David Nofoaluma #164

[TigerWest]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

We can at $450k

Isn't that around his current contract / offer?

 

[sleeve]

Perception,blah, blah, would not enter the minds of the recruitment staff at WT. Its about value for money and balance.Get the right side and the noise goes away.

 

[diedpretty]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Apparently thats not what he is asking - that is a figure that was thrown up by the DT. Another poster has suggested that he is asking for 685k.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I dont know the exect numbers, we cant be ridiculous anymore.

My oppinion is based on branding.

Paying him $600k would be ridiculous. We’re making smart signings at the moment and appear to be heading in the right direction. We also seem to have some young players coming through that are promising. We’re not desperate like we were a few years ago.

Absolutely. I am sure the Club will make one offer and that is it. It is probably why Ayoub has the articles in print because the Club is not playing his game.

 

[TigerWest]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.


Apparently thats not what he is asking - that is a figure that was thrown up by the DT. Another poster has suggested that he is asking for 685k.

Isn't that more than we are offered JAC? Tell him he's dreaming.

 

[diedpretty]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.


Its not inflated if another club offers him that amount

It is if they overpaid, for example anyone that thinks Aloiai is worth $600k+ has a very inflated value of his worth.


If someone pays him $600K he is worth $600K......to them. THats how markets work.

IMO he is not worth that much to the Tigers.

To be honest. The more clubs that pay that overs is only better for us in the long run.

As long as it’s not us

The idea is you want to be paying as many players as possible less than their market value as that is how you build a competitive squad, going out and reaching and paying over market value, but you in a position that it is difficult to have a balanced squad and this is our problem for the last 4 years.

There are metrics to use to determine a players value and I think we are finally in a position where we will place a value on a player and stick to that value.

Unfortunately under the current climate we have managers stroking players egos and telling them they are worth far more than their true value. Nathan Brown ( the coach ) summed it up when he said the trick was to get a player at 300k but get 400k value out of him on the field. He also said the way things are at the moment thats almost impossible to do.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.


Its not inflated if another club offers him that amount

It is if they overpaid, for example anyone that thinks Aloiai is worth $600k+ has a very inflated value of his worth.


If someone pays him $600K he is worth $600K......to them. THats how markets work.

IMO he is not worth that much to the Tigers.

To be honest. The more clubs that pay that overs is only better for us in the long run.

As long as it’s not us

The idea is you want to be paying as many players as possible less than their market value as that is how you build a competitive squad, going out and reaching and paying over market value, but you in a position that it is difficult to have a balanced squad and this is our problem for the last 4 years.

There are metrics to use to determine a players value and I think we are finally in a position where we will place a value on a player and stick to that value.


Unfortunately under the current climate we have managers stroking players egos and telling them they are worth far more than their true value. Nathan Brown ( the coach ) summed it up when he said the trick was to get a player at 300k but get 400k value out of him on the field. He also said the way things are at the moment thats almost impossible to do.

And he paid AFB a fortune to go to the Warriors!

 

[tigeress]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

But if the best of our troops keep leaving how are we ever to become that club that (they) or any player would want to come to- so to that end Noffa says he loves the club and I'm sure he does , well can't he stick with the club he loves to help us achieve the goal that any NRL player wishes to achieve-FINALS FOOTY:frowning:

 

[cochise]

I am confident that we will retain Noffa especially considering we have the veteran allowance to play with. As for Brooks’ satisfying the allowance, the way I read it he has to have played 8 years of NRL as well as being a junior at the club.

That is not correct

The Veteran Allowance as was given in an earlier post is as follows:

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game.

My interpretation is that in order to receive the $200k for a player who has been developed by the club, the player has to have been in your top 30 for 8 years, or 10 yrs across the game. If this is not correct then the alternate is that a club gets $200k for every player developed by the club prior to playing NRL???
How do you read it?

The developed by the club is seperate to the veteran player. If you the section below from what you posted above it says either and or which means they are independent of each other.

"either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game"

The $200k is actually the total the club can claim no matter how many players qualify. So Nofa doesn't have $200k of his contract wiped from the salary cap and we don't lose it if he leaves as it can be claimed on other players.

 

[cochise]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

But if the best of our troops keep leaving how are we ever to become that club that (they) or any player would want to come to- so to that end Noffa says he loves the club and I'm sure he does , well can't he stick with the club he loves to help us achieve the goal that any NRL player wishes to achieve-FINALS FOOTY:frowning:

The aim of good salary cap management is to be paying as many players below their market value as possible.

 

[tiger_one]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

But if the best of our troops keep leaving how are we ever to become that club that (they) or any player would want to come to- so to that end Noffa says he loves the club and I'm sure he does , well can't he stick with the club he loves to help us achieve the goal that any NRL player wishes to achieve-FINALS FOOTY:frowning:

The aim of good salary cap management is to be paying as many players below their market value as possible.

And this is what's already happening at the so-called big clubs.

 

[cochise]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

But if the best of our troops keep leaving how are we ever to become that club that (they) or any player would want to come to- so to that end Noffa says he loves the club and I'm sure he does , well can't he stick with the club he loves to help us achieve the goal that any NRL player wishes to achieve-FINALS FOOTY:frowning:

The aim of good salary cap management is to be paying as many players below their market value as possible.


And this is what's already happening at the so-called big clubs.

Correct and its what we are aiming to rectify, at the moment our cap is so out of balance that we struggle to field a competitive squad.

 

[TigerWest]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

But if the best of our troops keep leaving how are we ever to become that club that (they) or any player would want to come to- so to that end Noffa says he loves the club and I'm sure he does , well can't he stick with the club he loves to help us achieve the goal that any NRL player wishes to achieve-FINALS FOOTY:frowning:

The aim of good salary cap management is to be paying as many players below their market value as possible.


And this is what's already happening at the so-called big clubs.

Agree, Kevin Walters said it in an article the other day.

If we had this in place when Cleary was here we wouldn’t be in the salary cap mess we are in now?
It seems Cleary hasn’t learnt with some of the signings he had made this off season, so I suspect they don’t use the model most clubs are now using?

 

[happy_tiger]

@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

But if the best of our troops keep leaving how are we ever to become that club that (they) or any player would want to come to- so to that end Noffa says he loves the club and I'm sure he does , well can't he stick with the club he loves to help us achieve the goal that any NRL player wishes to achieve-FINALS FOOTY:frowning:

The aim of good salary cap management is to be paying as many players below their market value as possible.

And then handing over very large paper bags filled with cash at the 19th hole while celebrating another Top 4 finish

 

[Tigercrb]

I am confident that we will retain Noffa especially considering we have the veteran allowance to play with. As for Brooks’ satisfying the allowance, the way I read it he has to have played 8 years of NRL as well as being a junior at the club.

That is not correct

The Veteran Allowance as was given in an earlier post is as follows:

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game.

My interpretation is that in order to receive the $200k for a player who has been developed by the club, the player has to have been in your top 30 for 8 years, or 10 yrs across the game. If this is not correct then the alternate is that a club gets $200k for every player developed by the club prior to playing NRL???
How do you read it?

The developed by the club is seperate to the veteran player. If you the section below from what you posted above it says either and or which means they are independent of each other.

"either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game"

The $200k is actually the total the club can claim no matter how many players qualify. So Nofa doesn't have $200k of his contract wiped from the salary cap and we don't lose it if he leaves as it can be claimed on other players.

Sounds about right.

I think I heard earlier in the year that with Lawrence moving on, his allowance would go towards Brooks and Noffa moving forward.

I think this allowance is why Lawrence was given the extra 1 year contract when it looked like he was not going to be offered a contract.
He was essentially exempt from our cap last year.

Whilst I think this allowance is very low, this Noffa situation is perfect for its use.

Essentially if we split it between he and Brooks, we should be able to match a 550-600k max offer and only cost 450-500k of the cap.

 

[Spartan117]

I dont know the exect numbers, we cant be ridiculous anymore.
My oppinion is based on branding.

That type of branding will be forgotten once on field success is achieved. On field success is the only thing we should be concentrating on in this regard.

That success has alluded is for all but 3 years or our 20 to date.

At present we have a PR / perception problem - no one wants to come here.

We love the tigers and were are die hards (Who else is on an NRL club forum before 8am in the off season). We are not an accurate measurement of how the club is perceived out there in real world land.

We cant pay overs anymore but we cant let our better players leave for a modest upgrade.

 

[Swordy]

I am confident that we will retain Noffa especially considering we have the veteran allowance to play with. As for Brooks’ satisfying the allowance, the way I read it he has to have played 8 years of NRL as well as being a junior at the club.

That is not correct

The Veteran Allowance as was given in an earlier post is as follows:

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game.

My interpretation is that in order to receive the $200k for a player who has been developed by the club, the player has to have been in your top 30 for 8 years, or 10 yrs across the game. If this is not correct then the alternate is that a club gets $200k for every player developed by the club prior to playing NRL???
How do you read it?

The developed by the club is seperate to the veteran player. If you the section below from what you posted above it says either and or which means they are independent of each other.

"either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game"

The $200k is actually the total the club can claim no matter how many players qualify. So Nofa doesn't have $200k of his contract wiped from the salary cap and we don't lose it if he leaves as it can be claimed on other players.

Sounds about right.

I think I heard earlier in the year that with Lawrence moving on, his allowance would go towards Brooks and Noffa moving forward.

I think this allowance is why Lawrence was given the extra 1 year contract when it looked like he was not going to be offered a contract.
He was essentially exempt from our cap last year.

Whilst I think this allowance is very low, this Noffa situation is perfect for its use.

Essentially if we split it between he and Brooks, we should be able to match a 550-600k max offer and only cost 450-500k of the cap.

I might be wrong, but I remember somewhere that the veteran player allowance essenetially just comes off the general cap, not a specific players contract/price. Means the same in the end I guess, but I don't think you can say it was used to pay Lawrence, and now we can offer Nofo $250K on top of our offer of 450K to keep him. Doesn't work like that.

Happy to be corrected....

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Perception,blah, blah, would not enter the minds of the recruitment staff at WT. Its about value for money and balance.Get the right side and the noise goes away.

Luciano Leilua, Adam Doueihi and Shawn Blore are good example of good recruitment and the calibre of recruit we should be targeting. There is room for significant improvement in all three. Blore's cameo against Brown provided positive exposure to the WTs and the opportunities available at the club for young players. Nofoaluma goes, hey there is another opportunity for a brash youngster similar to Blore.

 

[TigerWest]

I dont know the exect numbers, we cant be ridiculous anymore.
My oppinion is based on branding.

That type of branding will be forgotten once on field success is achieved. On field success is the only thing we should be concentrating on in this regard.

That success has alluded is for all but 3 years or our 20 to date.

At present we have a PR / perception problem - no one wants to come here.

We love the tigers and were are die hards (Who else is on an NRL club forum before 8am in the off season). We are not an accurate measurement of how the club is perceived out there in real world land.

We cant pay overs anymore but we cant let our better players leave for a modest upgrade.

I just don’t see your argument about no one wanting to come here, when we have signed a GF captain, a SOO player and some of the best young kids available.

We still have 3 more to get yet.

If you are referring to JAC well we still don’t know, but it does look like he used us to secure a position with Souths, to be with his mates. Interestingly one of the brotherhood has come over and with our partnership with Awabakal who knows what may happen now.

 

[cochise]

I am confident that we will retain Noffa especially considering we have the veteran allowance to play with. As for Brooks’ satisfying the allowance, the way I read it he has to have played 8 years of NRL as well as being a junior at the club.

That is not correct

The Veteran Allowance as was given in an earlier post is as follows:

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game.

My interpretation is that in order to receive the $200k for a player who has been developed by the club, the player has to have been in your top 30 for 8 years, or 10 yrs across the game. If this is not correct then the alternate is that a club gets $200k for every player developed by the club prior to playing NRL???
How do you read it?

The developed by the club is seperate to the veteran player. If you the section below from what you posted above it says either and or which means they are independent of each other.

"either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game"

The $200k is actually the total the club can claim no matter how many players qualify. So Nofa doesn't have $200k of his contract wiped from the salary cap and we don't lose it if he leaves as it can be claimed on other players.

Sounds about right.

I think I heard earlier in the year that with Lawrence moving on, his allowance would go towards Brooks and Noffa moving forward.

I think this allowance is why Lawrence was given the extra 1 year contract when it looked like he was not going to be offered a contract.
He was essentially exempt from our cap last year.

Whilst I think this allowance is very low, this Noffa situation is perfect for its use.

Essentially if we split it between he and Brooks, we should be able to match a 550-600k max offer and only cost 450-500k of the cap.

I might be wrong, but I remember somewhere that the veteran player allowance essenetially just comes off the general cap, not a specific players contract/price. Means the same in the end I guess, but I don't think you can say it was used to pay Lawrence, and now we can offer Nofo $250K on top of our offer of 450K to keep him. Doesn't work like that.

Happy to be corrected....

That is correct under my understanding.