Culture Change (Lol)

[Geo]

Under no circumstances should Farah or Marshall be resigned …signing 35 year olds is an indication that this club is in dire straights for gods sake move on !

Money for nothing..?

 

[Harvey]

Under no circumstances should Farah or Marshall be resigned …signing 35 year olds is an indication that this club is in dire straights for gods sake move on !

Money for nothing..?

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing & expecting the same result. Give these blokes a lap of honour and a seniors card, they are done.

 

[happy_tiger]

Noffa lead us out being his 100th. Why not just give the role to him, who cares. He’s one of the few who really show passion for the jersey anyway.

But Ivan’s still not sure who his best 17 is yet !

Most of his best 17 are at other clubs Hobbo :smiley:

 

[stevied]

I agree with someone else's comment that this is a predictable and boring thread, full of angry wishful thinkers venting their spleen when their team disappoints them. As others have pointed out, Cleary has done a great job with the defence and the team now competes in virtually every game. However, we just don't have the game breakers in the squad to overcome a poor performance. The class teams find ways to win when they don't play well and we are not able to do that. I wasn't at all surprised that the Tigers lost last night. **We were always going to suffer a psychological let down** and the Bulldogs were always going to be tough to beat. The club, as a whole, are moving forward well and that's all we can ask for this season with our limited squad.

With all due respect.. That's garbage and making excuses.

Stop excusing mediocrity… It's not good enough and it's certainly not a culture we are looking to foster

With all due respect, I'm entitled to my opinion Ink and, further, I don't think it's garbage. The main point I was making is that every time we suffer a loss we get the doomsayers and axe wielders coming out cutting down the team and castigating the coach. Overall, our club has made great progress since about April last year and, while I don't welcome mediocrity, there are bound to be bumps along the journey towards the overall goal of having a regular semi final team. In order to be a regular semi final team, we need to change the culture and build the strength of the squad. Both of those factors require time and patience. And before people say that they've been patient for long enough, I'd suggest that team coaching and management hasn't been in better hands for some time and we, finally, we have the solid foundations needed to succeed.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I don’t think Cleary is a dud. Far from it

I don’t think so either, but we are underachieving atm.

Agreed - I just posted about recruitment in the culture thread. In fact I’ve been banging on about it for a while. Fringe first graders and past their prime champs just don’t cut it. That’s where our problem are

All well and good Steve. The question is, who could Ivan have bought for 2018, that are good, that want to come here and that he didn't play massive overs for?

It is going to be a similar situation for 2019 if you have a look at the players on the market with the above restrictions.

2020 will be a different situation with heaps of good players in positions we need becoming available.

For next year Cleary will have to grab what he can to improve on 2018\. From reading on this Forum over the last eighteen months nobody wants to pay overs - yet disappointed people are saying he should have thrown heaps at this player or that player. They are also the ones jumping up and down that we payed overs (I don't believe we did) for Reynolds, packer etc.

I am sure Cleary and the Tigers have a plan, they are sticking to it and it will come to fruition but not overnight.

I’m definitely not bagging Cleary and agree we have a lan. What I’m saying is, despite our intentions, we are unable to recruit good players in their prime. The coaches son doesn’t count but if he does come, maybe that will entice others

 

[larrycorowa]

I don’t think Cleary is a dud. Far from it

I don’t think so either, but we are underachieving atm.

Agreed - I just posted about recruitment in the culture thread. In fact I’ve been banging on about it for a while. Fringe first graders and past their prime champs just don’t cut it. That’s where our problem are

All well and good Steve. The question is, who could Ivan have bought for 2018, that are good, that want to come here and that he didn't play massive overs for?

It is going to be a similar situation for 2019 if you have a look at the players on the market with the above restrictions.

2020 will be a different situation with heaps of good players in positions we need becoming available.

For next year Cleary will have to grab what he can to improve on 2018\. From reading on this Forum over the last eighteen months nobody wants to pay overs - yet disappointed people are saying he should have thrown heaps at this player or that player. They are also the ones jumping up and down that we payed overs (I don't believe we did) for Reynolds, packer etc.

I am sure Cleary and the Tigers have a plan, they are sticking to it and it will come to fruition but not overnight.

Correct. No one was going to come in 2018 without us paying massive overs. I want a team that is going to compete year in year out, there are no quick fixes….

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I wonder why JT got bashed from pillar to post for failing miserably for not fixing the defence when it was his number one goal, yet Cleary gets a free pass for not changing the culture when that’s his main goal. Double standards.

Ohh please get over your defense of JT

You cant see rhyme nor reason on anything when you are fixated on him.

Double standards champ

You are the most yo yo supporter on here, it’s bewildering. You’ve been all over the success the last two weeks and we lose a game and your world comes crashing down again. To be honest your not a genuine supporter, and if there were more like you (thank god there isn’t) we wouldn’t even have a fan base.

Back to your favourite topic of JT lol. The JT you were still defending after nearly 3 years in charge. If you can’t see how much this team has changed then your delusional. So quick and ready to throw Ivan under a bus any chance you get just so you can continue your JT obsession. It’s sickening, I feel sorry for you.

:laughing:
Nice overhead smash TP!

 

[TIGERPOWER]

I agree with someone else's comment that this is a predictable and boring thread, full of angry wishful thinkers venting their spleen when their team disappoints them. As others have pointed out, Cleary has done a great job with the defence and the team now competes in virtually every game. However, we just don't have the game breakers in the squad to overcome a poor performance. The class teams find ways to win when they don't play well and we are not able to do that. I wasn't at all surprised that the Tigers lost last night. **We were always going to suffer a psychological let down** and the Bulldogs were always going to be tough to beat. The club, as a whole, are moving forward well and that's all we can ask for this season with our limited squad.

With all due respect.. That's garbage and making excuses.

Stop excusing mediocrity… It's not good enough and it's certainly not a culture we are looking to foster

With all due respect, I'm entitled to my opinion Ink and, further, I don't think it's garbage. The main point I was making is that every time we suffer a loss we get the doomsayers and axe wielders coming out cutting down the team and castigating the coach. Overall, our club has made great progress since about April last year and, while I don't welcome mediocrity, there are bound to be bumps along the journey towards the overall goal of having a regular semi final team. In order to be a regular semi final team, we need to change the culture and build the strength of the squad. Both of those factors require time and patience. And before people say that they've been patient for long enough, I'd suggest that team coaching and management hasn't been in better hands for some time and we, finally, we have the solid foundations needed to succeed.

Well said. We have been in every game this year bar the Canberra game. Our head office is in order, coach is solid, members at an all time high. Bigger and better things to come. Last night was disappointing but I’m not going to forget our amazing performances against dragons and Rabbitohs. Rather than thinking this time is under performing I think we should be seeing them as a average team who play out of their skin more often than not.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Seeing as how this is the nucleus of our squad for the next 2 or 3 years, I guess we shouldn’t expect too much in that time frame . Got the excuses ready to go.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Seeing as how this is the nucleus of our squad for the next 2 or 3 years, I guess we shouldn’t expect too much in that time frame . Got the excuses ready to go.

It’s year one of a new team. We have new players in major positions. We are able to recruit and add players in the next few seasons and our current players will develop and grow aswell.

You can keep denying it but injuries have killed us this year. Our best forward Lawrence did not play yesterday. Our marque buy Reynolds is out for the season. The team we have we need luck with injuries and refs and we didn’t get either this year. I’m happy with the progress this year. Doesn’t mean I don’t want further progress for next year. It doesn’t I mean I give up on the team and the coach. Get a grip.

 

[will1999]

Seeing as how this is the nucleus of our squad for the next 2 or 3 years, I guess we shouldn’t expect too much in that time frame . Got the excuses ready to go.

It’s year one of a new team. We have new players in major positions. We are able to recruit and add players in the next few seasons and our current players will develop and grow aswell.

You can keep denying it but injuries have killed us this year. Our best forward Lawrence did not play yesterday. Our marque buy Reynolds is out for the season. The team we have we need luck with injuries and refs and we didn’t get either this year. I’m happy with the progress this year. Doesn’t mean I don’t want further progress for next year. It doesn’t I mean I give up on the team and the coach. Get a grip.

yep had Taylor, Liddle and Farah at hooker and Lolahea, Thompson and Mbye at Fullback

 

[Chunk]

You're talking out your backside if you can't see a marked improvement in performance & attitude this year.

And there is no reason why it won't continue.

Culture change….yes. There are many clubs & supporters out there who would give their left one so Cleary could be their coach.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You're talking out your backside if you can't see a marked improvement in performance & attitude this year.

And there is no reason why it won't continue.

Culture change….yes. There are many clubs & supporters out there who would give their left one so Cleary could be their coach.

Defence has improved immensely, but the attack has gone backwards. We haven’t improved, haven’t gotten worse. Just gone sideways.

 

[colmcd]

To me it's petrol in the tank. Come that last 20 minutes and were gone.

It seems clear to me that if we vs half a forward pack were gone. Against Souths and Dragons we put the effort in, against Canberra and Titans we just can't handle their big men.
The dogs game though, cmon guys you should have been able to win that.

Strength and conditioning is where our problem is. I would be looking at Michael McGuire or someone similar to train our guys harder. Our defensive structures have helped a lot with Ivan but we can't win if we can't muscle.

 

[tigerap]

His biggest test will be recruiting quality for next year. Recruitment for this year was ok considering the mess we were in but another round of just ok signings won't be enough.
9 game contracts aren't the answer either.

Yes so much this ^^^ We need at least 2 game breaking forwards and 1 big, tall, fast wing/centre to be competitive next season. Otherwise just get ready for more of the same folks!

But the issue is no one wants to really come here….only players looking for a start......fact

 

[Russell]

To me it's petrol in the tank. Come that last 20 minutes and were gone.

It seems clear to me that if we vs half a forward pack were gone. Against Souths and Dragons we put the effort in, against Canberra and Titans we just can't handle their big men.
The dogs game though, cmon guys you should have been able to win that.

Strength and conditioning is where our problem is. I would be looking at Michael McGuire or someone similar to train our guys harder. Our defensive structures have helped a lot with Ivan but we can't win if we can't muscle.

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[Tigergoo]

:deadhorse:

You're talking out your backside if you can't see a marked improvement in performance & attitude this year.

And there is no reason why it won't continue.

Culture change….yes. There are many clubs & supporters out there who would give their left one so Cleary could be their coach.

:deadhorse:

You're talking out your backside if you can't see a marked improvement in performance & attitude this year.

And there is no reason why it won't continue.

Culture change….yes. There are many clubs & supporters out there who would give their left one so Cleary could be their coach.

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Seeing as how this is the nucleus of our squad for the next 2 or 3 years, I guess we shouldn’t expect too much in that time frame . Got the excuses ready to go.

It’s year one of a new team. We have new players in major positions. We are able to recruit and add players in the next few seasons and our current players will develop and grow aswell.

You can keep denying it but injuries have killed us this year. Our best forward Lawrence did not play yesterday. Our marque buy Reynolds is out for the season. The team we have we need luck with injuries and refs and we didn’t get either this year. I’m happy with the progress this year. Doesn’t mean I don’t want further progress for next year. It doesn’t I mean I give up on the team and the coach. Get a grip.

T

 

[bbobb]

I think the culture is ok actually but its the talent and depth that are the problem, they cannot maintain the levels. We have played really well for the past two weeks then put in a shocker this weekend. I kind of expect this from our team. They're not a good team - yet. Good teams are consistent and a bad game is actually not that far removed from a good game.

We are a bit of two steps forward and one step back at the moment but I am confident with a decent run with injuries, plus a few key signings (Centre, backrower and Prop), we will be right. I at least think we're on the right path.

 

[Tigergoo]

You can put whatever new age spin on it you want - culture change, moving fwd, adapting,evolving. This club has progressed diddly squat. Instead of jagging the odd win against teams below us on the ladder we are now beating some of the better teams and losing games to lower placed teams which is totally unacceptable if your talking about a team improving it’s so called culture. There is simply no excuse for not beating the Dogs considering the quality of opposition we have just taken care of over the past 2 weeks. Forum members rave of the new defensive mindset we have but can someone explain how that’s progress if we now can only score 4 points against spoon faves. Culture change, too funny

 

[newtiger]

Yep I’m still on Ivan’s side…...for now....

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