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@nelson said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519538) said:
@clontarfkid said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519527) said:
Packer and Reynolds(SOO 2014) were well on the slide by the time we got them....faciliatted by a desperate situation when the big 3 departed.
we paid full ask.Got little out of any of em
Tamou cldnt make the 2020 run on team at the Panthers...but we paid a modest sum accordingly hoping hed bring some much needed leadership.
He didnt
He wont make the run on WTs side this yr if Musgrave is fir
Mbye was a myth that promised a lot but delivered little,that we simply got stuck with...and Joffa wasnt far behind tbh.He was never SOO level without his surname,and his last couple of years at Broncos were flaky.Just lazy.Like Joey
WTs lacked foresight not hindsight,and an ability to resist name players that are on the slide or overpriced ,altho circumstances limited our options
Im hoping Hastings,Papalli and Api will start a new era.Rite age,and top tier players.Need more of em ...fast!

Packer was coming off his best ever season and was killing it for the Kiwis when we got him - he was not on the slide at all until he started with us. Tamou started for the Panthers in the grand final in 2020 (and most of the season) . We're a bad enough team with a bad enough history without inventing false details.

Well...theres no agenda..and nobody has "invented"anything...!Its all in the eyes and subjective judgement of the observer,and I have no monopoly on the "facts".
Thought Packers best yr was the one b4 his last year at Dragons,and if Tamou was that relevant he wld have been retained by Panthers..I thought his last yr at Penrith he was their 3rd best prop at best.They had lots to choose from btw.But nothing changed when he came to WTs..including 3rd best prop at best
The conjecture really doesnt matter...all those senior recruits were all high priced failures at WT for any variety of reasons,and my point is getting really good performers like the kid from Eels and Api and Hastings in their prime is what the better teams do more often than we do...we just need more of them and less of the yesteryears
 
@odessa said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519545) said:
@nelson said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519538) said:
@clontarfkid said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519527) said:
Packer and Reynolds(SOO 2014) were well on the slide by the time we got them....faciliatted by a desperate situation when the big 3 departed.
we paid full ask.Got little out of any of em
Tamou cldnt make the 2020 run on team at the Panthers...but we paid a modest sum accordingly hoping hed bring some much needed leadership.
He didnt
He wont make the run on WTs side this yr if Musgrave is fir
Mbye was a myth that promised a lot but delivered little,that we simply got stuck with...and Joffa wasnt far behind tbh.He was never SOO level without his surname,and his last couple of years at Broncos were flaky.Just lazy.Like Joey
WTs lacked foresight not hindsight,and an ability to resist name players that are on the slide or overpriced ,altho circumstances limited our options
Im hoping Hastings,Papalli and Api will start a new era.Rite age,and top tier players.Need more of em ...fast!

Packer was coming off his best ever season and was killing it for the Kiwis when we got him - he was not on the slide at all until he started with us. Tamou started for the Panthers in the grand final in 2020 (and most of the season) . We're a bad enough team with a bad enough history without inventing false details.

The problem is many good hands make the work lighter but if you have only say 5 good players in the team they get burnout fast or just give up ....

The Tigers need to buy some solid workmen to plug the holes and then go big on a star

Go get 3 or 4 workmen that perform each week not overly flash but solid like a Cory Thomson

Even at his best Packer was not worth what we paid for him. He got his retirement deal with us and it mirrored his performance.
 
@mighty-mouse said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519542) said:
Can't see anything incorrect about that article. Fancy having **Kepaoa and Gildart starting in the centres, what an absolute disaster...**

Sorry, you know this how?
 
@tigerwest said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519554) said:
@mighty-mouse said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519542) said:
Can't see anything incorrect about that article. Fancy having **Kepaoa and Gildart starting in the centres, what an absolute disaster...**

Sorry, you know this how?

By looking at the squad? There’s not a lot to choose from.
 
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.
 
@gnr4life said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519555) said:
@tigerwest said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519554) said:
@mighty-mouse said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519542) said:
Can't see anything incorrect about that article. Fancy having **Kepaoa and Gildart starting in the centres, what an absolute disaster...**

Sorry, you know this how?

By looking at the squad? There’s not a lot to choose from.

Yep that's right - can't be certain of course but little additional cavalry to choose from.
 
@eternal-tiger said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519540) said:
Even if we are only paying Tamou 350k a year, he played like a 150k player. It's not only the recruitment that has sucked, it's the poor culture and environment. Are we certain this has been rectified?

The post said 350 over 2 Years...
175k a year

I can't argue with giving him a spot at that.
 
Been reading a long time without posting. I have posted in the past so I'm not new. When Ivan made all those signings I remembered a joy amongst most posters. Felt like we were turning a corner and then, bomb blast!!!!! Ivan showed his true skin and things turned to shit. Everyone changed their tune including me.Things are changing in my thoughts I can feel it. US Wests Tigers fans need to grow some and just except what happens year in year out is just rugby league. When we get it right we will cause a massive stir and it's coming.
 
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519561) said:
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

What is your problem?
Who's blaming Madge and why even turn the discussion into that? Madge vs The Team.
No offence (to them) but our rosters have been  poor NRL quality sides for a while (with marquee signings such as Mbye and Reynolds), in which we've had to use several players over recent years who clearly aren't/haven't been up for top grade. We've no leaders with a mish mash of experience and highly unstable overall. But let's keep being critical of them for that too.
There's a lot wrong with the team but the one thing they don't deserve to be knocked for is the club's role in degrading and humiliating them with poor roster management for years. Or what the club has stupidly paid people. Which is what our current team is in direct result of.
My comments were specifically a personal hope of mine and funnily enough I don't wish to dwell on any past failures. The season's over and despite another year of heartbreak, I find I can honestly look at them and say we haven't got the cattle for a finals worthy team.
I do see alot of persistence with our team though and can't wait until the day their hard work pays off.

Weren't you the one actually telling people to go and support another team - on another thread - when someone gave a negative prediction about the team for 2022?

I think he may have been responding to my comment. Thanks for putting a more positive spin on what I'd said though. I think Blore is the most likely to show some development. Like Seyfarth, you could see the talent but I think the game was fast for him last season.
 
I hope Zane has a big year no injuries and starts with Stefano upfront two big men get a roll on and hope for the best
 
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

here here,
 
@odessa said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519572) said:
I hope Zane has a big year no injuries and starts with Stefano upfront two big men get a roll on and hope for the best

Zane needs 2 step up
 
@merlot said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519575) said:
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

here here,

Or hear, hear.
 
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

Your comment is true to an extent but if you have never know anything but people waiting after you from a young age and had money given to you and lots of it how do you know how to act
Until after your career is over I think that's why alot of football players go broke they don't truly appreciate or understand the money they are getting does not come easy


Now if an office worker was getting 400K totally different response to a football player
 
What’s the Buzz: Wests Tigers ‘sign up’ war hero for NRL season 2022
Under fire Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has turned to what he believes will be a secret weapon in season 2021.

James Phelps
3 min read
January 2, 2022 - 1:51PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
NRL: The NRL is expected to ramp up their COVID-19 protocols in response to the latest spike in cases.
Michael Maguire has invited Curtis McGrath into Wests Tigers’ inner sanctum after being inspired by the Paralympic champ’s story.

The Tigers coach recruited McGrath to become his secret weapon this season after hearing the former soldier talk about the horror of losing both his legs in an IED blast and the glory of becoming a world champion less than a year later.

“We talk a lot about overcoming adversity in rugby league,” Maguire said. “And I don’t think I have ever met anyone who has overcome more challenges than Curtis. It is not just what he has done but how he has gone about it.”

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Curtis McGrath, Blood, Sweat and Steel.
Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire. Picture: Toby Zerna
Maguire – who has studied military tactics and taken his teams to Australian military bases for gruelling SAS-style pre-season camps – is hoping to tap into the steely mindset that has seen McGrath conquer every challenge he has faced since losing both his legs.

Also the New Zealand coach, Maguire is hoping to bring the Kiwi-born McGrath into his Test team camp this year.

Maguire spent about 30 minutes chatting to McGrath after meeting him at the launch of the soldier-turned-Paralympian’s book Blood, Sweat and Steel.

Kiwi roasted
For all-round nice guys it’s tough to beat McGrath, but even his mates couldn’t help having a cheeky crack at his Kiwi ancestry as he was being airlifted out from Afghanistan.

The triple Paralympic gold medallist was serving in the Australian Army in Afghanistan in 2012 when he stepped on an improvised explosive device and lost his right leg above the knee and left leg below the knee.

It’s well known that Curtis, fighting shock, blood loss and excruciating pain, vowed then and there that when he recovered, he would represent his country at the Paralympic Games.

Curtis McGrath lost both legs when he stepped on a landmine in Afghanistan.
But the 33-year-old revealed recently that as he was being stretchered to be airlifted out, his mates couldn’t resist having a dig at him.

Curtis, who grew up in Queenstown before his family moved to Australia, said he couldn’t help but smile through the pain when one of the stretcher bearers told him he had an immediate decision to make.

Because if he was going to be a Paralympian and he chose to represent New Zealand over Australia, he could bloody well walk himself to the chopper. Gotta love a good sense of humour.

Club split: Team A v Team B
NRL players could be estranged from their own teammates this year with at least one club considering splitting their playing group into two and keeping them in separate Covid bubbles.

In an unprecedented move that would allow them to field a team should a player contract or Covid or become a close contact, the Sydney based team is planning on training a “Team A” and a “Team B” in an isolation so strict that each squad will have their own coaching staff.

Under the radical plan that could be adopted by all NRL clubs, the top 17 would train in isolation from the remainder of the squad so that a Covid case would not send the entire football department into a forced 10 day isolation.

“It may be the only solution to keep the game going,” said a top-ranking official from the club considering the move.

“As it is at the moment, one close contact would mean we would have to stand everyone down for two matches. Having a back-up team ready to go is the only way I think we could field a team.”

As an example, see how the Bulldogs would split their squad below.
The plan would require the NRL to allow the club to add at least four players to their full time squad of 30.

“Having 34 would mean you could have two squads of 17,” the official said.

“But obviously that would not be enough to cover for injuries.”

The Sunday Telegraph has learned that the RLPA has already been approached about the plan.

Clubs are concerned about the cost of adding back-up players to their squad given that all full-time players will have to be paid the NRL minimum wage under current rules
 
@clontarfkid said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519552) said:
@nelson said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519538) said:
@clontarfkid said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519527) said:
Packer and Reynolds(SOO 2014) were well on the slide by the time we got them....faciliatted by a desperate situation when the big 3 departed.
we paid full ask.Got little out of any of em
Tamou cldnt make the 2020 run on team at the Panthers...but we paid a modest sum accordingly hoping hed bring some much needed leadership.
He didnt
He wont make the run on WTs side this yr if Musgrave is fir
Mbye was a myth that promised a lot but delivered little,that we simply got stuck with...and Joffa wasnt far behind tbh.He was never SOO level without his surname,and his last couple of years at Broncos were flaky.Just lazy.Like Joey
WTs lacked foresight not hindsight,and an ability to resist name players that are on the slide or overpriced ,altho circumstances limited our options
Im hoping Hastings,Papalli and Api will start a new era.Rite age,and top tier players.Need more of em ...fast!

Packer was coming off his best ever season and was killing it for the Kiwis when we got him - he was not on the slide at all until he started with us. Tamou started for the Panthers in the grand final in 2020 (and most of the season) . We're a bad enough team with a bad enough history without inventing false details.

Well...theres no agenda..and nobody has "invented"anything...!Its all in the eyes and subjective judgement of the observer,and I have no monopoly on the "facts".
Thought Packers best yr was the one b4 his last year at Dragons,and if Tamou was that relevant he wld have been retained by Panthers..I thought his last yr at Penrith he was their 3rd best prop at best.They had lots to choose from btw.But nothing changed when he came to WTs..including 3rd best prop at best
**The conjecture really doesnt matter...all those senior recruits were all high priced failures at WT for any variety of reasons,** and my point is getting really good performers like the kid from Eels and Api and Hastings in their prime is what the better teams do more often than we do...we just need more of them and less of the yesteryears

Theres a common denominator here
 
@thedaboss said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519588) said:
What’s the Buzz: Wests Tigers ‘sign up’ war hero for NRL season 2022
Under fire Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has turned to what he believes will be a secret weapon in season 2021.

James Phelps
3 min read
January 2, 2022 - 1:51PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
NRL: The NRL is expected to ramp up their COVID-19 protocols in response to the latest spike in cases.
Michael Maguire has invited Curtis McGrath into Wests Tigers’ inner sanctum after being inspired by the Paralympic champ’s story.

The Tigers coach recruited McGrath to become his secret weapon this season after hearing the former soldier talk about the horror of losing both his legs in an IED blast and the glory of becoming a world champion less than a year later.

“We talk a lot about overcoming adversity in rugby league,” Maguire said. “And I don’t think I have ever met anyone who has overcome more challenges than Curtis. It is not just what he has done but how he has gone about it.”

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Curtis McGrath, Blood, Sweat and Steel.
Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire. Picture: Toby Zerna
Maguire – who has studied military tactics and taken his teams to Australian military bases for gruelling SAS-style pre-season camps – is hoping to tap into the steely mindset that has seen McGrath conquer every challenge he has faced since losing both his legs.

Also the New Zealand coach, Maguire is hoping to bring the Kiwi-born McGrath into his Test team camp this year.

Maguire spent about 30 minutes chatting to McGrath after meeting him at the launch of the soldier-turned-Paralympian’s book Blood, Sweat and Steel.

Kiwi roasted
For all-round nice guys it’s tough to beat McGrath, but even his mates couldn’t help having a cheeky crack at his Kiwi ancestry as he was being airlifted out from Afghanistan.

The triple Paralympic gold medallist was serving in the Australian Army in Afghanistan in 2012 when he stepped on an improvised explosive device and lost his right leg above the knee and left leg below the knee.

It’s well known that Curtis, fighting shock, blood loss and excruciating pain, vowed then and there that when he recovered, he would represent his country at the Paralympic Games.

Curtis McGrath lost both legs when he stepped on a landmine in Afghanistan.
But the 33-year-old revealed recently that as he was being stretchered to be airlifted out, his mates couldn’t resist having a dig at him.

Curtis, who grew up in Queenstown before his family moved to Australia, said he couldn’t help but smile through the pain when one of the stretcher bearers told him he had an immediate decision to make.

Because if he was going to be a Paralympian and he chose to represent New Zealand over Australia, he could bloody well walk himself to the chopper. Gotta love a good sense of humour.

Club split: Team A v Team B
NRL players could be estranged from their own teammates this year with at least one club considering splitting their playing group into two and keeping them in separate Covid bubbles.

In an unprecedented move that would allow them to field a team should a player contract or Covid or become a close contact, the Sydney based team is planning on training a “Team A” and a “Team B” in an isolation so strict that each squad will have their own coaching staff.

Under the radical plan that could be adopted by all NRL clubs, the top 17 would train in isolation from the remainder of the squad so that a Covid case would not send the entire football department into a forced 10 day isolation.

“It may be the only solution to keep the game going,” said a top-ranking official from the club considering the move.

“As it is at the moment, one close contact would mean we would have to stand everyone down for two matches. Having a back-up team ready to go is the only way I think we could field a team.”

As an example, see how the Bulldogs would split their squad below.
The plan would require the NRL to allow the club to add at least four players to their full time squad of 30.

“Having 34 would mean you could have two squads of 17,” the official said.

“But obviously that would not be enough to cover for injuries.”

The Sunday Telegraph has learned that the RLPA has already been approached about the plan.

Clubs are concerned about the cost of adding back-up players to their squad given that all full-time players will have to be paid the NRL minimum wage under current rules

Thanks mate,

Covid rules need to change for the nrl. Would not work as it currently stands.
 
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