David Nofoaluma #164

@rihannafan1 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294403) said:
The guy is a beast, comparable to the best wingers in the comp. He starts on any team. Dunno what nuffies on here are thinking.

The defense angle is such a non-starter. Defense is a team issue. He's a winger, his job is to finish off backline moves and for us, take dirty runs off our line. When was the last time people genuinely gave a hoot about a winger's defense? BJ's defense last season was noticeably worse than Nofo's.

Yeah he's on money but it's not crippling and better spent on upgrading him than yet another 20% upside development player.

Wow, what a sheltered life you must live,especially were people quote actual stats clearly showing where the deficiencies are and are labelled nuffies for stating those facts.
Let's start by stating, no one mates Nofo, everyone wants him to have a better year each year, he is hit with all the fans, some of us realise that it's not gridiron and he can't be replaced when we are defending and want him to improve on
the problem areas of his game, for the good of the team.
Okay get ready to call people names again champ because here are some more facts, Nofo is ranked 27th in tackles made by wingers and 10 th in the numbers of missed tackles by wingers. Tackle effectiveness compared to other wingers are as follows:
H Farnswoth 87%
C Oates 88%
J O'Niell 65%
J Rapana 72%
B Morris 82%
J Mansour 80 %
B Ferguson 64%
K Felt 63%
R Smith 80%
JAC 79%
M Montoya 89%
J Arthar's 84%
P Herbert 84%
B Toro 84%
Nofo 55% (you should get the picture by now)

Defence is 50% of the game, by not giving it the respect it deserves shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. By labelling people who have a different opinion to yours especially when backed up by facts, nuffies, shows the problems that have dogged this club for years and why it took the club so long to get rid of Robbie and especially Benji. Time to grow up and grow with the club. WEST TIGERS IN 2021
 
Sorry lads, I got a bit long winded and I apologize for that unreservedly, I just got a bit ticked off, when a respected forum member puts up some decent substantiated info and gets called a nuffie for his troubles.
 
@tbones10 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294539) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294403) said:
The guy is a beast, comparable to the best wingers in the comp. He starts on any team. Dunno what nuffies on here are thinking.

The defense angle is such a non-starter. Defense is a team issue. He's a winger, his job is to finish off backline moves and for us, take dirty runs off our line. When was the last time people genuinely gave a hoot about a winger's defense? BJ's defense last season was noticeably worse than Nofo's.

Yeah he's on money but it's not crippling and better spent on upgrading him than yet another 20% upside development player.

Wow, what a sheltered life you must live,especially were people quote actual stats clearly showing where the deficiencies are and are labelled nuffies for stating those facts.
Let's start by stating, no one mates Nofo, everyone wants him to have a better year each year, he is hit with all the fans, some of us realise that it's not gridiron and he can't be replaced when we are defending and want him to improve on
the problem areas of his game, for the good of the team.
Okay get ready to call people names again champ because here are some more facts, Nofo is ranked 27th in tackles made by wingers and 10 th in the numbers of missed tackles by wingers. Tackle effectiveness compared to other wingers are as follows:
H Farnswoth 87%
C Oates 88%
J O'Niell 65%
J Rapana 72%
B Morris 82%
J Mansour 80 %
B Ferguson 64%
K Felt 63%
R Smith 80%
JAC 79%
M Montoya 89%
J Arthar's 84%
P Herbert 84%
B Toro 84%
Nofo 55% (you should get the picture by now)

Defence is 50% of the game, by not giving it the respect it deserves shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. By labelling people who have a different opinion to yours especially when backed up by facts, nuffies, shows the problems that have dogged this club for years and why it took the club so long to get rid of Robbie and especially Benji. Time to grow up and grow with the club. WEST TIGERS IN 2021

Defence needs to be priority number 1 this year . We just arnt going to win games off trick plays and no look passes . We need to grind teams , control possessions , jump off the line and most of all commit to the 80 minutes . If we can do that we will be well placed come the end of august . The way the team has recruited is about big athletic bodies who don’t mind using them. This needs to be the new standard . Nofa just needs to trust his inside man . But I don’t mind Nofas aggressive defence , especially on the try line , as most of the time he’s caught 2-1,or worse odds , so going for the intercept is better than taking the L. It doesn’t look good on the stats sheet though .
 
@herb-gardener said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294195) said:
@leichhardttiger said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294181) said:
@herb-gardener said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294177) said:
if we had 2 or 3 better players he most likely doesnt get it?

Sorry, but what is your logic for saying this? You can only ever play two wingers at a time. He happened to be the most prolific Tigers Winger since Tuiaki. His Def was crap but have a look at his kick returns and the freakish tries he scored as well as set up. Seriously, OPSM should offer a free checkup on this site.

I could be wrong? and I hope you'll correct me if I am? Nofa was awarded points based on receiving a 321 system of all players in the game during Tigers matches.
Players who receive Dally M Medal points automatically receive 3, 2, 1 for the Dally M Team of the Year in their respective positions (i.e. Hooker, Fullback, Winger, etc).
My point is that say, JAC didnt get as many points because although he may have played a great game, his game wasnt as good as others in his team. And as such if we had say, match winning halves and Fullback , Nofa would not have scored as highly.
I make the point , not to belittle Nofa's effort on the park, but simply to minimise the use of the award as a final judgement of a players skill.
I'm happy to go to OPSM for a check up if you re-sit your kindy maths test LOL.

Pretty sure the points are only for the dally m player of the year award, the positional awards are just chosen by someone or a group of people, not sure who. Kotoni Staggs was centre of the year and only got like 3 points all season
 
@jc99 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294566) said:
@herb-gardener said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294195) said:
@leichhardttiger said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294181) said:
@herb-gardener said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294177) said:
if we had 2 or 3 better players he most likely doesnt get it?

Sorry, but what is your logic for saying this? You can only ever play two wingers at a time. He happened to be the most prolific Tigers Winger since Tuiaki. His Def was crap but have a look at his kick returns and the freakish tries he scored as well as set up. Seriously, OPSM should offer a free checkup on this site.

I could be wrong? and I hope you'll correct me if I am? Nofa was awarded points based on receiving a 321 system of all players in the game during Tigers matches.
Players who receive Dally M Medal points automatically receive 3, 2, 1 for the Dally M Team of the Year in their respective positions (i.e. Hooker, Fullback, Winger, etc).
My point is that say, JAC didnt get as many points because although he may have played a great game, his game wasnt as good as others in his team. And as such if we had say, match winning halves and Fullback , Nofa would not have scored as highly.
I make the point , not to belittle Nofa's effort on the park, but simply to minimise the use of the award as a final judgement of a players skill.
I'm happy to go to OPSM for a check up if you re-sit your kindy maths test LOL.

Pretty sure the points are only for the dally m player of the year award, the positional awards are just chosen by someone or a group of people, not sure who. Kotoni Staggs was centre of the year and only got like 3 points all season

Herb's right JC ...must have been a bad year for centres then or many might have got suspended .....
 
@happy_tiger said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294578) said:
@jc99 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294566) said:
@herb-gardener said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294195) said:
@leichhardttiger said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294181) said:
@herb-gardener said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294177) said:
if we had 2 or 3 better players he most likely doesnt get it?

Sorry, but what is your logic for saying this? You can only ever play two wingers at a time. He happened to be the most prolific Tigers Winger since Tuiaki. His Def was crap but have a look at his kick returns and the freakish tries he scored as well as set up. Seriously, OPSM should offer a free checkup on this site.

I could be wrong? and I hope you'll correct me if I am? Nofa was awarded points based on receiving a 321 system of all players in the game during Tigers matches.
Players who receive Dally M Medal points automatically receive 3, 2, 1 for the Dally M Team of the Year in their respective positions (i.e. Hooker, Fullback, Winger, etc).
My point is that say, JAC didnt get as many points because although he may have played a great game, his game wasnt as good as others in his team. And as such if we had say, match winning halves and Fullback , Nofa would not have scored as highly.
I make the point , not to belittle Nofa's effort on the park, but simply to minimise the use of the award as a final judgement of a players skill.
I'm happy to go to OPSM for a check up if you re-sit your kindy maths test LOL.

Pretty sure the points are only for the dally m player of the year award, the positional awards are just chosen by someone or a group of people, not sure who. Kotoni Staggs was centre of the year and only got like 3 points all season

Herb's right JC ...must have been a bad year for centres then or many might have got suspended .....

Seems that way I guess. Nofa himself only
Got 6 points
 
@strongee said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294557) said:
@tbones10 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294539) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294403) said:
The guy is a beast, comparable to the best wingers in the comp. He starts on any team. Dunno what nuffies on here are thinking.

The defense angle is such a non-starter. Defense is a team issue. He's a winger, his job is to finish off backline moves and for us, take dirty runs off our line. When was the last time people genuinely gave a hoot about a winger's defense? BJ's defense last season was noticeably worse than Nofo's.

Yeah he's on money but it's not crippling and better spent on upgrading him than yet another 20% upside development player.

Wow, what a sheltered life you must live,especially were people quote actual stats clearly showing where the deficiencies are and are labelled nuffies for stating those facts.
Let's start by stating, no one mates Nofo, everyone wants him to have a better year each year, he is hit with all the fans, some of us realise that it's not gridiron and he can't be replaced when we are defending and want him to improve on
the problem areas of his game, for the good of the team.
Okay get ready to call people names again champ because here are some more facts, Nofo is ranked 27th in tackles made by wingers and 10 th in the numbers of missed tackles by wingers. Tackle effectiveness compared to other wingers are as follows:
H Farnswoth 87%
C Oates 88%
J O'Niell 65%
J Rapana 72%
B Morris 82%
J Mansour 80 %
B Ferguson 64%
K Felt 63%
R Smith 80%
JAC 79%
M Montoya 89%
J Arthar's 84%
P Herbert 84%
B Toro 84%
Nofo 55% (you should get the picture by now)

Defence is 50% of the game, by not giving it the respect it deserves shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. By labelling people who have a different opinion to yours especially when backed up by facts, nuffies, shows the problems that have dogged this club for years and why it took the club so long to get rid of Robbie and especially Benji. Time to grow up and grow with the club. WEST TIGERS IN 2021

Defence needs to be priority number 1 this year . We just arnt going to win games off trick plays and no look passes . We need to grind teams , control possessions , jump off the line and most of all commit to the 80 minutes . If we can do that we will be well placed come the end of august . The way the team has recruited is about big athletic bodies who don’t mind using them. This needs to be the new standard . Nofa just needs to trust his inside man . But I don’t mind Nofas aggressive defence , especially on the try line , as most of the time he’s caught 2-1,or worse odds , so going for the intercept is better than taking the L. It doesn’t look good on the stats sheet though .

100% agree with you about defence being critical this year, which also comes back to how we value the ball and turn it over to the other side in better positions on the field. Hopefully Nof doesn’t have as many 2 on 3’s or 2 on 2’s if we aren’t gifting the opposition good field position all the time. Not saying his defence is great but it’s a team game and I’ve always felt bad for our edge players having to make way too many defensive decisions in games. Hold the ball, kick to a corner and receive the ball back in good field position, hopefully that’s what Madge is preaching this off season.
 
@tbones10 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294539) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294403) said:
The guy is a beast, comparable to the best wingers in the comp. He starts on any team. Dunno what nuffies on here are thinking.

The defense angle is such a non-starter. Defense is a team issue. He's a winger, his job is to finish off backline moves and for us, take dirty runs off our line. When was the last time people genuinely gave a hoot about a winger's defense? BJ's defense last season was noticeably worse than Nofo's.

Yeah he's on money but it's not crippling and better spent on upgrading him than yet another 20% upside development player.

Wow, what a sheltered life you must live,especially were people quote actual stats clearly showing where the deficiencies are and are labelled nuffies for stating those facts.
Let's start by stating, no one mates Nofo, everyone wants him to have a better year each year, he is hit with all the fans, some of us realise that it's not gridiron and he can't be replaced when we are defending and want him to improve on
the problem areas of his game, for the good of the team.
Okay get ready to call people names again champ because here are some more facts, Nofo is ranked 27th in tackles made by wingers and 10 th in the numbers of missed tackles by wingers. Tackle effectiveness compared to other wingers are as follows:
H Farnswoth 87%
C Oates 88%
J O'Niell 65%
J Rapana 72%
B Morris 82%
J Mansour 80 %
B Ferguson 64%
K Felt 63%
R Smith 80%
JAC 79%
M Montoya 89%
J Arthar's 84%
P Herbert 84%
B Toro 84%
Nofo 55% (you should get the picture by now)

Defence is 50% of the game, by not giving it the respect it deserves shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. By labelling people who have a different opinion to yours especially when backed up by facts, nuffies, shows the problems that have dogged this club for years and why it took the club so long to get rid of Robbie and especially Benji. Time to grow up and grow with the club. WEST TIGERS IN 2021

Wow! Statistics! With a percentage sign and all. They aren't the be all and end all. Farnsworth's team got lapped every week. Guess it wasn't his fault though, look at those tackling stats. :face_with_rolling_eyes:

I'll be direct with the nuffy comment next time. It was not directed at those presenting stats so settle down.
 
@rihannafan1 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294728) said:
@tbones10 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294539) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294403) said:
The guy is a beast, comparable to the best wingers in the comp. He starts on any team. Dunno what nuffies on here are thinking.

The defense angle is such a non-starter. Defense is a team issue. He's a winger, his job is to finish off backline moves and for us, take dirty runs off our line. When was the last time people genuinely gave a hoot about a winger's defense? BJ's defense last season was noticeably worse than Nofo's.

Yeah he's on money but it's not crippling and better spent on upgrading him than yet another 20% upside development player.

Wow, what a sheltered life you must live,especially were people quote actual stats clearly showing where the deficiencies are and are labelled nuffies for stating those facts.
Let's start by stating, no one mates Nofo, everyone wants him to have a better year each year, he is hit with all the fans, some of us realise that it's not gridiron and he can't be replaced when we are defending and want him to improve on
the problem areas of his game, for the good of the team.
Okay get ready to call people names again champ because here are some more facts, Nofo is ranked 27th in tackles made by wingers and 10 th in the numbers of missed tackles by wingers. Tackle effectiveness compared to other wingers are as follows:
H Farnswoth 87%
C Oates 88%
J O'Niell 65%
J Rapana 72%
B Morris 82%
J Mansour 80 %
B Ferguson 64%
K Felt 63%
R Smith 80%
JAC 79%
M Montoya 89%
J Arthar's 84%
P Herbert 84%
B Toro 84%
Nofo 55% (you should get the picture by now)

Defence is 50% of the game, by not giving it the respect it deserves shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. By labelling people who have a different opinion to yours especially when backed up by facts, nuffies, shows the problems that have dogged this club for years and why it took the club so long to get rid of Robbie and especially Benji. Time to grow up and grow with the club. WEST TIGERS IN 2021

Wow! Statistics! With a percentage sign and all. They aren't the be all and end all. Farnsworth's team got lapped every week. Guess it wasn't his fault though, look at those tackling stats. :face_with_rolling_eyes:

I'll be direct with the nuffy comment next time. It was not directed at those presenting stats so settle down.

Brisbane’s wingers top two. Probably a good sign of how much a wingers defence impacts on results.
 
@telltails said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294735) said:
I'd say the Brisbane wingers did well because most points scored against their team were up the middle.

That’s true, and also because middle players are asked to make upwards of 40-50 tackles sometimes. For wingers it’s usually 5 max.
 
@telltails said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294735) said:
I'd say the Brisbane wingers did well because most points scored against their team were up the middle.

That’s why Context is King. Stats without it is how you end up with players like Robert Jennings on your roster.
 
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294743) said:
@telltails said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294735) said:
I'd say the Brisbane wingers did well because most points scored against their team were up the middle.

That’s why Context is King. Stats without it is how you end up with players like Robert Jennings on your roster.

Certainly in this case. Corey Oates had a very poor year- imo - and shouldn't feature at the top of any stats sheets based on positive performance.
 
If Noffa wasn't our best player last year, how many players were in better form and who were they? If there are some, not many. He was definitely one of our best, not to mention his passion (the new Robbie like figure on the field) and heart, and expressions on his face. So glad we resigned him.
 
@telltails said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294735) said:
I'd say the Brisbane wingers did well because most points scored against their team were up the middle.

Your on fire today TT
 
@happy_tiger said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294817) said:
@telltails said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294735) said:
I'd say the Brisbane wingers did well because most points scored against their team were up the middle.

Your on fire today TT

Thanks Happ - on holidays and feeling relaxed.
 
@happy_tiger said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294817) said:
@telltails said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294735) said:
I'd say the Brisbane wingers did well because most points scored against their team were up the middle.

Your on fire today TT

You're.not..
 
@geo said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294819) said:
@happy_tiger said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294817) said:
@telltails said in [David Nofoaluma re\-signs until 2025\.\.](/post/1294735) said:
I'd say the Brisbane wingers did well because most points scored against their team were up the middle.

Your on fire today TT

You're.not..

I'm a burning hunka hunka lava of love every day uh huh lol
 
Probably not quite what the club had wanted, but I guess that is what happens with negotiations, a bit of give and a bit of take at times.
 

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