@underdog said:
Did you slip him the tongue when you gave him the kiss of death? :wink:
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Did you slip him the tongue when you gave him the kiss of death? :wink:
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Pretty sure I'm starting to know what 80's Test cricket was like Geo.
GNR4LIFE
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This has been coming for a long time. The Aussies have been an average side ever since the 06-07 Ashes. They've only won one or two series of significance since. They get smacked, then they bully a weaker team and the smacking they got prior is forgotten. No one will forget this in a hurry though.
Where do you even start? Burns, Vogues and Neville have to go. Ferguson did nothing to show he was a solution. And Lyon was finally exposed for the average spinner he is.
I don't see a quick fix here. I think the Paki's will be a challenge provided they handle the bounce. And the Aussies will find Yasir Shah unplayable. Don't even get me started on how the Indian tour will play out.
Where do you even start? Burns, Vogues and Neville have to go. Ferguson did nothing to show he was a solution. And Lyon was finally exposed for the average spinner he is.
I don't see a quick fix here. I think the Paki's will be a challenge provided they handle the bounce. And the Aussies will find Yasir Shah unplayable. Don't even get me started on how the Indian tour will play out.
@GNR4LIFE said:
Yes you are so right it has been coming for awhile now. We hit rock bottom a few years ago before Lehmann came in and rectified the situation. But now we're going down that same path again.
I really think our Sheffield shield comp is too Micky mouse at present and isn't preparing our batsmen/ bowlers for the challenge of international cricket. Lastly I do believe now the series is dead that the selectors have to go with youth and blood them now.
I think Burns and Voges have to go with maybe a Bancroft and Handscomb. The Marsh brothers should be in the mix also or another allrounder.
@maxxy86 said:
Nevill is worth keeping because IMO he's the best gloveman in Australia. Keepers win the game for you behind the pegs, not in front. Helps when they can bat but they should be a top notch keeper first and foremost.
Cricket Australia have lost their way with identification of red ball talent and the pathways they put them on to prepare them for the Test arena. A large portion of the problem is the stop gap solutions in North, Voges etc and this hard on we've had for all rounders. When your top order is as brittle as ours, you cannot afford to not have a specialist bat filling in at #6.
@Cultured Bogan said:
Hard to identify the talent when there's bugger all First-Class cricket played. Not enough players head over to England to play County Cricket in the winter anymore, preferring the T20 roadshow. Can't say I blame them with the difference in money though.
I also think the scheduling of our domestic season needs fixing. They should start the Summer with the Sheffield Shield so there's enough time for players to prove their form and selectors to pick a team accordingly. Leave the Matador until the end of the season.
@Sabre said:
The English have tightened up import rules in County too though. A lot of competition for visa spots.
supercoach
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Been a lot of talk of getting a couple of scappers into the team like Wade and White, and there is some merit to the argument. We certainly need a few players who are willing to take the flight to SA. The only thing I think people forget what a very good cricket side SA are especially bowling and fielding.
I think maybe it is time to identify 3 youngish players with talent and throw them in at the deep end and give them a few tests to try and crack at test level. Maddison is one who comes to mind and maybe Zampa or Agar. Lets face it Agar is at least going to improve your batting and he could not be less effective than Lyons.
We really miss a player like Gilly who turned the ship around time after time and as much as I like Neville, its time to go back to Wade or find a kid who can handle a bat s well as keep.
Australia is one of the few counties in the world that still can attract a crowd to test cricket but if they keep rolling over test cricket will die very quickly, most Aussies are very fickle and don't like losers
I think maybe it is time to identify 3 youngish players with talent and throw them in at the deep end and give them a few tests to try and crack at test level. Maddison is one who comes to mind and maybe Zampa or Agar. Lets face it Agar is at least going to improve your batting and he could not be less effective than Lyons.
We really miss a player like Gilly who turned the ship around time after time and as much as I like Neville, its time to go back to Wade or find a kid who can handle a bat s well as keep.
Australia is one of the few counties in the world that still can attract a crowd to test cricket but if they keep rolling over test cricket will die very quickly, most Aussies are very fickle and don't like losers
No one is forgetting the Jaapies are a good side, we're woeful though and not even providing a remotely solid challenge. We're throwing wickets away, the Saffas didn't even have to try.
You could bring Wade in as a #9, he'll definitely bat better than Siddle and he bowls quicker than him too.
You could bring Wade in as a #9, he'll definitely bat better than Siddle and he bowls quicker than him too.
supercoach
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Sure our batting is average, but SA's bowling attack even without Steyn and Morkel bowled with so much control and discipline. It was like they had three Glen McGraths but two of them 10ks quicker.
GNR4LIFE
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@Sabre said:
It seemed like a desperate attempt at trying to re-create another Mike Hussey, debuting at a later age and taking the chance by the scruff of the neck. He's not the answer.
Blackpearl
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@maxxy86 said:
Warner should be on things ice also
One century and only three 50's in tests over the past year just isn't good enough
Aussie just don't have a batsmen who can occupy the crease over consecutive sessions
Don't know about any quick fix
It doesn't take long to go from the rooster to the feather duster
happy_tiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
You'll truly understand 80's cricket when Nathan Lyon and Hazelwood bat out the last over of a Test for an undeserved draw and country celebrates and Tooheys do a ad celebrating the over
That is 80's cricket
But just remember , we won the 87 World Cup with an up and coming team , we need to pick some young players and stick with them , picking players in their 30's was bound to work ten years ago because they would have cracked any other world side and been successful
tig_prmz
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the thing about the old australia teams had been the fight with the talent. the middle order especially. at the top, you have smith and warner, but in the middle- voges, marsh, ferguson, nevill- they dont instill fear in the opposition. if i was philander or steyn, i'd know that if i keep bowling at the right place i'll get the wicket.
happy_tiger
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@tig_prmz said:
Not one of our current crop of top 7 batsmen would make any of the super teams that Australia produced from the mid 90's , not even close
And probably having the world's best no 7's in that period has been crucial
Healy ,Gilchrist,Haddin etc has been exceptional so many times
Are we heading towards were the Windies are currently at ??
supercoach
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@Sabre said:
I know where your coming from and I agree, but he has talent and just maybe he might work out, got to be better than going back to guys who are closer 40 than 30
happy_tiger
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@Sabre said:
He will fit in perfectly then Sabre
