Crichton to roosters

[old_man_tiger]

Trying to be balanced here, BalmainBoy.
Let's say that Cronk, Tedesco and Crichton are on a max of 2.5 mil between them under the cap. This would leave 6.9 mil.

Let's say, being generous to the roosters, that Cordner and Kearey are on 1.5 between them

I'll say JWH, Friend and Napa are on 1.2, which for their starting front row id say is also a low estimate

Down to a max 4.2 cap space for 22 players at an average of 190\. 2 more 300 k players and we are down to 180k for the remaining 20.

I'm sorry but even being very fair with these values something is suss. A squad of 30 with only 10-15 players on legitimate first grade money and they have the best team on paper? If they aren't rorting they will miss the 8 because they have 0 depth, and we all know that is a very unlikely scenario.

Looking at who they let go and extra cap value would only be a valid argument if they weren't already in breach of the cap's stated value. Your argument only suggests they aren't cheating by a greater percentage than they already were, which none of us know.

 

[earl]

I don't care what anyone says. I don't think any club can pay 3 players 1 million each and be able to put together a competitive outfit because the other players will all be duds.

It's a scam which was obvious when the Turd left us.

 

[Russell]

On the news tonight (?)
Crichton offered 650k by Souffs, but was offered 1 mill by the Rorters.

I believe it, it is just how the Rorters get it down to $283,000.94 for the Cap book.

What a joke - it is becoming so ridiculous that Grant and Greenberg need to be sacked immediately.

 

[gallagher]

Hopefully he turns out to be a one season wonder.

 

[hobbo]

On the news tonight (?)
Crichton offered 650k by Souffs, but was offered 1 mill by the Rorters.

I believe it, it is just how the Rorters get it down to $283,000.94 for the Cap book.

What a joke - it is becoming so ridiculous that Grant and Greenberg need to be sacked immediately.

It wouldn't suprise me if Greenburg and company were getting their salaries topped up by the Roosters !

We just need to get smarter , but we keep on persevering with hacks like Lawrence and bringing crap like Marshall back into the fold .
Every dollar adds up !

 

[Geo]

hacks…lol...

 

[newtiger]

the backlash will finally get the NRL to do something.

You would hope that it might get the NRL to act.
First of all you would have to get Greenberg's head out of his arse.

 

[851]

People have to remember that this is for 2019, but even so they will have Cronk, Teddy, Crighton and probably Cordner when he renews on 1 million deals in 2019.
That doesn't add up whichever way you cut it, especially when you throw in the rest of the rep players they have, Keary just got upgraded, JWH, Friend, Ferguson, Tupou, Mitchell, Liu, Aubusson, Taukeiaho, Napa and I probably missed a few others.

 

[851]

the backlash will finally get the NRL to do something.

You would hope that it might get the NRL to act.
First of all you would have to get Greenberg's head out of his arse.

That would be quite the extraction, maybe someone like Tommy could rip it out for us. 😛ray:

 

[Balmainbred]

What a joke this game is becoming.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

If there is any justice in this world ….. they are well and truly due for some bad karma.

 

[sheer64]

You are ruining the party….:frowning:

They also re-signed: Ferguson, Tupou, Napa and Matterson

Haha sorry to attempt some rational analysis…

Yes they did re-sign .. but that wouldn't go near the 1.8 million cap increase (maybe 500k on upgrading those players at most?).. the losses and gains seem to cancel out.. leaving the $1.8 cap increase.
Sorry to actually try and apply some quantitative logic but I read some of the stuff here and get frustrated.. always dragging the NRL down Paul Kent style..

The argument about cap increase doesn't wash. I've said this before - everyone gets the cap increase, it's the same increase across all clubs.

But for some reason Roosters appear capable of purchasing $1M players, 3 times no less, whereas no other club can seem to do so. Rabbits were outbid for Crichton and I can understand that, they have some expensive talent like Inglis and Burgess. But they were outbid by a team that already has MORE expensive talent and still somehow finds space.

It washes fine…
Im saying the salaries of the losses is matched by the salary of the gains.. and thats NOT including the $1.8 million..

A lot of teams didn't get the benefit of this increase (bulldogs etc) because of the ratchets in their contracts.

and I missed a few - Dale Copley, Jackson Hastings.
Roosters will have very little quality depth next year as they've traded for the top end of the roster.

Anyway .. no point trying to go against the grain here..

:roll

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Its hard to believe how NRL players these days go from nuffies to superstar pay packets in the space of 12 months…The greed that is in the game is very sad....

if the Roosters win the comp in the next 2 or 3 years it can only be a hollow one within the ranks, surely they can't hold the trophy up and feel like they "won" it...or lay claim to have "earned" it...they "bought" it...Gee, I hate the way the game has changed in the last 10-15 years...but I still follow it and my team... there is no way this competition is a level playing field...

Geez , do you really believe that if we did exactly what the Roosters do , or at least what we think they do , and snaffle a premiership because of it. That we all would line up at the NRL office
And tell them that because of all of us having a terrible hollow feeling ,we want to hand back the Trophy, So we can sleep soundly again.
Hypocrisy is alive and well.
I’d bet not ONE of us would be thinking about hollow feelings, or buying a premiership .

We wouldn’t give a bugger how we did it, as long as we got there you’d be cheering your head off along with the rest of us,
It’s easy for supporters (of any club) to have a holier than thou attitude when they believe that
Another clubs get a better run than their club does
We can whinge all we like, it’ll change nothing, we’ve got to get smarter.

However if I’m wrong and you’d line up to return the Trophy don’t bother being early as you’d probably be the only one in the line :roll

 

[tig_prmz]

Roosters have lost:
Aiden Guerra 200-300k
Connor Watson 150-250k
Shuan Kenny-Dowall 250k-300k
Jayden Nikorima 100-200k
Paul Carter 100k - 200k
Mitchell Pearce 800-900k
Michael Gordon 200k -300k (maybe more?)
Kane Evans 100k
Liam Knights 100k

2 millionish lost?

Gained
Cronk - 800k?
Tedesco - 1 million
ugraded Keary - 200k upgrade?

Increased value 2 millionish?

The salary cap rose also from 7.6 to 9.4 million (1.8 million) - so any players ive missed or upgrades would fit within that..

Easy to say Roosters are rorters.. but I can see how they can fit Chrichton in with the players they've lost

The comments here seem unfounded when you really look at it..

you can't replace 9 players with 3.. you still need a top 30.

 

[happy_tiger]

Hell of a lot of good backrowers in the NRL

Does he currently make the Top 10 on anyone's list based on where he stands currently , not POTENTIAL

He's not a 500 k player yet , yet someone has him getting 1.3 million and people believe it

Taumalolo is a $ 1 Million a season player remember

Cmon wake up and smell the roses , the $$$$'s being spoken about are pure garbage

 

[newtiger]

So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario

Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.

 

[happy_tiger]

So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario

Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.

Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion

 

[newtiger]

So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario

Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.

Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion

This is exactly why the NRL needs to move away from a Salary Cap to a points based system that can't be manipulated by TPA's.

 

[happy_tiger]

So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario

Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.

Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion

This is exactly why the NRL needs to move away from a Salary Cap to a points based system that can't be manipulated by TPA's.

I've been a fan of that idea , but do clubs then miss out on bargain pick ups and in the end will this possibly make the NRL even more lopsided when clubs find a loophole in this

The penalties for salary cap breaches need to be far more harsh to deter it

If clubs have been breaching the cap for 5 seasons , penalize them competition points wise for 5 seasons

Try getting sponsors and TPA's when it is almost impossible to make the 8 for 5 years and see players mass abandon sides when it happens

Real true penalties

Other idea is limit how many TPA's can be offered , two per club for example and they are strictly monitored by ATO ,NRL and AFP

Two players aren't going to win you a comp

 

[WestsBenTigers]

So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario

Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.

Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion

Top 10 edge backrowers (no particular order):
Josh Jackson
Boyd Cordner
Wade Graham
Felise Kaufusi
Gavin Cooper
Ethan Lowe
Tyson Frizell
Matt Gillett
Sam Burgess

Elijah Taylor/Alex Glenn/Angus Crichton/Josh Papalii/Joel Thompson/Tohu Harris/Coen Hess