning the advice of an esteemed Australian specialist prepared to share his opinion on television.

I find it interesting that you attempt to dismiss him as "some doctor".

I'll treat him with the respect that his position deserves.

 

[Tiger5150]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

This is a leading epidemiologist who is not from NSW. His advice was quite clear.

Sure and Im not an epidemiologist and dont claim any greater knowledge, just making the point that his clear advice seems to contradict the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England and he referemced the UK. Would love to know what his advice was based on.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

Why don''t you just accept his advice as the expert in his field.

To answer your question directly, I have no idea who he is and it directly contradicts the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England. Much has been made of the expert advice of Dr Robert Malone the "inventor of mRNA delivery technology" but I wont be taking his advice because I have looked at the actual data and made my own risk analysis and decided it is the right decision for me to get vaccinated. I could find you a youtube video of a doctor recommending against vaccinations in minutes. There has been so much wrong and conflicting information provided that because some Doctor on Channel 9 said something Im not going to take that as gospel, particularly when he claims its UK studies but it clearly goes against published advice of the UK Govt.

Ok Ive answered your question, here is a question for you to answer.

Why don''t you just accept the advice of the top UK health body and Govt as clearly spelled out in the link below..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

I am not the one questioning the advice of an esteemed Australian specialist prepared to share his opinion on television.

Mate Im not disrespecting him, I have no idea who he is, dont know his name or how "esteemed" he is.

I find it interesting that you attempt to dismiss him as "some doctor".

Exactly who and what he is. I dont even know his name. Why is that interesting?

I'll treat him with the respect that his position deserves.

I have no reason to treat him with anything other than respect. I am however wondering why his "studies from the UK" directly contradict the studies published by the UK Govt and Public Health England.

Dont you wonder why? Isnt it natural to wonder why this would be the case?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

 

[swag_tiger]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

This is a leading epidemiologist who is not from NSW. His advice was quite clear.

Sure and Im not an epidemiologist and dont claim any greater knowledge, just making the point that his clear advice seems to contradict the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England and he referemced the UK. Would love to know what his advice was based on.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

Why don''t you just accept his advice as the expert in his field.

To answer your question directly, I have no idea who he is and it directly contradicts the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England. Much has been made of the expert advice of Dr Robert Malone the "inventor of mRNA delivery technology" but I wont be taking his advice because I have looked at the actual data and made my own risk analysis and decided it is the right decision for me to get vaccinated. I could find you a youtube video of a doctor recommending against vaccinations in minutes. There has been so much wrong and conflicting information provided that because some Doctor on Channel 9 said something Im not going to take that as gospel, particularly when he claims its UK studies but it clearly goes against published advice of the UK Govt.

Ok Ive answered your question, here is a question for you to answer.

Why don''t you just accept the advice of the top UK health body and Govt as clearly spelled out in the link below..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

I am not the one questioning the advice of an esteemed Australian specialist prepared to share his opinion on television.

Mate Im not disrespecting him, I have no idea who he is, dont know his name or how "esteemed" he is.

I find it interesting that you attempt to dismiss him as "some doctor".

Exactly who and what he is. I dont even know his name. Why is that interesting?

I'll treat him with the respect that his position deserves.

I have no reason to treat him with anything other than respect. I am however wondering why his "studies from the UK" directly contradict the studies published by the UK Govt and Public Health England.

Dont you wonder why? Isnt it natural to wonder why this would be the case?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

Maybe it's because we are battling the Delta Variant too.

 

[Tiger5150]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

This is a leading epidemiologist who is not from NSW. His advice was quite clear.

Sure and Im not an epidemiologist and dont claim any greater knowledge, just making the point that his clear advice seems to contradict the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England and he referemced the UK. Would love to know what his advice was based on.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

Why don''t you just accept his advice as the expert in his field.

To answer your question directly, I have no idea who he is and it directly contradicts the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England. Much has been made of the expert advice of Dr Robert Malone the "inventor of mRNA delivery technology" but I wont be taking his advice because I have looked at the actual data and made my own risk analysis and decided it is the right decision for me to get vaccinated. I could find you a youtube video of a doctor recommending against vaccinations in minutes. There has been so much wrong and conflicting information provided that because some Doctor on Channel 9 said something Im not going to take that as gospel, particularly when he claims its UK studies but it clearly goes against published advice of the UK Govt.

Ok Ive answered your question, here is a question for you to answer.

Why don''t you just accept the advice of the top UK health body and Govt as clearly spelled out in the link below..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

I am not the one questioning the advice of an esteemed Australian specialist prepared to share his opinion on television.

Mate Im not disrespecting him, I have no idea who he is, dont know his name or how "esteemed" he is.

I find it interesting that you attempt to dismiss him as "some doctor".

Exactly who and what he is. I dont even know his name. Why is that interesting?

I'll treat him with the respect that his position deserves.

I have no reason to treat him with anything other than respect. I am however wondering why his "studies from the UK" directly contradict the studies published by the UK Govt and Public Health England.

Dont you wonder why? Isnt it natural to wonder why this would be the case?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

Maybe it's because we are battling the Delta Variant too.

Im not understanding you.

The UK Govt published study is based on the Delta Variant. It shows both very effective against hospitalisation but Pfizer is more effective than AZ (not by much), but the Doctor on TV cited "UK Studies" saying the opposite?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

 

[swag_tiger]

There's a new variant brewing in the America's called the Mu Variant. It it taking up 40% of the cases in South America and they have counted 4200 in the United States and Mexico. The virologist are worried it could be immune to any of the vaccine's we have in use atm.

 

[Tiger5150]

There's a new variant brewing in the America's called the Mu Variant. It it taking up 40% of the cases in South America and they have counted 4200 in the United States and Mexico. The virologist are worried it could be immune to any of the vaccine's we have in use atm.

The WHO have a good website identifying the identified variants. Mu has been designated a "Variant of Interest", not a "Variant of Concern" yet.

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

 

[mike]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

The same reason they don’t have dedicated quarantine facilities, lack of foresight.

 

[mike]

Measures will need to be taken still to stop the hospitals from collapsing. We will have a lot more freedom again once vaccinations are in the targets we need them to be. Yeah we’ll probably still need to wear masks and keep sanitising more than we once did but small price to pay to be able to jump on a plane or have a beer.

Too true.
I don't want to be sick (from any cause, but particularly from one that might kill me) and I don't want to be passing sickness on to others. I feel like it's about taking every opportunity to lower the risk.
I'm really looking forward to lockdowns ending, but when they do I'll be happy to be fully vaccinated (I already am), to have booster shots if necessary, to wear a mask in public places and to sanitise my hands. I don't see these things as curtailing my freedom. Doing these things is just playing the percentages in my favour to stay well and to help keep those around me free from illness. I feel fortunate to have good health advice to steer me away from poor choices.
I really struggle to get my head around the thought processes of people who see those measures as an attack on their freedoms.

My hope, which is raised by some of change of heart amongst this forum that apart from being male dominated has reasonable diversity, is that in the not too distant future, covid vaccination will mirror levels of other protection rates in Australia so that we can **live without discrimination on our shores**.

Hope so, but I am not at all confident that will occur.

 

[swag_tiger]

There's a new variant brewing in the America's called the Mu Variant. It it taking up 40% of the cases in South America and they have counted 4200 in the United States and Mexico. The virologist are worried it could be immune to any of the vaccine's we have in use atm.

The WHO have a good website identifying the identified variants. Mu has been designated a "Variant of Interest", not a "Variant of Concern" yet.

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

Doesn't mean people are not worried about what it could do it if spreads to the other continents.

 

[Tiger5150]

There's a new variant brewing in the America's called the Mu Variant. It it taking up 40% of the cases in South America and they have counted 4200 in the United States and Mexico. The virologist are worried it could be immune to any of the vaccine's we have in use atm.

The WHO have a good website identifying the identified variants. Mu has been designated a "Variant of Interest", not a "Variant of Concern" yet.

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

Doesn't mean people are not worried about what it could do it if spreads to the other continents.

Of course, which is exactly why they are interested in it.

 

[mike]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

We will have covid only hospitals shortly

Yes if the cases continue to rise. As you have already stated wards at certain hospitals, are already being transformed into purely Covid wards. Why would you send an otherwise healthy person to one of those hospitals. Westmead is at the epicentre of the outbreaks here in Sydney and is already in emergency management as a result. I’d be avoiding it at all costs for non Covid cases.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I read a comment which resonated especially here in NSW under Gladys. I thought I would include it because it is so true!

Readers of Orwell will understand - Failure is success. Good is bad. Disease is health. Restriction is freedom.

 

[BZN]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I sincerely hope you were offered alternatives due to your medication.
If not that is a farce.
Australia should have procured small amounts of alternatives right from the very beginning to cater for these situations

I've just noticed you have zooooomed ahead in the plus minus ratings recently.
Keep up the good work @magpie_magic

I am concerned with these figures and that you haven't provided a link for this assertion 63 🙂

HUH have you got me confused with another poster ?